AMD Readies Radeon RX 7400 and RX 7300 Based on "Navi 33" Silicon

[btarunr]

AMD is rumored to be readying two new entry-level desktop GPU models in the Radeon RX 7000 series. These are the RX 7400 and the RX 7300, which probably succeed the RX 6500 XT and RX 6400, respectively. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the two are the silicon they're based on. Apparently, AMD is carving the two out from its 6 nm "Navi 33," the same chip it uses for its Radeon RX 7600 and RX 7600 XT SKUs.

The "Navi 33" monolithic silicon is based on the RDNA 3 graphics architecture, and has 16 workgroup processors (WGPs), or 32 compute units (CU), worth 2,048 stream processors, 64 AI accelerators, 32 Ray accelerators, 128 TMUs, and 64 ROPs. The silicon is maxed out in the RX 7600 and RX 7600 XT, and we haven't seen anything to suggest the existence of a desktop RX 7500, which means the RX 7400 and RX 7300 could be heavily cut down from the chip, with AMD reducing not just the CU count, but even the 128-bit GDDR6 memory bus width.



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[the54thvoid]

These sound underwhelming. Destined for OEM builds? You know, for when supermarket chains call their $/£400 PC's 'Gaming Rigs.'

 

[Launcestonian]

If these are priced competitively with Intel's A310 / A380 cards, they will be worth considering.

 

[john_]

I can see an RX 7500 when and if RX 6600 stops being produced. Until then I guess RX 7300 will be an A380 competitor and RX 7400 a good RX 6400/6500 replacement somewhere at $150.

 

[pavle]

If these use 1024 and 768 stream processors out of 2048 to save the 1536 spot for RX 7500 then the only thing that can help them is more VRAM than RX 6400's 4GB.

 

[AusWolf]

These sound underwhelming. Destined for OEM builds? You know, for when supermarket chains call their $/£400 PC's 'Gaming Rigs.'

It wouldn't surprise me... unless they suffer the same fate as the RX 6300.

 

[john_]

If these use 1024 and 768 stream processors out of 2048 to save the 1536 spot for RX 7500 then the only thing that can help them is more VRAM than RX 6400's 4GB.

A possible RX 7500 might have 1792 stream processors as the typical 6600. If it goes lower on stream processors, then we could also expect a lower price, like $179 for example.

Even if 7400 and 7300 use only 1024 and 768 stream processors, I expect that they wouldn't be limited to 4 PCIe lanes, as the 6000 series.

 

[_roman_]

A waste of sand. Even older games struggle with less "gaming power" as a Radeon 6600XT in WHQD. I tested a few cards for quite a while to see the current driver quality and performance in 2023. I usually play the free games from the EPIC Games Store or those garbage give away games wiht AMD hardware (the last of us part 1, star wars jedi survivor, avatar pandora)

Details:
I used a NVIDIA 960 GTX 4GB in 2023 for at least two months as main graphic card. (I was interested in the NVIDIA driver quality in 2023. I was interested in the performance in the lower end. Card can not be used for anything. For GNU Linux you want a Radeon. Windows operating system takes much longer to boot as the nvidia gpu with the older and newer vbios initializes the screen twice which costs around 5 seconds at least. Driver did not improve with the 600 Nvidia series. A lot of issues with the linux kernel in gnu linux. A hassle to use a Nvidia card basically in gnu linux)

I used the Ryzen 7600X processor graphics with lots of VRAM in 2023. (good for desktop use - struggles with basically anything)
I build my box on purpose with 64GiB RAM. So I had spare for the processor graphics when needed. I believe the processor graphic is sufficient for windows 11 pro and gnu linux desktop tasks.

I used for around two years a RADEON 6600 XT. (I bought it fresh - was a decent card for gaming as the mining boom was going on)

I had for a few months the Radeon 6800 non XT. (I bought a MSI Card which had some hardware flaws with the fan curve and the fan design - bad luck - bad windows and gnu linux driver - clock issues and therefore high power draw issue)

For quite a while I have the Powercolor Radeon 7800XT hellhound - basically an entry gaming card for WHQD.

 

[Rexter]

Lets hope they are not cut down too much, the low-end segment really needs a good adrenaline kick.
A tiny bit off topic, but I dont understand why AMD and Nvidia dont "just" use mobile gpus in the lower end desktop gpu segment? To me that seems like a no-brainer.

