Mindfactory Only Sold a Few Dozen AMD Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X

[gffermari]

AMD should have released 9800X3D, 9950X3D, 9950X and then anything else.
Flagship models first, the rest of the lineup second.
As nVidia does.

 

[rv8000]

AMD should have released 9800X3D, 9950X3D, 9950X and then anything else.
Flagship models first, the rest of the lineup second.
As nVidia does.

If I had to guess it’s down to binning. The X3D variants have always had lower clocks/vcore, so they likely stock up a portion of the better chiplets to go into the X3D variants to meet those lower voltage targets.

 

[RogueSix]

Did you read the article you linked or you just trying for a gotcha moment?



Put the important part in bold. Out of all the games they used to compare against the 5800X3D, I don’t think a single reviewer tested any of the games in AMDs suite that showed a much larger performance gap.

People need to actually read what’s being presented to them. If there’s and outright lie or questionable performance result with the 9000 series, it’s handbrake; afaik AMD has yet to disclosed how they tested Zen5 in their benchmark suite.

Contrary to you, yes, I read the WHOLE article and I did not rip a quote out of context and intentionally obtusely misunderstand a quote just because I don't like what AMD said .

Read the article again. Slowly. Maybe then it will dawn on you what they meant. They only mentioned that the same test suite was used as during a previous test of the 5800X3D. But the 2% comparison absolutely deals with 7800X3D vs. 9700X.

 

[rv8000]

Contrary to you, yes, I read the WHOLE article and I did not rip a quote out of context and intentionally obtusely misunderstand a quote just because I don't like what AMD said .

Read the article again. Slowly. Maybe then it will dawn on you what they meant. They only mentioned that the same test suite was used as during a previous test of the 5800X3D. But the 2% comparison absolutely deals with 7800X3D vs. 9700X.

The point
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Your Head

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I’ll be kind today for the slower folks

No reviewer tested these games. They have large performance delta’s, with or without them it skews the performance average in or out of favor. AMD didn’t lie, you and other’s simply fell for marketing.

Read more slowly next time.

 

[RogueSix]

The point remains that AMD lied. False advertising at its finest.

It is actually a moot point whether they said (first statement) that 9700X vs. 7800X3D is a really close affair or if the 7800X3D is 2% faster than the 9700X (which is still a close call, almost within margin of error).

None of the above is even remotely true. The vast majority of websites out there (except TPU) have concluded that 9700X is ~15% to 20% slower on average in gaming.

AMD LIED. Plain and simple.

 

[Rabit]

Poland shop Morele sold only 8 of new CPUs

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/cpu-sales-last-90-days-data-from-one-shop-in-poland-morele.325532/

 

[R0H1T]

The vast majority of websites out there (except TPU) have concluded that 9700X is ~15% to 20% slower on average in gaming.

So you're saying TPU is lying? You do know unless you have the exact setup, test conditions & hardware you can't reproduce AMD's results? Even if they're exaggerated. And yes AMD does seem to have oversold the gaming numbers at least a little bit.

 

[starfals]

Nobody here even sells them yet lol. Anyways, yeah.. this new generation is only great if you don't own 5800X or X3D and above. Anything under that = this generation is awesome. Might need a few price drops tho

 

[phanbuey]

The point remains that AMD lied. False advertising at its finest.

It is actually a moot point whether they said (first statement) that 9700X vs. 7800X3D is a really close affair or if the 7800X3D is 2% faster than the 9700X (which is still a close call, almost within margin of error).

None of the above is even remotely true. The vast majority of websites out there (except TPU) have concluded that 9700X is ~15% to 20% slower on average in gaming.

AMD LIED. Plain and simple.

These are the same people that made these:

Bruh, you just didn't read the fine print!!

 

[wheresmycar]

I’m not at all surprised by the lackluster performance gains of the 9000-series on a platform that boasts forward-generation support. One would expect at least a modest seasonal performance improvement with each generation to enhance the value of the highly praised AM5 platform's upgradability. While upgrading every generation might not have been the intention, it would have been beneficial if each release offered notable enhancements. This way, future forward-generation releases could provide significant performance boosts, making the overall upgrade path more compelling.

