AMD to Discontinue Windows 10 Support for its Ryzen 9000 "Strix Point" Mobile Processors

[Dr. Dro]

That sounds way over the top, your avg internet "illiterate" person can get infected just as easily on win11(or linux/mac) as they can on win7 not to mention they generally don't run good(paid?) security software anyway.

Probably the biggest issue is with the pace of change, I know I've seen more change in my lifetime over the last 10 years than the 15-20 before that. The change is even more jarring for old(er) people & yes going to touch UI based elements is a major part of it.

Corporations should start catering towards the less tech inclined than pushing teen centric diarrhea like Tiktok on everyone else!

Can we truly call people who run these configurations, such as unpatched and stripped, often custom versions of old releases of Windows just because they have a perceived belief that it makes their computer faster truly computer literate? Security software... idk, apparently Defender's got a great reputation of keeping up with almost any paid AV. I haven't used antiviruses in ages, I have Defender forcibly disabled as well... so no comment there.

Catering to the less tech inclined it's what they've been doing for the past ~25 years. The trap was sprung and we walked right into it. I think we can all agree that the perfect blend between beauty and workflow on a desktop was achieved with Windows 7... but what are the chances of Microsoft taking that cue?

 

[R0H1T]

such as unpatched and stripped, often custom versions of old releases of Windows just because they have a perceived belief that it makes their computer faster truly computer literate?

Well I'd argue there's also a bit of an element of luck involved. I've used everything from TPB, usenet et al. With or without AV & from memory never been infected, of course not using an AV helps because you won't know what'd hit you

In my experience the ones on such old/unpatched systems generally have someone else install their OS & rely on them for more technical advice. And I wouldn't blame my grandparents if they couldn't do that on their own, if they were alive today. Blame the stupid "support" for that!

Catering to the less tech inclined it's what they've been doing for the past ~25 years

How so?

I think we can all agree that the perfect blend between beauty and workflow on a desktop was achieved with Windows 7

I wasn't a particular fan of 7 when it launched, although part of it was down to the PC I had at the time. I much preferred the custom themes of XP & arguably so many less "prompts" to deal with!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well I'd argue there's also a bit of an element of luck involved. I've used everything from TPB, usenet et al. With or without AV & from memory never been infected, of course not using an AV helps because you won't know what'd hit you

In my experience the ones on such old/unpatched systems generally have someone else install their OS & rely on them for more technical advice. And I wouldn't blame my grandparents if they couldn't do that on their own, if they were alive today. Blame the stupid "support" for that!

How so?

I wasn't a particular fan of 7 when it launched, although part of it was down to the PC I had at the time. I much preferred the custom themes of XP & arguably so many less "prompts" to deal with!

Truly different times... we were all users of those services eh

And I mean, you don't need a colorful, "AI equipped" OS to get your work done, you need something concise that takes as little clicks as possible to find and get what you need, nowadays it's almost as if they expect me to ask ChatGPT to execute a command on my PC

 

[Wirko]

no consumer using an Enterprise IoT LTSC cut of WIndows is using a legal copy, because it's not made available to end users

That holds true even without the IoT part.

something concise that takes as little clicks as possible to find and get what you need

That would describe the Vista/XP/2000/98 file search box, screwed up ever after.

 

[DaemonForce]

My feeling is that Windows is propped up by two crumbling paradigms:

1. Windows gaming
2. Massive, ageing productivity suites written for Win32 that either don't have Web-based variants, or whose web-based variants are too cut-down and incomplete to replace their Win32 parent suite.

Not necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.

How long until there will be nothing left that needs Windows? My guess is 10 years, unless Microsoft themselves radically change the concept of what Windows actually is.

I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.

 

[Eternit]

Not necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.

I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.

Games alone won't be enough to support Windows. Not everyone plays games, and a lot of gamers prefer consoles. Also PC gaming is more and more expensive hobby, while there are services like GeForce now. To survive, Windows needs desktop applications, and there is fever of them every year and Microsoft doesn't care about it. They prefer people to use websites in Chromium based browsers. You don't need Windows to do that. Corporations are slowly moving from desktop applications to websites, when the migration is all done, they will be able to switch to Linux. And that might be the end of x86 too as it is a lot easier to port operating system and browser than all the desktop applications.