 

[Hyderz]

i wonder how these would compare with its igpu

 

[Chaitanya]

If these are priced competitively with Intel's A310 / A380 cards, they will be worth considering.

As long as AMD doesnt cull AV1 capabilities like they did with RX6500 and 6400 previously.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

You've gotta be kidding me.

Guttural reactions aside, I could look forward to the 7300 being a prospective display adapter to further bury the dusty ass GT1030 and add some spicy competition to the Arc A310. The 7400 might do okay as a slap-in card for SFF office PCs or for uber-tiny emulation boxes if they manage to spec it with 96-bit/6GB or somesuch.

 

[AusWolf]

Lets hope they are not cut down too much, the low-end segment really needs a good adrenaline kick.
A tiny bit off topic, but I dont understand why AMD and Nvidia dont "just" use mobile gpus in the lower end desktop gpu segment? To me that seems like a no-brainer.

Do you remember the RX 6400 and 6500 XT that the entirety of the world's IT media defecated all over? That's probably why.

 

[john_]

A tiny bit off topic, but I dont understand why AMD and Nvidia dont "just" use mobile gpus in the lower end desktop gpu segment? To me that seems like a no-brainer.

AMD done that. Tech press AND users attacked AMD in every way possible. Even today they point the finger at AMD and call the RX 6500XT as the worst graphics card ever created (ignoring all the bad cards from Nvidia).
So, that "no-brainer" as you called it, must come from Nvidia. Only then tech press and users will praise it.
And Nvidia will never do it. Nvidia needs to move prices higher for better profit margins because iGPUs are becoming relatively too strong covering the needs of most consumers. Nvidia mobile GPUs covering the sub $150 market are a very difficult puzzle. If they are too weak consumers will not be happy. If they are good products, consumers might lose interest for cards like the 4060.

 

[AusWolf]

i wonder how these would compare with its igpu

To match them with the 768 shaders in the 8700G iGPU, they'd have to fuse 3/4 of the chip off, which would be a huge waste. I highly doubt that much of the chip can be defective considering that more than a year has passed since the release of the full variant without any previous indication of others in existence. IMO, around 1280-1536 shaders would be likely, at least, if not more, with more than double the 8700G's power.

 

[Vincero]

If they are derivative of the same chip used for the 7600 series then at the very least these 7400/7300 (when compared to the low end 6400/6500) look more likely to retain a better PCIe bus width instead of being stuck with just PCIe x4 lane support.
When being used with older (e.g. PCIe v3) chipsets, 8x vs 4x would help a bit, especially as these cards would likely have not huge amounts of VRAM. Unlikely to see PCIe 3 systems you say?? Well, lets not forget AMD are still promoting AM4 and low-end gimped Cezanne/Renoir dies with no working iGPU will still only have PCIe v3 capability.

 

[Fourstaff]

I wonder if this decision has anything to do with their binning strategy. 7600 was released half a year ago, plenty of time for AMD to collect sufficient defective parts to launch these sort of products.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

AMD done that. Tech press AND users attacked AMD in every way possible. Even today they point the finger at AMD and call the RX 6500XT as the worst graphics card ever created

By "attacked" you mean "rightfully criticized" your lord and savior AMD for releasing a card that underperformed vs 4 ear old nvidia tech. Immediately after AMD played up how 8GB was obsolete, they then released a 4GB garbage card that was missing functionality was was effectively useless.

(ignoring all the bad cards from Nvidia).

Nobody has done so, stop lying. Not everything has to be about how AMD good, nvidia Bad.

So, that "no-brainer" as you called it, must come from Nvidia. Only then tech press and users will praise it.

Hmmm...nope. 1630 was released and mocked, of course not as badly as the rx 6400, since it didnt suck as much.

And Nvidia will never do it. Nvidia needs to move prices higher for better profit margins because iGPUs are becoming relatively too strong covering the needs of most consumers. Nvidia mobile GPUs covering the sub $150 market are a very difficult puzzle. If they are too weak consumers will not be happy. If they are good products, consumers might lose interest for cards like the 4060.

Does the GT 1030 just not exist in your reality or something?

 

[kapone32]

AMD done that. Tech press AND users attacked AMD in every way possible. Even today they point the finger at AMD and call the RX 6500XT as the worst graphics card ever created (ignoring all the bad cards from Nvidia).
So, that "no-brainer" as you called it, must come from Nvidia. Only then tech press and users will praise it.
And Nvidia will never do it. Nvidia needs to move prices higher for better profit margins because iGPUs are becoming relatively too strong covering the needs of most consumers. Nvidia mobile GPUs covering the sub $150 market are a very difficult puzzle. If they are too weak consumers will not be happy. If they are good products, consumers might lose interest for cards like the 4060.

