AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

[ARF]

N4P is barely any denser than the N5 node it's derived from.

That's why Ryzen 9000 will be a skip option to me. Better wait 3nm or 2nm, which are already used for years by Apple.

 

[marduk_0]

What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?

 

[atomsymbol]

What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?

Combining high-end AM5 CPU and high-end AM5 motherboard with low-end RAM capacity is illogical. 32GB RAM is mid-range, 64GB+ RAM is high-end.

 

[Chry]

Very happy with my 7600X and will probably instantly upgrade to 9700X.

 

[Ayhamb99]

What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?

Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

 

[rv8000]

Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

If better memory frequency support is related to improved trace design (most likely + improvements on cpu silicon), that + USB4 and any additional benefits to I/O are going to make buying b/x600 a bad idea imo. If budget is really that much of an issue buying a 9900x isnt in the cards.

There will likely be some similar priced X870 boards vs what we have now (270-300$). Not great pricing, but thats the (gouge)reality.

 

[AusWolf]

Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

The 800 series is exactly the same as the 600 series except for USB 4 support, and maybe better traces. I wouldn't expect too much of a price difference. But then, some gouge tax may apply, so we'll know when they're out, I guess.

 

[Ayhamb99]

If better memory frequency support is related to improved trace design (most likely + improvements on cpu silicon), that + USB4 and any additional benefits to I/O are going to make buying b/x600 a bad idea imo. If budget is really that much of an issue buying a 9900x isnt in the cards.

There will likely be some similar priced X870 boards vs what we have now (270-300$). Not great pricing, but thats the (gouge)reality.

The 800 series is exactly the same as the 600 series except for USB 4 support, and maybe better traces. I wouldn't expect too much of a price difference. But then, some gouge tax may apply, so we'll know when they're out, I guess.

I certainly remember X670 boards being outrageously overpriced, like $400-450, when they came out, i seriously doubt that the new boards are gonna come out with similarly prices to now. That's how new gen motherboard launches usually are from what I've seen in the previous gens, whether it is Intel or AMD. They always start with outrageous prices before they come down to reality.

 

[hsew]

I’m just glad they took a more conservative approach to TDP. Here’s to hoping that translates to new efficiency highs!

 

[KaitouX]

I’m just glad they took a more conservative approach to TDP. Here’s to hoping that translates to new efficiency highs!

Same.
They did what it should've been already done with Zen4, the 7900X has probably the most stupid power limit possible, with the CPU pretty much just wasting power for almost no reason, getting mostly less than 3% performance increase when going from 142W to 230W. 142W for the 7900X and 88W for the 7700X/7600X should have been the default.
Hopefully Intel does the same, something like 135W for the 13600K/14600K and 180W/200W for the 13700K/14700K would have been better, I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice if Arrow lake would come with lower power limits.

 

[Grigor]

IPC slide actually showing FPS

I only look at 3 game, MSFS 2020, DCS, and StarCitizen

 

[marduk_0]

Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

Oh I totally forgot about the "B" boards.
I currently have a B550 with a 5600X.
For gaming, I believe the "B" boards are more than enough. So, it will be either the B850 or B870. Will these have USB4?

 

[rv8000]

Oh I totally forgot about the "B" boards.
I currently have a B550 with a 5600X.
For gaming, I believe the "B" boards are more than enough. So, it will be either the B850 or B870. Will these have USB4?

Only X870E/870 will have usb4. The naming/chipset scheme is changing going into the 800 series. B850 and B840 will lack usb4, and B840 will not provide CPU overclocking.

 

[Dimitriman]

Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

It is because of the existence of the 600 seried boards that I believe there will not be price gouging this time.

 

[SL2]

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.

I wouldn't bet on that. Plenty of B450 still, 4 years after B550 came.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

That's why you always wait for reviews it's never been a good idea to take marketing slides as gospel amd actually use to be somewhat accurate but after RDNA3 I take anything they put out with a huge grain of salt.

you sir are on point!! day 1 releases are for just the fanbois IMHO..

RDNA3? they just spilled it out..

 

[marduk_0]

Only X870E/870 will have usb4. The naming/chipset scheme is changing going into the 800 series. B850 and B840 will lack usb4, and B840 will not provide CPU overclocking.

Ah OK thanks.
I believe my Noctua NH-12S with the AM4 mounting kit would fit on the X870. Would that be enough cooling for the 9900X though?

 

[rv8000]

Ah OK thanks.
I believe my Noctua NH-12S with the AM4 mounting kit would fit on the X870. Would that be enough cooling for the 9900X though?

Adequate yes, optimal who knows. No crystal balls available atm, with the reduced TDP on the 12 core for the 9000 series, will likely be easier to cool than its predecessor.

 

[phints]

Ryzen 9700X with a lowered TDP to 65W sounds awesome, hoping benchmarks look good, and boot times improve from Zen 4 issues. This will be in my next build if so.

 

[The Shield]

Come on AMD, we need the X3D versions, stop these annoying marketing practices of keeping things secret.

 

[Caring1]

Waiting for AM6 so they can get rid of the stupid IHS design.

Delid it, then you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Don Ramón]

@btarunr Doesn't know ZEN 2 was a monolithic 4c 8t ccx desing.

 

[JohH]

That's why Ryzen 9000 will be a skip option to me. Better wait 3nm or 2nm, which are already used for years by Apple.

Apple's first N3 chip (A17 'Pro') only launched 9 months ago. Not years ago.

 

[ARF]

Apple's first N3 chip (A17 'Pro') only launched 9 months ago. Not years ago.

TSMC's N3 has been in risk production since 2021, and in serial production since 2022.

3 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips
News
By Anton Shilov published December 29, 2022
TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.

TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips

TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.

www.tomshardware.com

3nm Technology - Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited

In 2022, TSMC led the foundry to start 3nm FinFET (N3) technology high volume production. TSMC’s 3nm process is the industry’s most advanced semiconductor technology offering best power, performance, and area (PPA), and is a full-node advance from its 5nm generation. Following N3 technology...

www.tsmc.com

 

[JohH]

TSMC's N3 has been in risk production since 2021, and in serial production since 2022.

3 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips
News
By Anton Shilov published December 29, 2022
TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.

TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips

TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.

www.tomshardware.com

View attachment 350706

3nm Technology - Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited

In 2022, TSMC led the foundry to start 3nm FinFET (N3) technology high volume production. TSMC’s 3nm process is the industry’s most advanced semiconductor technology offering best power, performance, and area (PPA), and is a full-node advance from its 5nm generation. Following N3 technology...

www.tsmc.com

And Intel's 18A is in risk production now.
No one cares until a product launches. Saying N3 and N2 "are already used for years by Apple" is wrong and exaggerated. OR by the same metric Intel has been using 18A for months already.