AMD Delays Launch of Ryzen 9000 Series Processors

[Darkholm]

My bet are "defective" I/O parts on CPUs and they will be replaced with fresh units. "Defective" units will be re-binned at the factories and those which can pass will be released back to market in later weeks.

Looks like AMD cannot have smooth Zen CPU line-up launch, except Zen+

Zen1 - MBO OEM BIOS issues + RAM incompatibility
Zen+ - SMOOTH operator
Zen2 - BIOS issues, AutoOC/Boost issues
Zen3 - X370/B350 MBO Bios updates held 18 months
Zen4 - look at Zen1
Zen5 - delay due to lesser level of QA

 

[AusWolf]

How do you do QA on units that have already shipped out? Weird.

 

[ratirt]

How bout that.
I think this is not a coincidence. Intel has torn his reputation, reliability with the 13th and 14th gen deteriorating. AMD recalls processors for testing and thus delaying the launch.
Kinda seems to me AMD wants to show to the public they are not like Intel. I mean guys. Come on, it is not a damn coincidence?

How do you do QA on units that have already shipped out? Weird.

Ship them back in the facility and do it. Not really rocket science.

 

[Tek-Check]

How do you do QA on units that have already shipped out? Weird.

You do QC, on products.

I think this is not a coincidence. Intel has torn his reputation, reliability with the 13th and 14th gen deteriorating. AMD recalls processors for testing and thus delaying the launch. Kinda seems to me AMD wants to show to the public they are not like Intel. I mean guys. Come on, it is not a damn coincidence?

Reading a little bit too much into it.

 

[fevgatos]

How do you do QA on units that have already shipped out? Weird.

Maybe they don't, they just had to delay for other reasons and used this reasoning to show they are better than Intel. It's a nice marketing win without having to directly attack Intel, it's genius. Maybe the GPU department at amd should be taking notes.

 

[Tek-Check]

Because besides the 9950x which is obviously going to the be the fastest full stop the bulk of the sales which are the midrange are kinda lacking. 9600x vs 13600k and 9700x vs 13700k, yeah, doesn't look good for amd. With or without the intel fixes.

AMD rather competes against their own CPUs from previous generation in DIY space, plus there is growing shift in online gaming providers towards AMD systems and away from unstable Intel systems. They will sell tones of Zen4 and Zen5 systems as those are already perceived to be more reliable.

Yea
AMD is waiting for Intel 's so-called "fix" to drop
Then having the 9950x smashing the handicapped 14900k (By Intel's own-doing)

I don't think they care when the 'fix' would drop. AMD is doing their own thing here.

 

[AusWolf]

Ship them back in the facility and do it. Not really rocket science.

Yeah, but how do you know that they're faulty? They have already passed QA and shipped out.

 

[fevgatos]

AMD rather competes against their own CPUs from previous generation

Sure, lol.

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah, but how do you know that they're faulty? They have already passed QA and shipped out.

Depends on the issues, it could simply be something like them not clocking high enough on 1c boost or all core boost in some cases.

I don't think they care when the 'fix' would drop. AMD is doing their own thing here.

Still think it's all smoke & mirrors!

 

[fevgatos]

Depends on the issues, it could simply be something like them not clocking high enough on 1c boost or all core boost in some cases. Still think it's all smoke & mirrors!

But how would they know AFTER shipping?

 

[R0H1T]

You do know they have batch numbers/codes right?

Looks like AMD cannot have smooth Zen CPU line-up launch, except Zen+

That's because they're releasing new chips almost each gen, Zen+ was a respun Zen, not like Intel who just add more clocks for 3 gens or more cores for 5(6?) gens & sell them as something (r)evolutionary

 

[fevgatos]

You do know they have batch numbers/codes right?

Obviously, the question is why would they ship them in the first place?

That's because they're releasing new chips almost each gen, Zen+ was a respun Zen, not like Intel who just add more clocks for 3 gens or more cores for 5(6?) gens & sell them as something (r)evolutionary

Yeap, adding more cores is suddenly bad after Intel started doing it and amd stopped

 

[CyberBuddha]

I think there is no problem and AMD want to be the shoulder that Intel owners cry on when their cpu's get nerfed...

That's exactly as you said, marketing move which should convince Intel users which are on the fence to move over to AMD. It's all about market share Nice trick tho.

 

[ratirt]

Yeah, but how do you know that they're faulty? They have already passed QA and shipped out.