 

[Dr. Dro]

That sounds way over the top

Just came across this, it's even worse than I thought

Someone connected Windows XP to the internet, and it didn't survive long

Everyone knows that putting Windows XP online in 2024 is a bad idea, but not everyone knows just how bad an idea it actually is.

www.xda-developers.com

 

[Minus Infinity]

It doesn't stop users from installing Win10 though, people got around the TPM requirement & this is also kind of a non issue. How many companies supported XP for years even after it went EOL?

Having said that official support would've been nice.

How do you know Win 12 won't have a NPU requirement too and won't boot with out one? I fully expect this to happen.

 

[Eternit]

Just came across this, it's even worse than I thought

Someone connected Windows XP to the internet, and it didn't survive long

Everyone knows that putting Windows XP online in 2024 is a bad idea, but not everyone knows just how bad an idea it actually is.

www.xda-developers.com

Well Windows XP was created in a different times. It run on CPU a lot slower than used in modern watches. Microsoft didn't care about security back then. Vista was a lot more secure. Also he connected this PC directly to the internet and disabled firewall. Connect Windows 11 directly to the internet, disable firewall and Windows security (if it is possible) and see what will happen.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I'm pretty sure it's related to W8.1 lack of popularity, combined with free W10 upgrade. I don't think it made many users sad in the face. W7 had a bigger user base.

I liked 8.1! 10 was like 8.1 with a slower-loading desktop, lmao

 

[Raiden85]

Dick move AMD....dick move!

It's an old OS now, it's almost 9yrs old for god sake, it's time to move on. Even 11 will be 3yrs old in Oct.

 

[Chrispy_]

Not necessarily Windows gaming but squeezing performance in games because of whatever libraries are specifically tuned to run better. Also the egregious and viciously repugnant suite of anticheat software out there that insta-boots or straight up bans linux users just because they decided to lock their audience into Windows. It's like a pincer attack and it sucks.

I give it 5 but that assumes most of the lobbies of games plagued with turds like low level anticheats and suspicious proctoring software disappear to a large degree. It won't happen. Too much $$$$$ greasing hands.

Yeah, anti-cheat is an issue for Linux gaming at the moment but I hear Valve are working on it.
The onus is on cross-platform anti-cheat to improve. It's not like the Windows anti-cheat solutions are particularly effective, and cross-platform, non-windows gaming is definitely a rapidly-growing sector that will (one day) likely be the dominant sector.

 

[Craptacular]

Not really a surprise, we are at the end of life for Windows 10, another year and half and it is no more patches for the vast vast vast majority of consumers.

It wouldn't make sense for AMD to spend money on driver support for a year and then drop it when Microsoft drops support for Windows 10. They are better off just making it a Windows 11 and giving years of driver support.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well Windows XP was created in a different times. It run on CPU a lot slower than used in modern watches. Microsoft didn't care about security back then. Vista was a lot more secure. Also he connected this PC directly to the internet and disabled firewall. Connect Windows 11 directly to the internet, disable firewall and Windows security (if it is possible) and see what will happen.

Probably the same thing, in the internet of the 2030's. The point is, that's why patching is important

 

[WhateverAnotherFreakingID]

...linux?

You won't regret it.

 

[phints]

I hate Win 11 (use it at work every day) and will hold on to 10 on my desktop and laptop right until it is discontinued, but admit that doesn't make sense releasing Win 10 drivers for a 2025 product.

You hate Win11 but like Win10? Lol what? Win11 is similar but faster, better looking, and has some new features like tabs in file explorer. It's been a no brainer on my PC and laptop. Have Linux on a few devices too like OpenWrt of course.

 

[ARF]

You hate Win11 but like Win10? Lol what? Win11 is similar but faster, better looking, and has some new features like tabs in file explorer. It's been a no brainer on my PC and laptop. Have Linux on a few devices too like OpenWrt of course.

Where is Windows 11 faster ? It is actually slower, because the things are hidden under double, triple or more clicks.
Windows 11 pretty much resembles the flop that Windows 8 was, no one in their right mind would update Windows 10 until Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Where is Windows 11 faster ? It is actually slower, because the things are hidden under double, triple or more clicks.
Windows 11 pretty much resembles the flop that Windows 8 was, no one in their right mind would update Windows 10 until Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11.

