The B650E Aorus Stealth Ice is Gigabyte's First Motherboard for AMD CPUs with its Connectors on the Back

[mkppo]

@mkppo see the sticker?

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Yeah I mean, we all know the 6xx supports upcoming 9xxx CPU's there's no argument to be had there. Discussion was whether 8xx motherboards will actually allow higher memory speeds, something that i'm doubtful about but let's wait till release I suppose. As Rv8000 mentioned, getting 8000 to work on x670e is an absolute PITA, but it's very close. Like 7600 is easily doable, but that extra 400mhz boosts performance considerably because the IF comes up to the standard 2000mhz. So if by any chance the 8xx motherboards do overclock better on the motherboard front or there are actually decent 2 dimm options outside of the impossible to find tachyon and ugly looking gene, i'll just get one. X870 Tachyon ICE looks great, let's hope it's actually available this time around.

 

[rv8000]

Yeah I mean, we all know the 6xx supports upcoming 9xxx CPU's there's no argument to be had there. Discussion was whether 8xx motherboards will actually allow higher memory speeds, something that i'm doubtful about but let's wait till release I suppose. As Rv8000 mentioned, getting 8000 to work on x670e is an absolute PITA, but it's very close. Like 7600 is easily doable, but that extra 400mhz boosts performance considerably because the IF comes up to the standard 2000mhz. So if by any chance the 8xx motherboards do overclock better on the motherboard front or there are actually decent 2 dimm options outside of the impossible to find tachyon and ugly looking gene, i'll just get one. X870 Tachyon ICE looks great, let's hope it's actually available this time around.

You’re gonna need to find one of those imaginary retailer/e-tailers if not you’re not a Japan resident!

/s

I’m looking forward to any kind of memory/IF improvements. Won’t be too long now, hoping that 2400mhz IF rumor is true or even semi viable as it opens up some fun opportunities for overclocking. MSI ASUS and Gigabyte all need to step up this generation, even a Formula from ASRock would be neat.

 

[mkppo]

You’re gonna need to find one of those imagery retailer/e-tailers if not you’re not a Japanese resident!

/s

I’m looking forward to any kind of memory/IF improvements. Won’t be too long now, hoping that 2400mhz IF rumor is true or even semi viable as it opens up some fun opportunities for overclocking. MSI ASUS and Gigabyte all need to step up this generation, even a Formula from ASRock would be neat.

Yeah we really need more 1 DPC boards with hella optimized traces and memory power delivery. The Tachyon and Gene were the only two boards that could reliably do 8000Mhz and I want one with semi decent looks. Sitting on some memory waterblocks and 8000Mhz V2 M dies and just waiting for the 9xxx/8xx. The mere fact that 1DPC boards had a tangible advantage with memory overclocking shows that there is indeed an advantage to two daisy chained slots as opposed to the majority of T top 4 DIMM boards.

With 64GB memory kits widely available now, those 1 DPC boards are pretty viable and I wonder why more manufacturers aren't making them. The vast majority of people use 2 slots anyway.

 

[Totally]

Which is why there's a link to a list of compatible chassis.

Don't see any case on that list that would let someone use that HMDI.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Don't see any case on that list that would let someone use that HMDI.

Are you for real?

This case wont work? This is the 6500X. All the Corsair cases on the list work with rear connect boards.

There are other cases from Asus, MSI, and few newer Phanteks too that arent on that list that are made specifically for these kinds of boards too

 

[Synthwave]

And why are we still keeping the M.2 slots on the top surface, as opposed to putting them with all the other connectors? For that matter, why isn't the chipset on the bottom surface too?

To have proper air-flow above them, so they can be cooled adequatly?

Proprietary BS seems to be this year's bright idea from the intellectually bankrupt hardware vendors, because that's a lot easier then actually innovating. Probably "AI" told them to do it... pity it didn't tell them that the only reason the PC ecosystem works is because it's non-proprietary.

Apple seems to be doing juuuust fine. Trillion dollar sham.

 

[Assimilator]

Trust me, that layout wouldn't work. You'd get a metric ton of crosstalk and interference and the boards wouldn't pass EMI testing. I have been involved in enough board design projects to know that what you're proposing above isn't feasible.

It's a 5-minute Paint hack job to illustrate an idea not a final product, gimme a break!

I fully agree that this should've been in a more organised manner, but as the four big motherboard makers refuse to sit down in the same room to discuss things like this, this is what we get. Intel is no longer running the show and mandate form factors, which is also why we're stuff with ATX, instead of having started over fresh with something that is a bit more thought out. However, if you think you can get these companies to meet up and agree on a common standard, the world would owe you a favour.

I don't, but I can dream. This BTW is why we need companies like AMD and Intel to step up and take ownership here, ideally there would be a group involving both those companies and the motherboard manufacturers whereby everyone gets to discuss their radical new ideas for ATX, but Intel and AMD are the ones who make the final decision on ratifying those new ideas into the standard.

To have proper air-flow above them, so they can be cooled adequatly?

With that much heatsink surface area, ordinary convection will suffice.

 

[Synthwave]

With that much heatsink surface area, ordinary convection will suffice.

