TechPowerUp @ Computex 2024 Preview: AI Everywhere! Next Gen Platforms and Teasers

[Veseleil]

All I want is booth girls. This is that one item where a video review is allowed.

You can have AI booth, and AI girls.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

AI might actually stand for Artificial Interest from the sound of things.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I'm sure most don't care but disappointed to see Zen 5 desktop isn't getting NPU. NPU is getting leveraged by a more and more image software like Adobe and Topaz, and probably On1. New Apple M4 i much faster with Topaz AI due to the NPU.

May have to go Arrow Lake if it's competitive in multithtreaded apps even sans HTing.

 

[katzi]

It's always great to get flooded with Computex news on TPU. And as always I wait for Computex more excited than for Christmas lol

LOL SAME! The hype is real

 

[Ferrum Master]

I'm sure most don't care but disappointed to see Zen 5 desktop isn't getting NPU. NPU is getting leveraged by a more and more image software like Adobe and Topaz, and probably On1. New Apple M4 i much faster with Topaz AI due to the NPU.

May have to go Arrow Lake if it's competitive in multithtreaded apps even sans HTing.

Weird point... why would it bother you as 99% of people on a PC platform is not limited on not having a choice to add a GPU unlike the planned obsolescence Macs.

 

[Daven]

All I want is booth girls. This is that one item where a video review is allowed.

How about some booth boys? Not everyone in the world is attracted to women.

I may be wrong but looks like TPU was wrong about every word of the Nvidia keynote prediction:

“…is unlikely to make any data-center announcements in a client-focussed event like Computex, but there could be several announcements related to NVIDIA's approach to AI on the PC, including AI-accelerated gaming features and utilities for gamers. Much like AMD, NVIDIA's GeForce RTX gaming GPU lineup is due for an update this year with "Blackwell," so it would be very interesting to see if NVIDIA pulls out something big.”

 

[ypsylon]

Putting aside plague of AI-cancer, 5090 paper launch, mostly waiting for Silverstone Alta D1 official release/presentation.

They have awesome animation available on the page that it'll be unveiled (finally - full year after they showed prototype last year) at Computex 2024, but no product page yet.

 

[Ferrum Master]

How about some booth boys? Not everyone in the world is attracted to women.

W1z is strolling around there, you have options.

 

[trsttte]

I'm sure most don't care but disappointed to see Zen 5 desktop isn't getting NPU. NPU is getting leveraged by a more and more image software like Adobe and Topaz, and probably On1. New Apple M4 i much faster with Topaz AI due to the NPU.

I don't know if it's that disappointing, probably they realized they need one too late but in the desktop market you can use the GPU for that and will probably run circles around the tiny npu that would be present on a cpu (using much more power but desktop so who cares)

For mobile though they're screwed if they don't include one so I think it was already announced they would.

 

[Bwaze]

I'm sure most don't care but disappointed to see Zen 5 desktop isn't getting NPU. NPU is getting leveraged by a more and more image software like Adobe and Topaz, and probably On1. New Apple M4 i much faster with Topaz AI due to the NPU.

May have to go Arrow Lake if it's competitive in multithtreaded apps even sans HTing.

You mean it's not AI ready? :-O

 

[AusWolf]

How about some booth boys? Not everyone in the world is attracted to women.

No, but the vast majority of male gamers are. Targeting a minority is not economically feasible (aka. Disney movies of late). But this is getting off topic, so let's leave it at that.

 

[b1k3rdude]

nGreedia would tell you all about AI and give no care about gaming

Indeed, "the more you spend the more you save" or what ever Ai-suggested B$ Jenson was advised to spout between visits to the night market in Tepei.

I so dont give 2 shits about any of this...

 

[bug]

Need a way to block any article with the AI buzzword baked in. Maybe I’ll use some AI to…

Next to mining, I’ve never been so sick of a fad/buzzword in my life. At least there will be plenty of news about Zen 5 and better memory support to look forward to.

Otoh, we had the 3D fad and y2k. There's always something.

 

[_JP_]

Waiting patiently to see if ASUS will play the hipster card and say they did "AI" before "AI" was cool...

 

[bug]

Waiting patiently to see if ASUS will play the hipster card and say they did "AI" before "AI" was cool...