I'm totally with everyone on the "false advertising" uproar. The trust erosion or consumer exploitation never washes well with anyone. These manufacturers should be held to account with a more effective backlash as it seems consumer scrutiny or brand reputation in the negative doesn't seem to stop these guys from BS'ing like theres no tomorrow.

 

[Perseus]

25% slower than what?

1280x720 LOL now show us 640x480

 

[RogueSix]

So you're saying TPU is lying? You do know unless you have the exact setup, test conditions & hardware you can't reproduce AMD's results? Even if they're exaggerated. And yes AMD does seem to have oversold the gaming numbers at least a little bit.

I'm not saying TPU are lying. I said AMD lied. Reading comprehension, please?

TPU, by their own admission, initially screwed up the 7950X3D testing. The reviewer forgot to make sure that the Xbox GameBar was running which is mandatory for correct scheduling on multi CCD AMD X3D CPUs (i.e. 7900X and 7950X3D so far and very likely 9900X3D and 9950X3D as well).
The TPU review was updated after its first date of publishing with the new results. The original conclusion stated that 9700X even beats the 7950X3D in gaming.

Whatever... when one website is the outlier then it makes you wonder about their methodology. I can do that without accusing of them lying. I guess I/we have to assume that their test selection accidentally really favors Zen 5 because TPU are showing the most favorable results for Zen 5 among the mainstream tech sites.

Most reviewers have arrived at similar conclusions as e.g. ComputerBase. The 7800X3D leads the 9700X by 19% (RTX 4090) or 22% (RX 7900 XTX) on average, respectively.

AMD's claims of a close call between 9700X and 7800X3D, or even a 2% lead, were marketing lies. There is no weaseling out of this.

 

[R0H1T]

How's it a lie if you can't prove their tests/results are invalid? The answer's obviously you can't without the exact same test conditions!

were marketing lies.

So you're going from lie to a marketing lie? Maybe you'll retract your statement on the next page

It was an exaggeration & yes totally unnecessary!

 

[maximumterror]

don't understand Intel's fans, why they making waves? You should be happy, due to AMD Intel drops their processor prices

 

[rv8000]

I'm not saying TPU are lying. I said AMD lied. Reading comprehension, please?

TPU, by their own admission, initially screwed up the 7950X3D testing. The reviewer forgot to make sure that the Xbox GameBar was running which is mandatory for correct scheduling on multi CCD AMD X3D CPUs (i.e. 7900X and 7950X3D so far and very likely 9900X3D and 9950X3D as well).
The TPU review was updated after its first date of publishing with the new results. The original conclusion stated that 9700X even beats the 7950X3D in gaming.

Whatever... when one website is the outlier then it makes you wonder about their methodology. I can do that without accusing of them lying. I guess I/we have to assume that their test selection accidentally really favors Zen 5 because TPU are showing the most favorable results for Zen 5 among the mainstream tech sites.

Most reviewers have arrived at similar conclusions as e.g. ComputerBase. The 7800X3D leads the 9700X by 19% (RTX 4090) or 22% (RX 7900 XTX) on average, respectively.

AMD's claims of a close call between 9700X and 7800X3D, or even a 2% lead, were marketing lies. There is no weaseling out of this.

I know you’re trolling at this point, or at least can’t admit you’re wrong, but AMD didn’t lie. It was explicitly said in the article “under the same test scenarios”. In other words, using their suite of games and test systems, which differer from every reviews more so than the reviewers tests setups differ from one another.

Reading comprehension, or so you keep parroting, seems to not be a strength. It’s marketing speak, Intel does it, Nvidia does it, AMD does it. Your lack of reading footnotes and comprehending/analyzing the data they give to you is on you. It’s amazing people keep falling for marketing graphs and hyping themselves up so that anything unreleased it automatically going to leave previous generation parts in the dust because their cherry picked benchmarks, which under their test setup/suite are true.