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It really is not slower. But it does have many questionable design decisions.

 

[DaemonForce]

until Windows 12 gets launched and fixes all the mess and chaos introduced by Windows 11

You're making....A LOT of assumptions there.

Historically I would jump server builds a lot.
XP -> 2003
2003 -> 2008
2008 -> 2012
2012 -> 2016 (I miss this one)
2016 -> 2019
2019 -> 10 (I am here)
Someday I may make the jump from 10 -> 2022 but it doesn't look like a good idea. I might skip for 2025.

My snowflake servers run 2016 Core, Full and when it's something REALLY weak, Nanoserver. Haven't run into any problems with it. Might be the last one that behaves.

 

[ARF]

It really is not slower. But it does have many questionable design decisions.

It offers lower productivity speed. The time to access certain apps, settings is longer.
For example:
Windows 10 -> Start menu -> All installed apps
Windows 11 -> Start menu -> All installed apps hidden behind a further click to open the list

And this is only one example. The whole Windows 11 is as if made to sabotage you to work slower.

I guess M$ is about a global class-action law-suit from the users in order to get compensations for the lack of a proper operating system.
Especially when they enforce onto the users the bad new version upon purchases of a new hardware.

 

[chrcoluk]

I predicted this, Obvious Microsoft would lean on Intel and AMD. I t will be the same for whatever is Intel's next gen.

We can hate this move, but it makes sense, as these laptops will come with Win 11/12 out of the box anyway. I can't imagine anyone getting a brand new laptop with Win 11 or 12 license and go to the trouble to downgrade to 10.

Funny enough I downgraded my current laptop to W8 when I purchased it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It offers lower productivity speed. The time to access certain apps, settings is longer.
For example:
Windows 10 -> Start menu -> All installed apps
Windows 11 -> Start menu -> All installed apps hidden behind a further click to open the list

And this is only one example. The whole Windows 11 is as if made to sabotage you to work slower.

I guess M$ is about a global class-action law-suit from the users in order to get compensations for the lack of a proper operating system.
Especially when they enforce onto the users the bad new version upon purchases of a new hardware.

As I said, questionable design decisions that result in an inferior workflow. But if every company's that chose form over function was subject to a class-action...

At least the UI is serviceable and you can replace the start menu, bring back legacy contexts, old task manager etc.

 

[ARF]

As I said, questionable design decisions that result in an inferior workflow.

Why doesn't M$ listen to the users? Doesn't M$ itself use the same operating system? Don't these people see that it's awful?
M$ should ask people like us how to design the thing.

But if every company's that chose form over function was subject to a class-action...

That's not true. Most companies are fine. M$ is more like a mafia, and this is an exception, rather than the rule.

At least the UI is serviceable and you can replace the start menu, bring back legacy contexts, old task manager etc.

Yes, even more time wasted to try to fix what M$ is paid to deliver right, to begin with.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why doesn't M$ listen to the users? Doesn't M$ itself use the same operating system? Don't these people see that it's awful?
M$ should ask people like us how to design the thing.



That's not true. Most companies are fine. M$ is more like a mafia, and this is an exception, rather than the rule.



Yes, even more time wasted to try to fix what M$ is paid to deliver right, to begin with.

1. Because it doesn't have to. People have an extreme reliance on Windows - and their primary revenue source are pre-built licensing (OEM channel) and audited businesses.

2. M$ is no different from any large corporation, they aren't your friends and their objective is solely to make money. They don't really care if you're satisfied with the product or not.

3. Time? No. Few clicks here and there. Money? Perhaps. The best software in the UX customization business is indeed not free. But not a dealbreaker. So there's that.

 

[mrnagant]

Seems kind of strange because we will have ESU, we got LTSC and LTSB, Windows Server 2016 build is the same major build as Windows 10 1607, and Server 2019 is the same major build as Windows 10 1809. Just thinking of the business side of things it doesn't make that much sense.

Maybe MS has some kind of weirdness happening where they don't want to update the kernel for Win10 Home/Pro maybe?