Nobody says these are faulty. It was said, how I understand, the CPUs have not gone through the entire check up process or a QC test and AMD wants them back so they go through the entire process. Nobody said these are faulty. They are not but it is better to be safe than sorry. And if it happens that some of these are faulty, AMD will pull a paper saying they have been checked and they have passed the QC check.

 

[R0H1T]

Can't say why but it could be something really minute which could've been solved with a BIOS update, but after Intel's trying to commit seppuku they probably don't want to dull the blade with their own missteps

 

[ratirt]

Yeap, adding more cores is suddenly bad after Intel started doing it and amd stopped

Adding more ecores not regular cores. These are not the same. No one said it is bad to add cores but put a stamp on the CPU just by adding 4 mediocre ecores to the mix is not revolutionary.

 

[fevgatos]

Adding more ecores not regular cores. These are not the same. No one said it is bad to add cores but put a stamp on the CPU just by adding 4 mediocre ecores to the mix is not revolutionary.

Yeah, pretty unbiased opinion. Those mediocre ecores on their own give more MT performance than a 7700x, a cpu that launched for 399....

 

[Crackong]

I don't think they care when the 'fix' would drop. AMD is doing their own thing here.

Maybe.

I think the situation is rather simple:

Intel PR : Hey we got problem.
Intel Engineer: It is Okay we got this microcode update, but it will tank the performance.
Intel PR : Let's do it after the AMD launch.

AMD :

 

[ratirt]

Yeah, pretty unbiased opinion. Those mediocre ecores on their own give more MT performance than a 7700x, a cpu that launched for 399....

I cheer for Intel to skip the pcores whatsoever if the ecores are so great. As it turns out, now Intel skips ecores so that should tell you something. Question is, does it?
Which CPU you compare the 7700x to?

 

[fevgatos]

Maybe.

I think the situation is rather simple:

Intel PR : Hey we got problem.
Intel Engineer: It is Okay we got this microcode update, but it will tank the performance.
Intel PR : Let's do it after the AMD launch.

AMD :

The real question I have is why delay the 9950x? Isn't it better to launch your halo product first? That's what people want to see.

I cheer for Intel to skip the pcores whatsoever if the ecores are so great. As it turns out, now Intel skips ecores so that should tell you something. Question is, does it?
Which CPU you compare the 7700x to?

It's offtopic, it's fine, you don't like ecores, we agree to disagree. Let's stay on the topic.

 

[ratirt]

The real question I have is why delay the 9950x? Isn't it better to launch your halo product first? That's what people want to see.

Speak for yourself. I will tell you why. Intel releases CPUs AMD will compete with later. If AMD has confidence these are great and can beat the competition, they will do so to have side by side comparison in the market space to increase sales of the product, cutting off the competitor as well. That is one reason but there are more.

 

[Darkholm]

That's because they're releasing new chips almost each gen, Zen+ was a respun Zen, not like Intel who just add more clocks for 3 gens or more cores for 5(6?) gens & sell them as something (r)evolutionary

Of course, but nevertheless, obviously cannot went without hiccups

 

[fevgatos]

Speak for yourself. I will tell you why. Intel releases CPUs AMD will compete with later. If AMD has confidence these are great and can beat the competition, they will do so to have side by side comparison in the market space to increase sales of the product, cutting off the competitor as well. That is one reason but there are more.

Well what competition are the 9600x and 9700x going to be beating? They are still 6 and 8 core parts. They are going to be slower than the 13600k and the 13700k,and not by a small margin

It's in the high end that amd has the advantage so I don't get why theyd delay that.

 

[ratirt]

It's offtopic, it's fine, you don't like ecores, we agree to disagree. Let's stay on the topic.

Dont derail off topic and keep you facts straight and give concrete comparison with sufficient information so that wont be necessary

Well what competition are the 9600x and 9700x going to be beating? They are still 6 and 8 core parts. They are going to be slower than the 13600k and the 13700k,and not by a small margin

It's in the high end that amd has the advantage so I don't get why theyd delay that.

We will see how it goes performance wise. I gave you a reason. There are more. Think a little bit. I'm not a crystal ball but I can think of reasons. What these actually are, you will now later when these are released.

 

[ARF]

The real question I have is why delay the 9950x? Isn't it better to launch your halo product first? That's what people want to see.

Probably it will be ready later.
This is a manufacturing question.

Speak for yourself. I will tell you why. Intel releases CPUs AMD will compete with later. If AMD has confidence these are great and can beat the competition, they will do so to have side by side comparison in the market space to increase sales of the product, cutting off the competitor as well. That is one reason but there are more.