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Those are the best selling GPUs on Amazon.ca and Newegg.com it shows that budget is still viable but the 3060 is still a very popular card. Probably why Nvidia does not want to really change that. It is not that the 6600 is not a good GPU but the data does show that the price/performance of the 6750XT is real and there are no 4090s in there for at least 25 positions.

If this 7400 can give us even a 6GB frame buffer it will be better received and you know AMD are not going to leave AV1 support out, even though it was a nothing burger. Anything more than that would threaten the 6600/7600. If they are priced right AMD can use it's software stack to make it shine at 1080P with all of those dials they have.

Let's say $199 CAD or about $149 US.

 

[persondb]

If these are priced competitively with Intel's A310 / A380 cards, they will be worth considering.

Are people even buying A310 and/or A380s though? Use cases like media servers are pretty niche since the vast majority of people don't have one.

 

[Chrispy_]

The only reason not to call it a 7500 is because the 6500XT is faster, which instantly makes these very very disappointing.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[john_]

the 3060 is still a very popular card

The most popular card, but Nvidia is ending it. Maybe Nvidia is also preparing a 4050 or a price drop for the 4060.

I was very close in getting a 3060, but the timing didn't worked. I bought an RX 6600 at 180 euros, a price that was looking great when I bought it and wasn't expecting it to go any lower. One month after I bought the RX 6600, the biggest retailer in Greece put on sale the 12GB RTX 3060 at 220 euros. Damn, if I haven't bought the RX 6600 I would have bought the 3060 instantly. 12GBs with acceptable performance for 220 euros THIS period? It's a steal.

 

[Ruru]

Better have 6GB 96-bit VRAM at least. 4GB wasn't just enough anymore with 6500 XT.

 

[kapone32]

The most popular card, but Nvidia is ending it. Maybe Nvidia is also preparing a 4050 or a price drop for the 4060.

I was very close in getting a 3060, but the timing didn't worked. I bought an RX 6600 at 180 euros, a price that was looking great when I bought it and wasn't expecting it to go any lower. One month after I bought the RX 6600, the biggest retailer in Greece put on sale the 12GB RTX 3060 at 220 euros. Damn, if I haven't bought the RX 6600 I would have bought the 3060 instantly. 12GBs with acceptable performance for 220 euros THIS period? It's a steal.

It will probably be a 4050, it is exactly what they did in the laptop space.

 

[DaemonForce]

A waste of sand. Even older games struggle with less "gaming power" as a Radeon 6600XT in WHQD. I tested a few cards for quite a while to see the current driver quality and performance in 2023. I usually play the free games from the EPIC Games Store or those garbage give away games wiht AMD hardware (the last of us part 1, star wars jedi survivor, avatar pandora)

I have to agree with this one, full send. ✔
There's an interesting performance and price point that has to be struck in the lower end market and it breaks down to a few categories:
LIGHT gaming, as in the OLD OLD game server types of systems that are producing a picture and rendering the game in real time
Professional/Security situations where you need to output to several displays at any framerate, basically a multiscreen H.264 render
Low cost provision for SFF PCs or servers that need a picture device for specific tasks that prove absolutely insufferable without acceleration.

a good RX 6400/6500 replacement somewhere at $150.

Nope, too expensive at any price point.

As long as AMD doesnt cull AV1 capabilities like they did with RX6500 and 6400 previously.

Yeah no, I'm immediately suspicious of this one. When is the last time you guys have actually looked at an RX 6400 seriously?

Single HDMI and DP. Does not look like a very capable card and it's probably how my full size RX 580 should have shipped.
You just know first glance that nobody is seriously putting that thing to work.

It's a junk class (minimum performance) accelerator with one of each modern display out for sake of compatibility. That's it.
I've considered it for my rack when the A380 looked like a broken promise and I would have made the jump to it except...

There it is. So what can we expect from the RX 7400 if these are the issues for the previous gen+class?
It's not an encoder card which means OBS is out.
It's not going to play well with most games at 1080p unless LOW settings.
There may be driver related issues just getting certain antique apps to behave.
It's not something you pick up for mission critical work. It's a last resort option for getting a picture without the stank of a GT1030.
I wouldn't want this in a laptop either.