How can they, they're not a Mexican company. Everybody knows Mexicans were the first to do Ai-Ai-Ai-Ai!

 

[TechLurker]

Yeah they should have just added Booth studs and booth 'whateveryouwannabe' and all would have been well in the world. Its a sign of the times though. The net result of all those strong opinions is nobody does anything anymore and all things turn boring and stale.

How about some booth boys? Not everyone in the world is attracted to women.

Ironically, E3 used to have some booth studs alongside booth babes. Especially for advertising some of the more "macho" style games like Killzone, Gears of War (a few buff guys just wearing a GoW fitted shirt), Halo (some buff guys with a fitted Halo shirt and army pants), and God of War (a buff dude dressed like Kratos). But given that most games nowadays are stuck to "realism", you really don't get any more 'roided out fictional male protags any more.

That said, it would be extremely hilarious if Computex ever did have Booth Dudes; muscle guys wearing fitted shirts with some computer brand on it and them hyping it up. At the very least, it would have made that one company (in)famously memorable.

Given all the focus on AI though, I'm surprised they didn't feature more AI "waifus/husbandos" this time around to showcase the use of AI for things like advanced virtual assistants, virtual booth babes/dudes (that know the product), smart game NPCs, or even virtual concierges (to man all the reception/check-in/information desks that tend to be empty nowadays). Computex 2023 had an interactive AI (that looked like a generic Chinese NPC) that could interact with guests to a limited extent, via asking questions through a microphone, and it answering as best as it could based on its programming at the time, and I only learned of it because YTuber Dawid happened to visit the less-popular booths in a side video of his (starts at 4:38).

Heck, especially the info kiosks; this would have been a perfect time to really capitalize on the AI buzzword craze and feature "AI powered Information Desks" that let people know where each and every booth, restroom, and snack bar was, while having a virtual being to "look at", given that studies show that humans were more likely to interact with a virtual being than just a camera and speaker.

 

[AusWolf]

Given all the focus on AI though, I'm surprised they didn't feature more AI "waifus/husbandos" this time around to showcase the use of AI for things like advanced virtual assistants, virtual booth babes/dudes (that know the product), smart game NPCs, or even virtual concierges (to man all the reception/check-in/information desks that tend to be empty nowadays). Computex 2023 had an interactive AI (that looked like a generic Chinese NPC) that could interact with guests to a limited extent, via asking questions through a microphone, and it answering as best as it could based on its programming at the time, and I only learned of it because YTuber Dawid happened to visit the less-popular booths in a side video of his (starts at 4:38).

Heck, especially the info kiosks; this would have been a perfect time to really capitalize on the AI buzzword craze and feature "AI powered Information Desks" that let people know where each and every booth, restroom, and snack bar was, while having a virtual being to "look at", given that studies show that humans were more likely to interact with a virtual being than just a camera and speaker.

I guess it just shows how useless AI is at its present stage. It's good enough to hold presentations about, but not good enough to actually be used for something.

 

[mrnagant]

I'm not excided for TPU/NPUs other than for things like DLSS. Outside gamers, I am sure the use is less. People that actually need it will have GPUs to do the intensive stuff. For AMD APUs, it would make more sense if they actually used XDNA for FSR, but I would imagine that it would increase latency as it is not part of the GPU section of silicon. So it would not surprise me if XDNA never handles this kind of stuff. Even Apple's Metal, they are only using a custom version of FSR. And even for games, tensor cores only provide small increase over doing it via shaders. Like DLSS is better IQ wise than shaders, but it isn't like 25 or 50x better.

Other than gaming, I just see this more at the benefit of FAAMG. Some of the AI stuff I have used, barely uses any CPU (in some cases you can't even tell) and it really is no better than the non-AI stuff. Things like changing your voice, noise suppression, doing basic stuff in a photo/video editor, etc. Not many people do or care to say run a local LLM. Lots of people already use things like ChatGTP, but they aren't going to run these locally. They will just find a website and put their query in there. If you want to do something else "cool" there are plenty of free websites to do it. I also find Google and MS AI search to be complete and utter garbage for searches I have been doing for decades. In this regard I feel like we are taking a giant leap backwards.