What is this “most reviewers” nonsense? TPU is the only review i’ve seen with average performance difference, let alone having tested more than 4 games. I’ve looked at kitguru, tpu, guru3d, techspot, toms, and TPU is the only to list an average; most seem to lean close to the ~10% lead the 7800X3D has on average, not 20%.

I think AMD did a poor job with marketing, but have released a good and boring product. Faster than its predecessor on the large average while using significantly less power. Lot’s of headroom for PBO/OC to squeeze out 10-15%+ more performance than the 7700X. Considering the massive frequency deficit in MT workloads its kind of a miracle the 9700X beats the 7700X in any productivity workloads.

 

[Dr_b_]

These parts should have been called 7700Xv2 and 7600Xv2

 

[AVATARAT]

I think AMD did a poor job with marketing, but have released a good and boring product. Faster than its predecessor on the large average while using significantly less power. Lot’s of headroom for PBO/OC to squeeze out 10-15%+ more performance than the 7700X. Considering the massive frequency deficit in MT workloads its kind of a miracle the 9700X beats the 7700X in any productivity workloads.

Don't worry about AMD's marketing
And you're right, there are games that take advantage of cache, but there are also games that take advantage of faster cores or faster RAM, and there not x3D especially with some tuning are ahead.
The x3D has one huge advantage over any other processor (and therein lies its true success) they are plug and play

Here's an example that people don't know, and (well) usually (to) don't care, for understandable reasons.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I bet 7800X3D sale just sky rocketed LOL, people were expecting 9700X to beat 7800X3D both in games and productivities

I'll bet most would have been happy if it just got close to the 7800X3D for gaming and did a lot better on productivity. The fact is it can't even really beat 5800X3D in gaming despite AMD's lies, says enough about the product.

Personally, I wouldn't touch either with a 100' pole.

Personally can I say launching a 6 core cpu in mid 2024 with a near $300 price tag is an insult. 6 core should now only be entry level trash tier pricing. $200 would be a hard sell for me unless it was X3D variant.

I'm guessing the Arrow Lake replacement for the 14400 will wipe the floor with the 9600X across games and productivity, let alone what the 14500/14600 replacements do.

 

[Chaitanya]

the pricing of 9900x and 9950x not encouraging
i found a great deal for 7950x3d for only 450$ which is definitely better in gaming and multitasks than 9900x and cheaper

Those assymetric X3D chips are far too much of a headache for everyday use.

 

[Geofrancis]

These are designed for servers so they lower power consumption and there are specific server workloads where it can do really well. but for desktop there are few applications other than photoshop that can really take advantage of it.

 

[zo0lykas]

I live in the UK no one sells them yet.

How no? Yes they do and doing that for a sometime..

Scan, overclockers, amazon all in stock, btw in scan 9600x now only 269.99

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I don't know why anyone would think that. When AMD themselves said it won't beat the 7800x 3D in gaming?
do people just not care to pay attention anymore?

They do pay attention…in looking for fuel for their AMD hate. We have around 6 or so of them that are the usual suspects.

I hate intel due to their illegal actions and Ngreedia for their many anti consumer actions but i dont go to the reviews of those products just to troll and waste everyone time who are interested in information about this.

Personally, i will wait for the release of the new chipsets and maybe for the X3D parts but as stated by reviews, those CPUs are not as performant in other applications, only on gaming.

 

[Caring1]

The x3D has one huge advantage over any other processor (and therein lies its true success) they are plug and play

Except they are NOT if you expect them to work as designed out of the box if you previously had a single CCD and swapped in a dual CCD processor without doing a clean install.
Core Parking does not always work as the service may not be installed.

 

[T1beriu]

I live in the UK no one sells them yet.

Amazon.co.uk link. It's available at every CPU store countrywide. You won't find it at ASDA or your corner shop.

 

[stimpy88]

AMD's release strategy is a joke. Almost nobody cares for these low-end parts and releasing them like this hurts sales. It doesn't help that AMD lied about their performance, and has been found out.