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Steam Survey July 2024 Update: Windows 10 Usage Records Uptick, Windows 11 Drops

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The only way to make every computer user participate is by forced telemetry, which I cannot in good faith agree with.

That's why Steam would never do that. Can you imagine the uproar over Steam snooping through users PCs without permission and reporting their specs in the survey. Even though it's anonymous there would be a file on Steam of each user and their hardware/software? There is a file kept already of the volunteers to ensure that users aren't double represented in the survey. That's how Steam knows not to add your specs if you have not had any hardware/software changes. People would be accusing them of selling the info. They already get enough negative reactions around the net for being a monopoly which is untrue for anyone that even understands what a monopoly really is by definition.
 
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I prefer Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC iot and I expect to until 2032..

My experience of working with Devs in India and elsewhere, is that they do as well.
 
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Yes. Windows 10 is more stable than Windows 11. Games better running on Windows 10 than Windows 11. Bunch of apps and games working on Windows 10 without problem. Same apps and games not working or bad working on Windows 11. Windows 11 is more spying OS than Windows 10.
 
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Yes. Windows 10 is more stable than Windows 11.
No it isn't. The stability is exactly the same.

Games better running on Windows 10 than Windows 11.
That depends on the configuration the system is set up in. Bog standard fresh install Win 10 VS Win 11, the difference is less than 2% in favor of 10. Not something to be concerned about.

Bunch of apps and games working on Windows 10 without problem. Same apps and games not working or bad working on Windows 11.
You have a troubled install of 11.

Windows 11 is more spying OS than Windows 10.
No, it's about the same. What has increased is the number of ads and useless crap that is shown to the user. Easily disabled.
 
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Things like the snipping tool. hit WIN, type 'snip', hit ENTER, click whatever kind of screenshot option you want, Ctrl+C it and Ctrl+V it on TPU. Its fantastic. Even at work, if I have to make a 'how to' document, its a super basic and simple way to get screenshots in there, that works seamlessly with other applications, whatever they are.
¿why type "snip" when you can use win+shift+s which is the shortcut? :D
Also, win+v with the clipboard history is one of my most used features, i could not tell you how many HOURS i've saved when i had to copypaste extensive consecutive text fields
 
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You have a troubled install of 11.
Troubled installation? I received that installation disk as a gift from Dell. I will pass on your conclusion to them and request that they send me a better installation.
(It's a joke)
 
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Win11 has been great for past 2 years after a clean install on my ~4 year old PC. Zero issues, not a single crash in as long as I can remember. Looks better and runs much smoother especially on 165Hz monitor with the much better animations. Back-to-back performance tests I ran at the time were roughly the same as Win10. Having tabs in File explorer is reason enough to keep Win11. The main thing I notice people complain about is the clutter in the taskbar, huh? Just right click on taskbar and turn all that off it's literally the first thing I did.

Wtf are people whining about? Win10 was terrible at launch and everyone hated it, now these idiots are praising it? While I prefer Linux, when it comes to MS the latest Windows OS is their best period.
 
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The only way to get anywhere near accurate numbers is to do a poll where everyone participates and has no reason or incentive to be less than honest. Otherwise, it's just a "Hey, here's what's going on with this limited group of people!" kind of thing.
Random selection is regularly used in surveys and they are still valid. You just need a big enough sample. Short of things like the census, no one is polling everybody.
 
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Microsoft should support Windows 10 for at least another 10 years. Seriously.

Without Windows 10, millions of perfectly usable PCs will become toxic waste for the environment overnight.

The world's big companies need to finally realize that there is no B Planet for us.

Microsoft doesn't really care, plus in some countries it's cheaper being dirty and a waster than being green and environmentally friendly.

Same here, for a lot of green fuel but since the government and EU favor electric cars more then fossil fuels and even hybrids but with major manufactures like Toyota not believing in electric cars and only released the BZ4X here because of pressure and huge fines if they didn't have a electric car it's shit.

Hydrogen cars here like the Toyota Mirai it starts from £70K / 89.5K USD while electric cars like the Toyota BZ4X starts at £37,9K / 48,4K USD and there are cheaper once out there from Citroen, Hyundai, Mazda, MG and Peugoet from between £21,3K / 27,2K USD.

The government here even last year approved a hydrogen taxa project in the capital city but shortly after the taxis was delivered and running the only hydrogen place near by for them closed than this is just great once again shows that only electricity works.

But back to Microsoft I recently read that they where considering and is still working on a cloud based OS, I guess if Microsoft really wants to they just makes it so you have to use their servers to even run Windows so they can always make the changes they want.

