Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Engineering Sample Posts Over 25% 1T Perf Gain Over i9-13900K, Falls Behind in nT

[btarunr]

An unnamed Intel Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processor engineering sample (ES) made it to the hands of someone willing to post its CPU-Z Bench screenshot. The processor allegedly scores a whopping 1143.2 points in the CPU-Bench single-thread benchmark; and 12922.4 points in the multithreaded benchmark. When compared with the internal Intel Core i9-13900K reference scores of CPU-Z, the single-thread benchmark score is a staggering 26.71% increase over that of the i9-13900K (902 points); while the multithreaded score is 22% lower.

Since we don't know which processor model this "Arrow Lake-S" ES is, we have no way of telling if it is the top SKU with its rumored 8P+16E core configuration, or a mid-tier Core i5 SKU with the expected 6P+8E configuration. The single-threaded test only loads one P-core, and here the IPC of one of the chip's "Lion Cove" P-cores is able to trounce one of the "Raptor Cove" P-cores of the i9-13900K reference score. You also have to understand that the Hyper-Threading plays no role in this thread. Where it could play a role is the multithreaded test. "Lion Cove" lacks HTT support unlike "Raptor Cove," and the i9-13900K is a 24-core/32-thread processor. It's important to note here, that "Arrow Lake" doesn't just have up to 8 "Lion Cove" P-cores, but also up to 16 "Skymont" E-cores that Intel claims to have achieved a massive IPC gain over its predecessor, bringing its IPC in the league of past-generation P-cores such as the "Raptor Cove" or "Golden Cove."



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[TumbleGeorge]

I don't need a one-sharp-toothed lion. Who chews badly with the rest of his mouth.

 

[Bwaze]

Which processor? Stock, water cooled overclock, on chiller, LN2? Without any details this information tells us right about nothing.

 

[phanbuey]

25% ST performance + ringbus tweaks could be amazing news for gaming and consumer.

The 9800x3d will be a close match on nT though so will be interesting to see the pricing on arrow lake.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Hmm, trying to figure how many P core/ E core cpu this is. Going by the CPU-z chart it looks like a 6 P core/ 8 E core CPU which if it is, it's pretty impressive!

 

[DarkDreams]

Hmm, trying to figure how many P core/ E core cpu this is. Going by the CPU-z chart it looks like a 6 P core/ 8 E core CPU which if it is, it's pretty impressive!

Agreed, the 11.3 multi/single core ratio is close to the 14600K 11.8 and nothing else makes much sense to me. That would mean a 30% single core and 25% multi core improvement from 14th gen.

 

[phanbuey]

Agreed, the 11.3 multi/single core ratio is close to the 14600K 11.8 and nothing else makes much sense to me. That would mean a 30% single core and 25% multi core improvement from 14th gen.

Remember no HT tho, that pushes that ratio up. 8 Cores with no HT = 6c/12t with HT (roughly)

 

[Outback Bronze]

Remember no HT tho, that pushes that ratio up. 8 Cores with no HT = 6c/12t with HT (roughly)

Just did a test with my everyday 14900K with no HT @ 5.8Ghz and 16x E cores @ 4.4 to compare or at least figure out what's going on lol

 

[phanbuey]

Just did a test with my everyday 14900K with no HT @ 5.8Ghz and 16x E cores @ 4.4 to compare or at least figure out what going on lol

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13700k with ht ON

HT off I get about 10K MT - so roughly ~11.5 ratio. Doesn't seem like this is the 16E configuration. Would make sense if the ST is 25% faster for this to be i5. Probably an overclocked i5...

If the i5 can clock to this performance im definitely in for arrow lake.

 

[InVasMani]

If this is the i5 it's pretty impressive relative to last generation from Intel it's a sizable leap to ST performance. The MT does take a bit of a dip, but honestly I really don't think the average consumer will care about the trade off. The fanboys that have touted how great X3D on the other hand will probably criticize it plenty, but that's surprising. If it is the i5 then the i7 really shouldn't be any worse on MT than 14700K is now, but with a good jump in ST.

I think also based on this chances are you can drop a P core multiplier to make more headroom to raise a E core multiplier if you really want more MT conversely. At least I would hope that works better than it does with 14th gen and really should be slightly better at that with the changes.

These will probably sort of suck in relative terms for decompression though unfortunately with changes to HT. It'll probably get a bit of performance hit.

