Thermal Grizzly Showcases WireView Pro, PhaseSheet PTM, X-10 and X-8 TIMs

[btarunr]

Thermal Grizzly, known most for its high conductivity thermal compounds, showcased a trio of innovative products at Computex 2024, which are highly relevant. The first such innovation is the WireView Pro, a gadget that monitors power delivery to your graphics card, and puts out audible alarms when there's overcurrent or overheating of the wires at the connector. This helps you prevent the power connector burnouts we're seeing with modern graphics cards. This particular model supports the 12V-2x6 (H++) connector standard, which in turn has compatibility with 12VHPWR.

The WireView Pro device sits between the power connection from your PSU, and the connector of your graphics card. It has a physical segment display that lets you monitor power draw or current in real time. It also has two thermal diodes, which connect to the wires close to the terminals of the connector. The device will provide an audible alarm if it detects overheating of wires that can lead to a burnout, or if it detects overcurrent (beyond the ATX 3.1 specification and its excursion tolerances).



Next up, is the Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet PTM, a high-grade thermal pad that's suitable for high-power devices such as CPUs and GPUs. It's made up of a phase-changing material, and is electrically non-conductive, and offers an unspecified yet high thermal conductivity suitable for its applications. Lastly, the company showed us its new thermal pastes, namely the X-10, and the X-8. Both are simple, non-hardening, and electrically non-conductive pastes recommended for liquid cooling applications. The company didn't put out thermal conductivity numbers, we're not sure if the "8" and "10" in the model names represent conductivity in W mK.

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[natr0n]

Really good products coming out from them.

 

[wolf]

well, now I want a WireView....

 

[P4-630]

I'd like to know how does that x-8 and x-10 compare to Kryonaut Extreme....

 

[huggi]

Thermal Grizzly no longer puts out a W/mK conductivity figure. As per the FAQ page on their website:

Why is there no indication of the thermal conductivity value on the packaging?​

The mostly theoretically determined thermal conductivity values vary greatly depending on the application, as important factors such as contact pressure, temperature or surface cannot be taken into account uniformly. Since the 4th quarter of 2020, all our cooling products have therefore no longer given specific values for thermal conductivity. We continue to rely on the test results of independent tests and reviews so that our customers can get a more realistic impression of the performance of our products in practice under comparable circumstances.

 

[TPCEA]

Thermal Grizzly no longer puts out a W/mK conductivity figure. As per the FAQ page on their website:

Risky, putting all your eggs in the basket of reviewers, some of whom are shills for the competition...

 

[WhateverAnotherFreakingID]

This helps you prevent the power connector burnouts we're seeing with modern graphics cards

This shouldn't even happening and the thing that is still happening honestly triggers me, how is it possible that some electrical industrial product got away with a faulty connector causing a fire hazard regardless of the tons of norms regulating the matter, that is the low unregulated quality standards only befitting some extremely cheap semi-legally imported knock-off products

 

[TPCEA]

This shouldn't even happening and the thing that is still happening honestly triggers me, how is it possible that some electrical industrial product got away with a faulty connector causing a fire hazard regardless of the tons of norms regulating the matter, that is the low unregulated quality standards only befitting some extremely cheap semi-legally imported knock-off products

When you have two choices:
Self-regulation
Or
Government regulation by an under- funded department, agency or bureau

Neither is going to protect us, especially since most politicians are paid by industries to protect them, not us.

 

[KLiKzg]

Really good...looking for more info about PTM.

As I will stick with Kyronaut with 13,5WmK, unless they get something better?!

 

[sLowEnd]

Thermal Grizzly no longer puts out a W/mK conductivity figure. As per the FAQ page on their website:

Noctua doesn't either, for similar reasons

Why doesn’t Noctua specify thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of NT-H1 and NT-H2?

While there are some standardised methods for testing the thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of thermal compounds, they do not always guarantee comparable results. What's more, many vendors have started to claim thermal resistance or ther...

faqs.noctua.at

You won't believe the amount of trouble I've had trying to explain to other people why w/mK is not a value one can reliably use to compare products between manufacturers. I don't say anything anymore; I just watch the ignorance fester.

 

[TPCEA]

Noctua doesn't either, for similar reasons

Why doesn’t Noctua specify thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of NT-H1 and NT-H2?

While there are some standardised methods for testing the thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of thermal compounds, they do not always guarantee comparable results. What's more, many vendors have started to claim thermal resistance or ther...

faqs.noctua.at

You won't believe the amount of trouble I've had trying to explain to other people why w/mK is not a value one can reliably use to compare products between manufacturers. I don't say anything anymore; I just watch the ignorance fester.

Hmm...So, if each product is tested in exactly the same way, though, W/mK should be usable to rank the products. True?

 

[sephiroth117]

Hmm...So, if each product is tested in exactly the same way, though, W/mK should be usable to rank the products. True?

the point is that viscosity, application, temperature, position (vertical, horizontal) amongst other parameters all can impact conductivity, pressure distribution and thus performance.

