AMD Readies Ryzen 5 5500X3D Socket AM4 Processor with 3D V-Cache

[Catscratch]

They should make an X3D dual CCD part just to shut us up

I could've shut up if 5500x3d was a 5ghz baseline chip without SMT. That would suprise me the most

 

[HisDivineOrder]

$199 ?, when you can get the 5700X3D for $210 right now.

Not for long if AMD has anything to say about it?

 

[Guwapo77]

So why can't they be 5600X3D? Are they not able to run at those massive clock speeds?

My son has the 5600X3D in his computer! I replaced his 3600 and its one sweet ass cpu!

It's a no brainer to go 5700x3d for the extra $10 hopefully they will get discount in fact I'd expect the entire lineup to see discounts once 9xxxx3d gets released.

IIRC the 5700X3D was a funky chip that wasn't a true X3D. 5800X3D and 5600X3D were the true versions. I doubt that it matters all that much, but I'd go with the 58 or 56. I'm waiting to see the spec on this 5500X3D.

They should make an X3D dual CCD part just to shut us up

I've been screaming that since the 5800X3D launched - where dafuq is the 5950X3D?

 

[SL2]

My son has the 5600X3D in his computer! I replaced his 3600 and its one sweet ass cpu!

Good for you.

Did you have a question for me, or you just wanted to tell me lol

 

[AsRock]

Not for long if AMD has anything to say about it?

Well i got my 7700X 2 weeks after it was released for $330 and been that or lower since. So yeah wait a few weeks or a month and prices should drop.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

IIRC the 5700X3D was a funky chip that wasn't a true X3D. 5800X3D and 5600X3D were the true versions. I doubt that it matters all that much, but I'd go with the 58 or 56. I'm waiting to see the spec on this 5500X3D.

Nope it was a full X3D chip, just lower binned/lower top speeds vs the 5800x3d exactly the same case as the 5500x3d will be in relation to the 5600x3d

I've been screaming that since the 5800X3D launched - where dafuq is the 5950X3D?

Why? At best case itll perform as well as a 58/78/9800x3d in games and worse case itll perform markedly worse when your having to go across the Infinity Fabric to access the 2nd cache die. Remember how the 7950X3D was barely any better at gaming than the 7800X3D even though it had double the cores AND a benefit in slightly higher top speeds?

AMD would need a rethink/redesign of the IMC on the I/O die and how chips can access caches across each others die or a marked increase in vcache per die to make it worthwhile going across the Infinity Fabric even with the extra latency.

 

[RaceT3ch]

What I'm getting is that it's a failed 5800X3D, that failed the 5600X3D
If the 5700X3D is going to be faster than the 5500X3D I'd expect this thing to only go to 3.9-4GHZ
5600X is 200 AUD here, so I'd expect it to sell for 300, more than the 5700X for 240

I don't like how slow they run though; pretty sure they're getting close to Zen/Zen+ speeds and purely rely on the V-Cache and IPC improvements despite how much they have improved.
At least it's better than the price increase XT models, I won't be surprised if the 5500X3D is faster than the 5800XT.

 

[thesmokingman]

$199 ?, when you can get the 5700X3D for $210 right now.

My kid bought the 7800X3D for $200 at MC not long ago.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Oh I just figured this is getting released to side step the 5600X3D Microcenter exclusivity. AMD knows how the wind be blowin and wants to make sure they have good options for the under $200 crowd.

The 9xxx series is going to be a sales dud (unless there is a refresh in there that takes the lid off the performance) and they're more expensive across the board (to produce and sell).

Probably doesn't cost AMD much to keep churning out Zen 3 / AM4 processors, and they should be both cheap and have decent margins thanks to having paid for their R&D many times over at this point.

 

[Lew Zealand]

IIRC the 5700X3D was a funky chip that wasn't a true X3D. 5800X3D and 5600X3D were the true versions. I doubt that it matters all that much, but I'd go with the 58 or 56. I'm waiting to see the spec on this 5500X3D.

What? That makes no sense.

The 5700X3D is a 5800X3D that runs at 4100 MHz instead of 4500 MHz for 2/3 the price or less. It is in no way less "X3D" than the 5600X3D, 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 7900X3D, and 7950X3D.

 

[Ruru]

What? That makes no sense.

The 5700X3D is a 5800X3D that runs at 4100 MHz instead of 4500 MHz for 2/3 the price or less. It is in no way less "X3D" than the 5600X3D, 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 7900X3D, and 7950X3D.

Exactly. The same chip with just lower clock frequency.

 

[Apocalypsee]

So, people who say AM4 is a dead platform is...dead wrong? It's not a new arch but it's good to know if you still chugging along lower end AM4 have an upgrade path. I find hard to justify moving to AM5 with new RAM and all, and AM4 suits my requirement just fine. I could upgrade to this if the price is low enough. Hard to justify anything if you barely use your PC more than a couple of hours every day. 5700x3D is cheap but again I can't justify upgrade to it

 

[eidairaman1]

It seems AMD won't let AM4 die as long as DDR4 still sells.

Nothing wrong with them selling them

Worth saying, again...

AM4ever!


When/if money allows, I'd love to have all 3-4 of my AM4 builds be X3D. (historically, more cache = longer legs)

Now AMD is just trolling Intel’s constant socket changes with this chip.