Hell, I run a training model at work that processes 25 images every 15 minutes. Uses 50% of 8 cores for all of 60s to pump out my output. My NVR does "AI" image processing just fine on an 8core A53 processor. Don't need a fancy AI processor to do it.

For things like DLSS, is >300TOPs even needed? Could we get by with significantly less? Like could a 4090 with DLSS get the same level of performance if it only had the Tensor output of say the 4060 or 4070?

 

[64K]

I was just reading something that happened during AMD's Computex AI demo for Wanderlust. The AI got the location of Computex wrong. It appeared to be pointing at the Changan Junior High School across town instead. What's really funny is that the AI had already made this result known before the presentation but whoever was in charge just assumed that the AI must be right.

This raises the question yet again. If you can't really trust AI to give you correct info and you have to go back and double check the results for accuracy anyway then what is the point in asking the AI a question to begin with?

AMD's broken Computex AI demo again proves you can't trust everything an AI tells you

OpenAI's Wanderlust, powered by AMD's Instinct MI300X GPUs, completely made up the location of Computex 2024.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[AusWolf]

I was just reading something that happened during AMD's Computex AI demo for Wanderlust. The AI got the location of Computex wrong. It appeared to be pointing at the Changan Junior High School across town instead. What's really funny is that the AI had already made this result known before the presentation but whoever was in charge just assumed that the AI must be right.

This raises the question yet again. If you can't really trust AI to give you correct info and you have to go back and double check the results for accuracy anyway then what is the point in asking the AI a question to begin with?

AMD's broken Computex AI demo again proves you can't trust everything an AI tells you

OpenAI's Wanderlust, powered by AMD's Instinct MI300X GPUs, completely made up the location of Computex 2024.

www.pcgamer.com

Wow, that even proves my thoughts on AI to be over-estimated:

I can't imagine where AMD's AI got that information from.

 

[BorisDG]

Yeah, Computex looks very very boring this year. Watch in 6 days or so Apple's take on "AI".

 

[Upgrayedd]

Anyone know if any OLED monitors with G Sync hardware were shown?

 

[Vayra86]

This raises the question yet again. If you can't really trust AI to give you correct info and you have to go back and double check the results for accuracy anyway then what is the point in asking the AI a question to begin with?

Challenge: find the ten differences between the below statement and yours

'If you can't really trust crypto to not fluctuate wildly in value, and you have to double check whether your ice cream cone didn't just double in price, how can it ever be a valid way to pay things with?'

Its all more of the same. Overcomplicated 'solutions' to problems we never had and won't ever solve either. Basically the gist is: nothing is perfect and no system will ever be perfect. Because humans interact with it, you will need humans to keep it within the boundaries of what's acceptable. This applies to crypto. Its unregulated but humans keep screwing with it. And that also applies to AI: its unregulated, and humans keep screwing with it. What are they trying to replace? Regulated systems that work fine.

No system is infallible. Its the perfect thing to sell: a product that's never done, feeding on its own nonsense, and just like crypto, 'forever in beta'. 'But this time its really great'...

 

[mb194dc]

I was just reading something that happened during AMD's Computex AI demo for Wanderlust. The AI got the location of Computex wrong. It appeared to be pointing at the Changan Junior High School across town instead. What's really funny is that the AI had already made this result known before the presentation but whoever was in charge just assumed that the AI must be right.

This raises the question yet again. If you can't really trust AI to give you correct info and you have to go back and double check the results for accuracy anyway then what is the point in asking the AI a question to begin with?

AMD's broken Computex AI demo again proves you can't trust everything an AI tells you

OpenAI's Wanderlust, powered by AMD's Instinct MI300X GPUs, completely made up the location of Computex 2024.

www.pcgamer.com

This is exactly what Sundar Pichai pointed out in his interview with the verge. LLM hallucinations...

"You’re getting at a deeper point where hallucination is still an unsolved problem. In some ways, it’s an inherent feature. It’s what makes these models very creative. It’s why it can immediately write a poem about Thomas Jefferson in the style of Nilay. It can do that. It’s incredibly creative. But LLMs aren’t necessarily the best approach to always get at factuality, which is part of why I feel excited about Search."

 

[Gameslove]

What about 8K Monitors?