Epic Games Fined €1.1 Million in Netherlands Court for Misleading Underage Children

[KaitouX]

Please define Democracy.

You call what we have in Canada a democracy? That is laughable at best. Dictatorship/Communism is a better term. Canada's current government is as corrupt and perverted as it gets. Smoke and Mirrors is all the average citizen gets. And no, our current federal government doesnt consist of citizens. It consists of corrupt and perverted cronies from top to bottom. Scandal after scandal.

So yes, lots of smoke and mirrors here.

Saying Canada is communist, or dictatorship, and saying it's "as corrupted and perverted as it gets", really shows how privileged you are, and also how you don't understand the meaning of the words you're using.

 

[kapone32]

Please define Democracy.

You call what we have in Canada a democracy? That is laughable at best. Dictatorship/Communism is a better term. Canada's current government is as corrupt and perverted as it gets. Smoke and Mirrors is all the average citizen gets. And no, our current federal government doesnt consist of citizens. It consists of corrupt and perverted cronies from top to bottom. Scandal after scandal.

So yes, lots of smoke and mirrors here.

While I can appreciate your rant. Let's think about this. When it is time to vote you get a card in the mail. The voting location is usually within walking distance of voting stations. You do not go to jail for not paying your taxes. You can bash the government without someone coming to get you in your sleep. You are free to have Chickens. The issue is places like Alberta and Saskatchewan where the Govt(s) are heavily influenced by the Right wing echo chamber from the States. The biggest issue we have in Canada is the price of housing.

I know that people like to raq on the current Govt. but it was the Govt of Harper that opened the Canadian Housing market to the world. That is why there are encampments in cities like Edmonton and Winnipeg today. The feds have even tried to put money into housing and some of those people refused it like what it happening is better even where I live the hubris of our Premier had him refuse it like the lives of people are no better than political points.

 

[Vayra86]

Please define Democracy.

You call what we have in Canada a democracy? That is laughable at best. Dictatorship/Communism is a better term. Canada's current government is as corrupt and perverted as it gets. Smoke and Mirrors is all the average citizen gets. And no, our current federal government doesnt consist of citizens. It consists of corrupt and perverted cronies from top to bottom. Scandal after scandal.

So yes, lots of smoke and mirrors here.

If you disconnect from Democracy, you will get autocracy.

GL with that.

Its an illusion that any system is perfect. Democracy isn't perfect. It requires work. Continuously. Freedom takes effort. If you don't like your democracy, look in the mirror. We have ourselves and only ourselves to blame for the corruption of it. Our own self-centric view on the world is the primary cause we stopped thinking about the collective which is inherent to any society. This happens in all democracies as people get their security, and their welfare, its also much more agreeable to just hide and not partake in society a whole lot - nothing's forcing you to.

Comfort is a bad thing, in that sense. So apparently, for people to get how good they have it, they need to first experience how bad it can get. Well, the trajectory is currently towards extremely bad, so you'll get your lesson soon enough.

 

[Random_User]

Nah. This is a precedent. Keep going and those millions will keep getting added. Its a slap on the wrist. The hammer is eventually happening.

The EU drew the line. Look at GDPR. It wont go away. Companies either get in line or GTFO.

Nuke em all I say. This is why we have the EU. Go go go

I'm sorry, nothing personal. Although, this seems to be great in theory. Unfortunately, this also seems like a wishful thinking.
Because the corporations are in bed with any government for so long, that I doub't any court decision/fine happens without prior "consulting" with company leadership/lawyers, about how much fine wouldn't be uncomfortable for them to pay.

None of the fines in the recent years were serious, and felt like a joke. Like Vya Domus have said, this all is a facade, an illusion of rights defence and legislation. Heck, the EU income is simply reliant on some sort of penalties and fining of giant multi-national corporations.

I'm sure, those fat old incompetent EU deputies, lawyers and legislators wouldn't exist without some kind of trickery behind the curtains. And this corruption is the reason why all this shit is still continues till this very day. Otherwise, it would have been ended long time ago, as it would be too expensive for compaties to neglect the law.

 

[Vayra86]

None of the fines in the recent years were serious, and felt like a joke. Like Vya Domus have said, this all is a facade, an illusion of rights defence and legislation. Heck, the EU income is simply reliant on some sort of penalties and fining of giant multi-national corporations.