 

[Noyand]

IF this is real, it proves once again that very few people got a working crystal ball.
"Arrow lake is a refresh of meteor lake" - someone who shouldn't do business in divination

 

[Outback Bronze]

A 6 core CPU with 8 E cores is looking good. If its single thread is 1143 x 6 = 6858 the rest of the multicore would be the 8 E cores which is a pretty impressive from 8 E cores to get another 6K+
which would be inline from what I've heard/read about a 50%+ improvement from the E core's.

I wasn't expecting so much from the single thread P cores though..

We will see

 

[phanbuey]

If this is the i5 it's pretty impressive relative to last generation from Intel it's a sizable leap to ST performance. The MT does take a bit of a dip, but honestly I really don't think the average consumer will care about the trade off. The fanboys that have touted how great X3D on the other hand will probably criticize it plenty, but that's surprising. If it is the i5 then the i7 really shouldn't be any worse on MT than 14700K is now, but with a good jump in ST.

I think also based on this chances are you can drop a P core multiplier to make more headroom to raise a E core multiplier if you really want more MT conversely. At least I would hope that works better than it does with 14th gen and really should be slightly better at that with the changes.

These will probably sort of suck in relative terms for decompression though unfortunately with changes to HT. It'll probably get a bit of performance hit.

If this is the i5 it's actually about 30% faster in MT than the old i5.

It is likely clocked to it's eyeballs but still -- shows great potential.

 

[SL2]

Which processor? Stock, water cooled overclock, on chiller, LN2? Without any details this information tells us right about nothing.

Engineering sample is enough info for me.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Сore ultra. What about new name scheme of intel without "i"?

 

[P4-630]

"i"

The "i" went back to Steve Jobs...

 

[Nanochip]

Only thing we know about Lion cove for certain right now is that the version in lunar lake lacks hyperthreading. We don’t know if the version in arrow lake has or does not have hyperthreading.

 

[phanbuey]

Only thing we know about Lion cove for certain right now is that the version in lunar lake lacks hyperthreading. We don’t know if the version in arrow lake has or does not have hyperthreading.

Why do you say that -- arrow lake has been heavily rumored to lack HT for months now.

 

[Assimilator]

Only thing we know about Lion cove for certain right now is that the version in lunar lake lacks hyperthreading. We don’t know if the version in arrow lake has or does not have hyperthreading.

No, we absolutely do know that HyperThreading is dead in Intel CPUs going forward.

 

[Daven]

Well this is getting exciting and I am potentially wrong about Arrow Lake IPC if these performance numbers are true.

Granite Ridge vs Arrow Lake is gonna be an interesting match up.

 

[ratirt]

If it is a 6c12t CPU that is pretty good. Although other aspects are missing like cooling solution, power consumption etc. but, the sheer performance is good.

 

[bonehead123]

Promises, promises....the main thing that Intel is actually good at delivering...

Until we see some REAL world tests with REAL non-ES chips, it's all a bunch of confabulated hooey hogwash IMO

 

[phanbuey]

Promises, promises....the main thing that Intel is actually good at delivering...

Until we see some REAL world tests with REAL non-ES chips, it's all a bunch of confabulated hooey hogwash IMO

I mean this is a real benchmark. ES chip benchmarks are usually a pessimistic indicator of actual performance, they typically improve performance from ES. This isn't an intel propaganda slide.

 

[Tomorrow]

This is pure Intel vs Intel test. Don't bother comparing this to Zen 5 or any AMD architecture as CPU-Z has always strongly favored Intel.
For example Zen 5 vs Zen 4 is supposed to be 19% faster but still at ~910 points: https://www.techpowerup.com/322906/...formance-at-5-80-ghz-found-19-over-zen-4?cp=2

Also other benchmarks show Zen 5 being 55% faster compared to 13900K:

AMD's new Zen 5 chip up to 55% faster than Intel's Core i9-13900K in leaked benchmark — AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X purportedly shines in AVX workloads

Ryzen 9000 'Granite Ridge' processors are scheduled to launch in July.

www.tomshardware.com

The truth is that while it's fun to speculate we wont know the full performance breakdown until end of the year. Perhaps not even until Q2 2025 if Zen 5 X3D launches that late.
There are too many variables in these leaks like ES, non-final clocks, unknown cooling, unknown memory configuration that can all affect the accuracy of the results.
If one source leaked both Zen 5 and Arrow Lake-S benches with same cooling and same RAM/Speed then it would be more representative but this rarely happens that someone gets a hold of both ES near final or even qualification chips and knows how to test properly.

 

[marios15]

25%? Maybe it's time to rewrite the benchmark... Oh wait it's intel so it's fine to be faster in some workloads