AMD Says Ryzen 9000 Series Won't Beat 7000X3D Series at Gaming

[Neo_Morpheus]

I personally would have titled the article the following, to avoid confusion:

"AMD Says Ryzen non-X3D 9000 Series Won't Beat 7000X3D Series at Gaming"

But then we wont get a proper anti-AMD hit piece.

 

[phanbuey]

this is the same as the 7000 series - they will come out overpriced and barely faster than the previous x3d, and then once there's a little competition they will drop price and release the x3d chips.

The 7700x was like $400 and not faster than the 5800x3d when it released. Once raptor lake came around and sales were crap then the 7700 and 7600 came out, followed by 7950x3d and then 4 months after that the 7800x3d.

9700x at $400 and no faster than 7800x3d, same thing will happen Q4-Q2 2025 they will release a 9700/9600 and X3Ds. Prices are better this time around though.

 

[Random_User]

What is interesting, is how much of "not beating" 7800X3D, is due to addition of NPU silicon, and how much die space it consumes, while it being used for the more logic and cashe area instead.
Many surveys show, barely 2% of people really using, or interested in AI specific stuff. So why stuffing it in every single device, regardless? Outside the MS "requirement" for their Windows, that they spy through, there is not use of it for an ordinary user. Let alone, schools, and office workers, that being distracted by horrid UI, ads and "assistant" poking all the time.

 

[A Computer Guy]

'Buy our 7800X3Ds and don't wait for the next best thing', is what they're saying.

"Fill our pockets now before its too late!" , "Limited time offer!" ... but seriously I do wonder what's going to happen with the pricing after 9000 series is officially moving stock.

 

[ymdhis]

Many surveys show, barely 2% of people really using, or interested in AI specific stuff. So why stuffing it in every single device, regardless? Outside the MS "requirement" for their Windows, that they spy through, there is not use of it for an ordinary user. Let alone, schools, and office workers, that being distracted by horrid UI, ads and "assistant" poking all the time.

Because AI is the dotcom boom of the 2020s, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. So they have to put useless NPUs everywhere because it gives investors a hard-on.

I wish someone would find it a good use beyond running chatbots 150% faster, right now there's no point in it being universal. Maybe in five years when it will be in every CPU, someone will write a botnet that leverages millions of home users NPUs to run Skynet. Kyle Reese was supposed to be sent back in time from 2029 in the original Terminator, so we still have five years for that to happen.

 

[rv8000]

But then we wont get a proper anti-AMD hit piece.

It’s TPU, there will always be another AMD/Radeon hit piece in the pipeline.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

What is interesting, is how much of "not beating" 7800X3D, is due to addition of NPU silicon, and how much die space it consumes, while it being used for the more logic and cashe area instead.
Many surveys show, barely 2% of people really using, or interested in AI specific stuff. So why stuffing it in every single device, regardless? Outside the MS "requirement" for their Windows, that they spy through, there is not use of it for an ordinary user. Let alone, schools, and office workers, that being distracted by horrid UI, ads and "assistant" poking all the time.

Because AI is the dotcom boom of the 2020s, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. So they have to put useless NPUs everywhere because it gives investors a hard-on.

I wish someone would find it a good use beyond running chatbots 150% faster, right now there's no point in it being universal. Maybe in five years when it will be in every CPU, someone will write a botnet that leverages millions of home users NPUs to run Skynet. Kyle Reese was supposed to be sent back in time from 2029 in the original Terminator, so we still have five years for that to happen.

Uh, Ryzen 9000 desktop (Granite Ridge) doesn’t have an NPU.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Oh no, not the gaming performance. All the hordes of 4090 owners are in shambles.

All the hordes of 4090 owners are getting their chance to shine.....from the light caused by their burning power connectors!

HAHAHA!

Aside from that fun jab at 4090 cards, I'd like to think that the non-9xxxX3D processors should be fairly close to the 7xxxX3D in terms of gaming performance. Guess we just need to wait and see.

 

[Daven]

It’s TPU, there will always be another AMD/Radeon hit piece in the pipeline.

I'm not sure how serious you guys are being but I find that TPU is pretty balanced in that they cover the goods and the bads for everyone. The only exception is the UK proofreader, dgianstefani, who is an Nvidia/Intel cheerleader. But I guess that's okay too in that TPU allows its staff to participate in comments and have whatever opinion they like.

 

[codex5600x]

Bad news

 

[NicklasAPJ]

Ok, so what's the big deal here

Rendering? they are gonna be ALOT better than 7000 serien in raw speed.
Gaming is not the only reason to buy a CPU...

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

It might get close to its performance, but not at the same wattage...

I’m curious to see, since they dropped the 9700X to a 65W part. If if hangs with the X3D, thats pretty good and one can only imagine what a 9800X3D will do. It suggests there won’t be as much of a clock speed compromise this time.

Because AI is the dotcom boom of the 2020s, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. So they have to put useless NPUs everywhere because it gives investors a hard-on.

I wish someone would find it a good use beyond running chatbots 150% faster, right now there's no point in it being universal. Maybe in five years when it will be in every CPU, someone will write a botnet that leverages millions of home users NPUs to run Skynet. Kyle Reese was supposed to be sent back in time from 2029 in the original Terminator, so we still have five years for that to happen.

I have one app that uses the NPU that I find useful. DXO PureRAW. It actually accelerates it quite nicely. Now is it actually AI or just using the right tool for the job? I don’t know. Also, I think stuff like Apple Photos uses the NPU to scan your content to ID faces and such. I’m good with that happening locally and not in the cloud.