Having a static W/mK is not really accurate, the best thing is to do reviews like Gamersnexus or TPU because it really cannot be summed up to one number

It’s like saying a 4090 is 190 fps. Yes what games, what resolution, with what cpu etc

 

[:D:D]

Wasn't aware of temperature feature on WireView, kewl or should I say hot They do look nice, shame about the multiple connector configurations though. Talking of which the pic supplied shows a mating gap which is concerning, shouldn't it be fully down?

 

[TPCEA]

the point is that viscosity, application, temperature, position (vertical, horizontal) amongst other parameters all can impact conductivity, pressure distribution and thus performance.

Having a static W/mK is not really accurate, the best thing is to do reviews like Gamersnexus or TPU because it really cannot be summed up to one number

It’s like saying a 4090 is 190 fps. Yes what games, what resolution, with what cpu etc

I'm aware that there are other specs for TIMs, but you didn't actually answer my question.
Hmm...So, if each product is tested in exactly the same way, though, W/mK should be usable to rank the products. True?

 

[KLiKzg]

Noctua doesn't either, for similar reasons

Why doesn’t Noctua specify thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of NT-H1 and NT-H2?

While there are some standardised methods for testing the thermal conductivity or thermal resistance of thermal compounds, they do not always guarantee comparable results. What's more, many vendors have started to claim thermal resistance or ther...

faqs.noctua.at

You won't believe the amount of trouble I've had trying to explain to other people why w/mK is not a value one can reliably use to compare products between manufacturers. I don't say anything anymore; I just watch the ignorance fester.

That a lot of B.S. from the supplier!

So they abandon the tests, but do test on machines which they have prepared in lab. Not giving you any clue about the mounting, spreading, thickness, etc.

What a munch of "new age B.S." is this?

the point is that viscosity, application, temperature, position (vertical, horizontal) amongst other parameters all can impact conductivity, pressure distribution and thus performance.

Having a static W/mK is not really accurate, the best thing is to do reviews like Gamersnexus or TPU because it really cannot be summed up to one number

It’s like saying a 4090 is 190 fps. Yes what games, what resolution, with what cpu etc

NOT!

If you have 2 pastes, which are spreaded by John...& spreads it thick, with same cooler on same CPU. So the one with higher W/mK will get better results!

Same as you test the 4090 on a game or some 3Dtest & it gets 190fps...that is great, compare same system with previous 3060 & you will not get same result!

So, all this talk about why not W/mK is a lot of B.S.
& main thing is: if you have paste with higher W/mK, it performs better on your computer with your spread on your CPU. Point!

& if you want to measure the W/mK, then you have to uphold it by some standard...which is ASTM D5470!

 

[Nephilim666]

Wasn't aware of temperature feature on WireView, kewl or should I say hot They do look nice, shame about the multiple connector configurations though. Talking of which the pic supplied shows a mating gap which is concerning, shouldn't it be fully down?

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I think that's the point, they're showing an instance where the thermal probe could save you from disaster.

 

[Borc]

W/mK isn't even the most important metric, in most cases the thermal resistance is the more important metric. W/mK is pretty much useless, it's basically just a marketing number. Everyone in the industry knows it. By the way I tested Dowsil TC-5550 and it's great (despite the rather low 5 W/mK!), actually this is the best paste I ever tried on my laptop. I made several tests with TC-5550 and my previous best paste Kold-01 and in almost all runs it's slightly better. Dowsil TC-5960 is not yet in mass production, this is supposed to be even better. It needs to be tested though.

 

[TPCEA]

W/mK isn't even the most important metric, in most cases the thermal resistance is the more important metric. W/mK is pretty much useless, it's basically just a marketing number. Everyone in the industry knows it. By the way I tested Dowsil TC-5550 and it's great (despite the rather low 5 W/mK!), actually this is the best paste I ever tried on my laptop. I made several tests with TC-5550 and my previous best paste Kold-01 and in almost all runs it's slightly better. Dowsil TC-5960 is not yet in mass production, this is supposed to be even better. It needs to be tested though.

How do you measure thermal resistance? Measuring how long it takes to transfer heat, or just how long it takes to reach max temp (saturation), or something else?

 

[Apeek97]

really interested in phasesheet. I'm too afraid to give information on Chinese sites for Honeywell ptm

 

[:D:D]

I think that's the point, they're showing an instance where the thermal probe could save you from disaster.

Haven't seen the one with temp sensor yet, still seem to be selling the older ones without. For me prices have gone up too.

How do you measure thermal resistance? Measuring how long it takes to transfer heat, or just how long it takes to reach max temp (saturation), or something else?

Measure temperature drop across TIM and heat power. If measuring 5C delta at 100W then it's 0.05C/W.

 

[TPCEA]

really interested in phasesheet. I'm too afraid to give information on Chinese sites for Honeywell ptm

LTT Store and Performance PCs sell it at reasonable prices.