You're not making sense. All I read here is emotion not logic; your first line up here is diametrically opposed to the last one. The EU income is immense, and doesn't float on fines.

I'm sure, those fat old incompetent EU deputies, lawyers and legislators wouldn't exist without some kind of trickery

News flash. Almost nothing that happens in this world works properly without trickery.

Consider commerce and its marketing. We're being fed lies everywhere, its the norm.
Again: the world is imperfect, humans are imperfect, and survival of the fittest is still a thing. It won't get better, getting by is a pretty good place to be.

 

[Random_User]

The biggest problem with these MTX fines, as they still being fines. They law isn't being enforced to the point, the game companies stop this habbit outright. And not only for children. The adult can be missled in the same way. The psychology and mentality of moder people, are hardly different from children's.
The ugly part, that there's not a word about how ammoral this idea is, to scam people in general. Like you cannot scam kids, but the "pockets" that ensure these transactions in the first place- is all fine.

If you disconnect from Democracy, you will get autocracy.

GL with that.

Its an illusion that any system is perfect. Democracy isn't perfect. It requires work. Continuously. Freedom takes effort. If you don't like your democracy, look in the mirror. We have ourselves and only ourselves to blame for the corruption of it. Our own self-centric view on the world is the primary cause we stopped thinking about the collective which is inherent to any society. This happens in all democracies as people get their security, and their welfare, its also much more agreeable to just hide and not partake in society a whole lot - nothing's forcing you to.

Comfort is a bad thing, in that sense. So apparently, for people to get how good they have it, they need to first experience how bad it can get. Well, the trajectory is currently towards extremely bad, so you'll get your lesson soon enough.

Unfortunately, there are dozens of autocratic regimes, that being hailed and favored by so called "democratic" and most "developed" countries, which are also the wealthiest. They just use these regimes while they are profitable. And when the shit hits the fan, these "democratic" leaders, just show the pikachu face, and play a role of "innocent" and naЇve, like the were unaware of all the horror, these authocraties were doing for years.

You're not making sense. All I read here is emotion not logic. The EU income is immense, and doesn't float on fines.


News flash. Almost nothing that happens in this world works properly without trickery.

Consider commerce and its marketing. We're being fed lies everywhere, its the norm.
Again: the world is imperfect, humans are imperfect, and survival of the fittest is still a thing. It won't get better, getting by is a pretty good place to be.

The "visible" part of the fines are not enough to hurt the company, for their malicious behaviour. But still is enought for legislating individuals, to stop the pursuit. No one knows where the fines money go to. And there's nothing stops the company pay EU officials, in behind the scenes.

A bit an offtop example the VAG dieselgate. No way the EU and US white collars didn't knew about what's going on.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Gacha games, ranging from genshin impact all the way down to Fifa UT (well, now EAFC UT), they are absolutely predatory and manipulative.

Fifa specially panders to children, hell I'm pretty sure they are responsible for all the jokes of kids stealing their parent's credit cards.

I agree. Hahah I confess I spent $120 on the Arlecchino banner myself, God bless the almighty American Express Company and thy holy bank account

I enjoy Genshin a ton, but unfortunately the whole gacha crap really is designed around the applying maximum fomo and to induce overspending. I only did what I did becausd at almost 3000 hours of gameplay I think it was relatively fair enough.

 

[Macro Device]

This reminded me of speeding fines and couriers who still speed because they increase their revenue by a greater degree than they're paying their fines.

However, the penalty calibre isn't as problematic as the fact the penalty might never happen. Unless big corps learn that they cannot get away with that, we're in for a corrupt treat. Worldwide, Somalia included.

The law shouldn't be hardcore, the law should be impossible to escape. We in Russia have dreadly fines, prison sentences etc for misdemeanours you'd never consider that bad. The crime rate, however, doesn't fall because a lot of criminals can avoid being penalised: either by suboptimal detective work, or by bribes, or by attorneys' speeches, or simply because a beat cop decided, "freak it, I don't care."

 

[TheDeeGee]

That amount of money is like buying an icecream for them.

 

[kapone32]

That amount of money is like buying an icecream for them.

It probably takes less than 10 minutes to make that on their platforms.

 

[Dave65]

I must be living in an alternate universe. WHY all the hate on EPIC?
I am genuinely asking.. Don't STEAM do the same?