So, people who say AM4 is a dead platform is...dead wrong? It's not a new arch but it's good to know if you still chugging along lower end AM4 have an upgrade path. I find hard to justify moving to AM5 with new RAM and all, and AM4 suits my requirement just fine. I could upgrade to this if the price is low enough. Hard to justify anything if you barely use your PC more than a couple of hours every day. 5700x3D is cheap but again I can't justify upgrade to it

I built a system in 21 using a 5800 oem, still has tons of umpf, i could always grab a 5950 for it or a 3D Chip

 

[Minus Infinity]

Why?

To deflect attention from Zen 5 fiasco.

 

[kondamin]

To deflect attention from Zen 5 fiasco.

There is no zen 5 fiasco, its a significant upgrade from last gen
gamers will get their chips in a couple of months and see the extra cache uplift.

people who need a workstation got their upgrade now and the upgrade is good considering the power savings

 

[Minus Infinity]

There is no zen 5 fiasco, its a significant upgrade from last gen
gamers will get their chips in a couple of months and see the extra cache uplift.

people who need a workstation got their upgrade now and the upgrade is good considering the power savings

Really, in what way. For most desktop Windows users it will bring virtually nothing except in a handful of applications like cryptography. It doesn't bring improved power efficiency, it only brings small performance uplifts and is stupidly overpriced. Why would we expect 9800X3D to be magically vastly superior to 7800X3D? If they lift clocks, it'll be faster but use more power. It might be a bit better all round than 7800X3D for non-gaming.

The 9950X might shine the most.

 

[leezhiran]

The orignal 5500s are rejected 5600Gs with dead graphics ,aren't they? So where are these thing come from? Is this indicates AMD is making 5600G3D or something？

 

[kondamin]

Really, in what way. For most desktop Windows users it will bring virtually nothing except in a handful of applications like cryptography. It doesn't bring improved power efficiency, it only brings small performance uplifts and is stupidly overpriced. Why would we expect 9800X3D to be magically vastly superior to 7800X3D? If they lift clocks, it'll be faster but use more power. It might be a bit better all round than 7800X3D for non-gaming.

The 9950X might shine the most.

On closer inspection you are right, I was looking at pbo max and not comparing them stock.
‘quite a few are actually worse than the predecessor.

something tells me software will need to be optimised for the longer pipeline and the wider execution engine

 

[azrael]

Why on the Earth should you need an X3D for a server? Why not slapping 12100F+H610 and calling it a day?

5500X3D, if becomes real, won't be very exciting. 5600X3D is already very low on clocks, any lower will become problematic. 5800X smells like a better choice.

Servers are pretty much synonymous with ECC memory. While you can (finally) use Alder Lake (and probably later) Core processors with ECC memory you're still required to use it with the right motherboard. That would be one with the W680 chipset, and those are far and few between. Not to mention insanely expensive.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I bet @TheLostSwede knows if that's how it works.

From what I know, they don't today, but both them and Nvidia are currently setting up facilities in Taiwan, but neither appears to be doing testing facilities. They have a facility in Penang, Malaysia where they're doing all this today.

 

[Wirko]

I've mentioned half-working V-cache dies before and it was meant as a joke but ... who knows? For one of their cheapest products, AMD must be looking carefully at the bottom of the barrel to see what's left to scavenge, and sure they'll find chips there with only 32 MB cache working. So they do the logical thing and make use of those chips. (Unless they have plans for a 4-core X3D CPU too).

 

[Kaleid]

As long as it's not just 4-core CPU I'm fine with such a release

 

[A Computer Guy]

There is no zen 5 fiasco, its a significant upgrade from last gen
gamers will get their chips in a couple of months and see the extra cache uplift.

people who need a workstation got their upgrade now and the upgrade is good considering the power savings

The media hype train has been pretty aggressive and It is somewhat disappointing that there is this much of a performance regression let alone any performance regression at all which kind of shocked me.
Now is it possible AMD decided not to push the chip to the limit so PBO overclocking continues to look like a useful feature.

Looking at this from another perspective let's say you're coming from Zen3 and prices have had a chance to settle a bit where 9700x pretty much settles down in price where 7700x was then it doesn't look so bad. Clearly though if you are a power point user or rely on virtualization you aren't getting much of an improvement.

Now apply this theoretically to 9950x (which we don't have the numbers for yet). For example I use virtualization every day for work using VMWare. Going from 5950x to 9950x (assuming trends like in the above graph still hold) it seems like I might get next to zero meaningful benefit from upgrading so then why bother? Why bother upgrading to the older 7950x/7950x3d either for minimal gains in this scenario? (disclaimer: to be fair the TPU testing is against Virtual Box not VMWare so the benchmark doesn't exactly reflect the use case)

I wouldn't say this is a fiasco but it's a potential chance for some disappointment in some corner case scenarios.

 

[DaemonForce]

If I felt like retiring my AM4 system to server duty, I'd pick this up.
Don't need high clocks.
Don't need high cores.
Don't need serious multithread.

Do need assloads of L2, L3 and quite possibly 3D cache.
Do need low power ingestion, cool and quiet thermals.
Overclocking is a non-thought in such a case and good.

Sub-$150 would be the right buying price and Sub-$50 the right swap price if this is what I think it is.

 

[Mazer]

Hmm should I buy a 5700x3d for $200+ new cooler or wait for this and possibly pay less? 5700x/5900 is also tempting to upgrade to and use less wattage...