I'm comparing CPUs at the same category (i7 / r7) and the same MSRP. Yes, you described exactly what Intel does, it offers 16 cores instead of AMD's 8, that's why Intel is both faster and more efficient. So I should buy the 7700x over the 13700k, why? Because it has less cores? Is that a good thing? Cause you make it sound like it's a good thing, lol.
I opened it on my 6900hs. 35w TDP. Sure, it hits 80w.
What about my 5600h? TDP 45, hits 65.
What about my 5800u? 25w max tdp, hits 45.
Efficiency is a performance per watt metric. MSRP has noting to do with it. We are comparing the respective mainstream platforms and the MSRP also has very little to do with their real prices anyway, just like intel official TDP
No one said vendors are not allowed to do the same with AMD chips, just that you cannot use TDP to measure efficiency in any shape or form, as most benchmark numbers on the internet are done on unlocked power limits. Also, provide some evidence for your numbers, as i have bought many AMD machines and they were all reaching above average performance (compared to online results in benchmarks like cinebench and geekbench) on platforms with enforced TDP (chinese machines, huawei laptops and minisforum mini pc)
Now, to provide some actual evidence i use a platform i trust, notebookcheck. The
Minisforum 5600h machine sticks to apparent 42w power limit and outperforms their
12900h one by the same vendor in all but synthetic heavily multithreaded scenarios.
Again, you bring out stuff that doesn't matter in the initial discussion, and keep failing.
Very honest indeed
That's why they totally don't take anti-competitive measures the second their product takes a clear lead. By which metric is AMD tiny again? Their market cap is more than twice that of Intel.
Mine does too. I think it's got something to do with that 1.35*TDP for PPT rule (which effectively makes it a 60W processor).
Yeah, show me some evidence, like european lawsuits for anti competitive behaviour. You are young and never heard of pentium4, i guess.
Hey, take a look at wikipedia!
Number of employees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD 26.000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel 124,800
Total assets: AMD 68 billion, intel 190 billion
Using market cap to compare company size? Like what, i will say a Ferrari is bigger than a truck because it cost more? Yeah.
It seems that you are confusing the TDP with the PL2. The TDP is only a valid metric if you aren't using an unlimited PL2 and got the CPU running at the PL1 (rated the same as the TDP) after 56 seconds. The catch is that lot of "motherboard auto" settings went for unlimited PL2
. Puget did a test with the I9 running with the real default spec, there didn't measure the power draw, but they lost 40~30°c compared to the motherboard settings. AFAIK There's not laptop outhere that can handle an unlimited PL2
But yhea, saying that Intel CPUs will always run way beyond the PL2, even when it's manually set by the user is the take of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. There's lot of people in the SFF community that are tuning their i9 for low power and cool it with a low profile air cooler with sucess.
Again, the initial point was made from the user that said intel cpus stick to their PL2 and TDP out of the box.
I never said anything like never or always about intel not enforcing their tdp, as that is not "intel" that controls it, i am talking about what actually happens in most consumer products, like very common Apple laptops, and i even stated that some business laptopt will actually respect the intel limits.
Most machines will not, either just ignoring the PL and going with the thermal limit, or enforcing a higher tier PL2 with no prompt, running i9 9900 non K with unlimited Pl2: i now clearly recall having it happen on a gigabyte h310 from a client build, wich resulted in awful efficiency for such a terrible VRM and incurring in VRM temp limit. It was the default behavior, OOB, for that combination, i enforced a 80w limit wich resulted in much better benchmark scores.
I built hundreds of itx systems, thanks. I ran passive i9 and i5, i tested so much stuff in my life, don't worry. And i am very careful and precise with my statements, and answer to actual quotes.
Here is one article i have written on a similar topic, as you migh see english is not my native language but the points still stand:
https://www.pizzaundervolt.com/choosing-a-computer-for-audio-production-laptop/