Source: https://www.pcworld.com/article/1969519/microsoft-is-working-on-a-cloud-based-windows-os.html
 
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Random selection is regularly used in surveys and they are still valid. You just need a big enough sample. Short of things like the census, no one is polling everybody.
While this seems like logic, there are entire(large) swaths of the public that would not be polled. The survey can not be considered at all accurate until it includes samples from all groups, not just the measly few that opt-in to Steam's limited sampling.

Troubled installation? I received that installation disk as a gift from Dell. I will pass on your conclusion to them and request that they send me a better installation.
(It's a joke)
Whatever problems you are having is limited to your installation. They are not indicative of Windows 11's general experience.
 

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Win11 has been great for past 2 years after a clean install on my ~4 year old PC. Zero issues, not a single crash in as long as I can remember. Looks better and runs much smoother especially on 165Hz monitor with the much better animations. Back-to-back performance tests I ran at the time were roughly the same as Win10. Having tabs in File explorer is reason enough to keep Win11. The main thing I notice people complain about is the clutter in the taskbar, huh? Just right click on taskbar and turn all that off it's literally the first thing I did.

Wtf are people whining about? Win10 was terrible at launch and everyone hated it, now these idiots are praising it? While I prefer Linux, when it comes to MS the latest Windows OS is their best period.
I'm using win11 since 2023 january. I had bluescreens 7-8 and full OS reinstall 2 since(one is because i wiped Edge/IE from everywhere and turns out win11 don't launch/work if you clean out the built in browser(or something had the Edge/IE name in it and that was not the browser)). The 2 good opinion i have with 11 is, i can open multiple tabs in one file manager(i still prefer Total Commander) and i have less system crash that with win10.
At the end of the day i still prefer win 7. (hope we get a Steam OS/or alike for desktop PCs soon)
 
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Screw this Steam survey. It's not accurate at all.
I've been tracing those records for three years and found that those models (among GPUs) which take less than 0.15% don't show up at all, and there are almost seasonal huge changes in manufacturer percentages (this month one grows and next month it falls back to normal). I don't think that's explainable or believable. What? All their users unplug or plug together at the same time monthly?

Yeah, this article should be retracted. A under 1% fluctuation in the Steam survey is basically meaningless, as they have huge seasonal swings, based on user behavior. For example people that use Windows 11 going on vacation on certain months more than people that use Windows 10. And that's also affected by geography, as some geographical areas can use Windows 10 more than Windows 11. Or a new game being launched and being most popular in a geographical area where Windows 10 is used more. Also, even ignoring that the Steam data is almost meaningless when trying to determine short term trends, a slight single month "dip" is not a "trend", as this article claims.

Just look at the "dip" for Windows 11 from 40.59% in Aug 2023 to 31.34% in Oct 2023, then up to 43.54% again in Nov 2023. Almost 10% fluctuations, up and down, for both Windows 10 and 11, over just a few months tells you everything you need to know about drawing conclusions based on this data when there is a less than 1% fluctuation, like last month.

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If Steam would show a graph over time for the operating systems, like the have for other stuff, this issue with their data would be even more obvious. At the very least they should put a disclaimer about not drawing conclusions about the installed base based on their data, so that tech sites that are not familiar with their data, like TPU, do not get (repeatedly) fooled by it.

Anyway, let's do Steam's job and create a graph with their data about Windows 11 vs other OSes over time (I included Windows only, as it was easier to extract the data from the Wayback Machine):

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As a note, the data for May 2024 probably has some errors, since the numbers do not add up to 100%, but they total 100.58% instead for some reason. But compared with the other problems of the data, that's not a big issue.

Other people in this thread said that Steam's data looks very clean. That's not the case at all, at least for the OS data. Just look at those huge spikes in March 2023 and October 2023.
 
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Whatever problems you are having is limited to your installation. They are not indicative of Windows 11's general experience.
In general, today it is more about quantity than quality. It's the same with operating systems. Windows 98 was perfect. Windows XP was also very good. However, the more technology advances, the worse the products get. Something is not right there. It's the same thing in the auto industry. I drive a 21-year-old car (Peugeot 406). Which new car will be drivable in 20 years? They shut down everything that worked. And Linux 10 years ago works better than these new ones (I mean Debian-based systems, because I haven't even used others).
 
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Windows 10 all the way.
 

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Switched to Win11 almost immediately after its release. Win8 has been the only one I've skipped.

I don't see a reason to use a 9-year old OS on my machines except for those where TPM2.0 can't be used.
 
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