 

[rv8000]

I'm not sure how serious you guys are being but I find that TPU is pretty balanced in that they cover the goods and the bads for everyone. The only exception is the UK proofreader, dgianstefani, who is an Nvidia/Intel cheerleader. But I guess that's okay too in that TPU allows its staff to participate in comments and have whatever opinion they like.

Mostly joking, there are definitely some bad actors when it comes to staff making comments/opinions on forums though.

 

[wheresmycar]

AMD Says Ryzen 9000 Series Won't Beat 7000X3D Series at Gaming​

wasn't this expected? Or in the least, based on game averages, I expected 9000 non-X3D presenting similar level (7800X3D) perf. I guess the 5800X3D vs 7600X can be taken as reference - exhibiting similar level performance with benched game averages and previous Gen 3D-cache seeing more significant performance uplift in 'some' CPU bound titles.

One thing is certain todays already invigorated CPUs are displaying all the high-level performance characteristics needed to blast through games and in various instances we're lacking in GPU support. I'm certainly not one to fall for AMDs next-Gen X3D higher premium scheming antics especially when my one-deck below (AM4) 5800X3D is already GPU famished.

Oh no, not the gaming performance. All the hordes of 4090 owners are in shambles.

lol i kid you not i saw a guy running a marathon in flip flops. Some people just have an artistic knack for performance traffic jams. Give some of these guys a chance to strap a car engine to a bike and they'll do it. If you challenge their sanity they'll argue the 0.1%, 0.01%, 0.001% mph lows.

 

[damric]

What I am hoping is that AMD isn't pushing these 9000 Ryzens to the limit of the silicon, keeping a reasonble TDP and some meat left on the bone for overclockers.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I'm not sure how serious you guys are being but I find that TPU is pretty balanced in that they cover the goods and the bads for everyone. The only exception is the UK proofreader, dgianstefani, who is an Nvidia/Intel cheerleader. But I guess that's okay too in that TPU allows its staff to participate in comments and have whatever opinion they like.

To a point, I agree.

This place is not as bad as Tom’s.

Examples:

They have articles about cpus and gpus that somehow are written without mentioning AMD. Not even once.

Articles start with negative titles towards AMD.
Power consumption only matters when it can be used against AMD, but ok when others do.

And my favorite, you cannot use the name Ngreedia in their forums. Total loyalty is a must..lol

 

[Tek-Check]

It's not a surprise, it just makes for a great clickbait title.

Click, click, click, click,...
I mean, all those CPU will be very close in gaming, a few percentages here and there.
9000X3D should be a halo gaming solution for fps aficionados, aka devotees.

 

[phints]

How much faster is a 7800X3D compared to a 7700X? 20%? 25%?
How much faster is the 9700X compared to a 7700X? 16%?
There you have it. A 7800X3D is faster in gaming compared to a 9700X....

We won't know for sure until TPU has one in their hands and tested it.

Yes exactly. I don't know why anyone would expect a 9700X to be faster in gaming than a 7800X3D because AMD already announced the % improvements. 9700X will be close in gaming, and faster in productivity workloads. If you want a gaming focused build and willing to spend a little more money then obviously wait for the 9800X3D.

More than anything I'm curious to know if AMD solved the longer boot time issues with many Zen 4 boards.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

are there games that are still cpu limited with anything zen4 or intel 12gen++

Sins of a solar empire and it's standalone, Soase Rebellion. Even on my 5800x3d 10 player maps can bog down in late game.

 

[AusWolf]

Why all this pessimism? Did you guys seriously think the 9000-series was aimed at 7000-series owners?

When are we all gonna grow out of the late '90s attitude of expecting huge leaps of performance and functionality from single generational upgrades?

 

[ARF]

Why all this pessimism? Did you guys seriously think the 9000-series was aimed at 7000-series owners?

This is a plausible option. Especially if you want to upgrade from a power hog 170-watt ultra-hot CPU that you have no idea how to cool, to a 65-watt energy efficient CPU with the same or higher performance

 

[AusWolf]

This is a plausible option. Especially if you want to upgrade from a power hog 170-watt ultra-hot CPU that you have no idea how to cool, to a 65-watt energy efficient CPU with the same or higher performance

Well, if you need a 65 W CPU, then why did you buy that power hog in the first place?

 

[blkspade]

Wasn't there a plan to eventually bring the X3D cache to all Zen CPUs? I remember when it debuted in Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000) that they stated that Zen 4 was already planned with and without X3D cache, but the next lines should see 3D cache implemented in all versions?

There is no reason to do this because X3D basically only helps gaming at the cost of clockspeed which hampers literally other common task computers get used for. It's also good for specific types of scientific workloads in the data center which what they initially made these dies for. Gaming is just the side benefit. If they reach a point where the max possible clocks on a die require equal voltage to the limit of X3D, then maybe.

This is a plausible option. Especially if you want to upgrade from a power hog 170-watt ultra-hot CPU that you have no idea how to cool, to a 65-watt energy efficient CPU with the same or higher performance

Only the non-X3D R9's use that much power, and still will. The R5 and R7s are decreasing from 105W to 65W. The X3D versions are 120W. None of them use that amount of power while gaming. So what are you talking about exactly?

 

[ARF]

Well, if you need a 65 W CPU, then why did you buy that power hog in the first place?

Because the power hog was the top dog at the time of the purchase, and I didn't know what's new coming

 

[AusWolf]

Because the power hog was the top dog at the time of the purchase, and I didn't know what's new coming

1. The new top dog will be a power hog, too.
2. The new 65-Watt CPU won't outperform your last-gen top dog.
3. People buying the top dog don't need a 65-Watt CPU, and vice versa. They are made for completely different use cases.