The emphasis on adequatly. Especially for PCIe 5.0 drives.

 

[TheLostSwede]

It's a 5-minute Paint hack job to illustrate an idea not a final product, gimme a break!

Obviously I understand that, but there is a reason why connectors are placed where they are on a PCB, most of the time at least. This is also why there needs to be a certain distances between parts/components and why we're moving away from through hole components as speeds increase.

I don't, but I can dream. This BTW is why we need companies like AMD and Intel to step up and take ownership here, ideally there would be a group involving both those companies and the motherboard manufacturers whereby everyone gets to discuss their radical new ideas for ATX, but Intel and AMD are the ones who make the final decision on ratifying those new ideas into the standard.

Intel, has if anything, stepped back and let its partners have free reign. Up until about a decade ago, Intel was very much involved in all of this, proposing new platforms like the NUC and the Ultrabook, but this isn't happening to any greater extent any more. AMD has never had much of a say and have mainly followed what Intel has done, with the exception of the DTX form factor which was a major commercial failure. Even VIA with mini-ITX has had more success when it comes to steering the industry than AMD. I guess Intel's most recent attempt was a huge failure too, as no-one really adopted 12VO outside of what appears to be a handful of corporate products, but like BTX.

 

[Assimilator]

Obviously I understand that, but there is a reason why connectors are placed where they are on a PCB, most of the time at least. This is also why there needs to be a certain distances between parts/components and why we're moving away from through hole components as speeds increase.

See, this is why I'm just a lowly software developer.

Intel, has if anything, stepped back and let its partners have free reign. Up until about a decade ago, Intel was very much involved in all of this, proposing new platforms like the NUC and the Ultrabook, but this isn't happening to any greater extent any more. AMD has never had much of a say and have mainly followed what Intel has done, with the exception of the DTX form factor which was a major commercial failure. Even VIA with mini-ITX has had more success when it comes to steering the industry than AMD. I guess Intel's most recent attempt was a huge failure too, as no-one really adopted 12VO outside of what appears to be a handful of corporate products, but like BTX.

Yeah that was about the same time they started going off the rails as a company in general. It's sad, I really miss the firing-on-all-cylinders Intel of Sandy Bridge days.

 

[Xajel]

I hope all manufacturers stop this immediately and go back to the drawing board to make an actual standard for this.

I mean you buy one now and in two years, you can't upgrade or replace your case or motherboard because everything changed !!

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I hope all manufacturers stop this immediately and go back to the drawing board to make an actual standard for this.

I mean you buy one now and in two years, you can't upgrade or replace your case or motherboard because everything changed !!

That doesnt make any sense

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

I hope all manufacturers stop this immediately and go back to the drawing board to make an actual standard for this.

I mean you buy one now and in two years, you can't upgrade or replace your case or motherboard because everything changed !!

 

[CheapMeat]

What's even the point of making this ATX? There's so many boards pretty much going this same layout route too. ATX seems to be seriously dead consumer wise. Everything coming out are just glorified abominations of mATX with brain rot prices to match especially when compared to the high-end options of yesteryears. Even many so called "HEDT" platform ATX & EATX boards are getting this B.S. treatment, which is just a massive slap in the face for the price points they are at now; a big F.U. to versatility & true connectivity.

(not talking about the backside connectors)

 

[ypsylon]

I seriously don't get it. How big market these boards aiming to carve.

You raising the price of the board by adding extra complication and circuitry. You adding extra incompatibility in certain use cases - e.g.: cannot put old board which is no longer used for "GAMING" to work in different case, say as storage home server on the cheap. No workstation/server case can fit board like this. On top of this this whole worthless bloat. Waste of resources.

I support interesting innovation - example: adding extra pinouts slots to x16 PCIe for power hungry GPUs (like Asus showed couple years ago and it was DoA). This backward ports idea is completely pointless. Even few WS boards who had M.2 at the back - perfect place to fry your NAND, even at Gen.3.

 

[ARF]

I seriously don't get it.

I hear you. I will tell you. The thing is that gigabyte has never been one of the smarter brands, actually quite the opposite. Avoid if you wish.

 

[The8B]

Here's an overview of this motherboard (use translate). One thing i was curious about is what audio codec it uses. It's the ALC897 and based on the io panel connections things are a bit limited there.

 

[Erazor6000]

Does this matter a lot? As far as I know, the ALC897 is completely enough for low- to mid-range headphones and speakers.

Aren't expensive headsets with built-in ALC 1200/4080 and not using the motherboard's codec?

 

[The8B]

Yes, it's more than enough for most people really. It's more that they don't even care to put it in the spec sheet, like they used to!

 

[Assimilator]

Does this matter a lot? As far as I know, the ALC897 is completely enough for low- to mid-range headphones and speakers.

Aren't expensive headsets with built-in ALC 1200/4080 and not using the motherboard's codec?

Honestly the audio solution on motherboards is mostly irrelevant nowadays. If you use USB speakers or a wireless headset those already have their own audio processing, you can buy USB-to-line-in-line-out dongles for a few bucks with the same, and most audiophiles have their own DACs anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if we see on-board audio return to being completely basic solutions like the ALC897, going forward across the industry - and I'm all for it.