AMD Readies Ryzen 5 5500X3D Socket AM4 Processor with 3D V-Cache

[redeye]

ah that Rick Astley song, never quits…

“Richard Paul Astley (born 6 February 1966) is an English singer. He gained fame through his association with the production trio Stock Aitken Waterman, releasing the 1987 album Whenever You Need Somebody, which sold 15 million copies worldwide. His debut single "Never Gonna Give You Up" was a No. 1 hit in 25 countries, winning the 1988 Brit Award for Best British Single.[1][2] “

Rick Astley - Wikipedia

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btw the opening paragraph… Nice!

(if this has been mentioned before, i have not read all the comments)

 

[AsRock]

My kid bought the 7800X3D for $200 at MC not long ago.

Sadly our nearest is 200 miles away or i would of got my 2 AMD systems from there too.

 

[Vayra86]

To deflect attention from Zen 5 fiasco.

LOL. Its a fiasco now already. Okay. What was Intel's recent fail then? A nuclear world war?

 

[Assimilator]

I wonder how long AMD will continue to sabotage Zen 5's success with Zen 4.

 

[Palindrome]

I'm wondering what the CCD configuration on this will look like. Cause if it has its cores scattered across two CCDs like the regular 5500, and then has its clock speed reduces as well, I'm not sure tacking on some cache will do all that much to help it? I could be wrong though.

 

[thesmokingman]

LOL. Its a fiasco now already. Okay. What was Intel's recent fail then? A nuclear world war?

Give him a break man, he's trying hard to... hey guys look over here!

 

[sLowEnd]

I'm wondering what the CCD configuration on this will look like. Cause if it has its cores scattered across two CCDs like the regular 5500, and then has its clock speed reduces as well, I'm not sure tacking on some cache will do all that much to help it? I could be wrong though.

It'd probably be just a 5600X3D with lower clocks

 

[Guwapo77]

Good for you.

Did you have a question for me, or you just wanted to tell me lol

You asked why can't they be the 5600X3D...it can't as there is already one. LoL

Nope it was a full X3D chip, just lower binned/lower top speeds vs the 5800x3d exactly the same case as the 5500x3d will be in relation to the 5600x3d

Why? At best case itll perform as well as a 58/78/9800x3d in games and worse case itll perform markedly worse when your having to go across the Infinity Fabric to access the 2nd cache die. Remember how the 7950X3D was barely any better at gaming than the 7800X3D even though it had double the cores AND a benefit in slightly higher top speeds?

AMD would need a rethink/redesign of the IMC on the I/O die and how chips can access caches across each others die or a marked increase in vcache per die to make it worthwhile going across the Infinity Fabric even with the extra latency.

This video is what I remembered from months ago and why I stated the 5700X3D wasn't worth it. However, if you don't have access to the cheaper 5600X3D and you can only buy the 5700X3D/5800X3D then the 5700X3D is worth it. Watching this video again, the performance isn't all that different all about the same; however the 5600X3D is the best bang for the buck. The big difference between 5600X3D and 5700X3d was the 300Mhz increased clocks on the 5600X3D.

Why? Because I want to upgrade my 5950X to a 5950X3D. It would be one hell of an upgrade for me. AM4 is still one helluva system. AM6 is what I'll be waiting for to do my next build.

What? That makes no sense.

The 5700X3D is a 5800X3D that runs at 4100 MHz instead of 4500 MHz for 2/3 the price or less. It is in no way less "X3D" than the 5600X3D, 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 7900X3D, and 7950X3D.

Ultimately you're right. My memory failed me as 5700X3D is a true X3D chip just clocked lower than the 5600X3D and finding itself losing to the lower model in multiple games. 5600X3D > 5700X3D.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Ultimately you're right. My memory failed me as 5700X3D is a true X3D chip just clocked lower than the 5600X3D and finding itself losing to the lower model in multiple games. 5600X3D > 5700X3D.

Based on reviews elsewhere, the 5600X3D is about 6% slower than the 5800X3D with the 5700X3D being 4% slower, so overall it's:

5700X3D > 5600X3D

by a hair. In real world use they're very similar with the 3D VCache doing most of the heavy lifting and the occasional game will favor one over the other.

But the real advantage of the 5700X3D is availability as few people live close enough to a Microcenter to get the 5600X3D.

 

[Guwapo77]

Based on reviews elsewhere, the 5600X3D is about 6% slower than the 5800X3D with the 5700X3D being 4% slower, so overall it's:

5700X3D > 5600X3D

by a hair. In real world use they're very similar with the 3D VCache doing most of the heavy lifting and the occasional game will favor one over the other.

But the real advantage of the 5700X3D is availability as few people live close enough to a Microcenter to get the 5600X3D.

I'm sure I linked a video from hardware unboxed. 5600X3D > 5700X3D. I already mentioned availability. Its all good bro, I got the 5600X3D in my son's rig and its well worth the lunch money.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I'm sure I linked a video from hardware unboxed. 5600X3D > 5700X3D. I already mentioned availability. Its all good bro, I got the 5600X3D in my son's rig and its well worth the lunch money.

Lol, I was looking at TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed's individual 5600X3D and 5700X3D reviews instead of the head to head in your video and they found a slight difference the opposite way there as their original 5600X3D review used a different mix of games. Which means they're the same speed depending on what game you're playing as in each case the difference was 1.5% or less. Buy whichever's cheapest and available.

 

[amd64skater]

This time next year they will announce the 5400X3D. Please just make a 12or16 core X3D AM4 and just get it over with.

 

[kapone32]

If AM4 is anything to go by getting a high end AM5 X670E board seems like a really wise investment. If only their APUs were cheaper. They would own DIY.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

Based on reviews elsewhere, the 5600X3D is about 6% slower than the 5800X3D with the 5700X3D being 4% slower, so overall it's:

5700X3D > 5600X3D

by a hair. In real world use they're very similar with the 3D VCache doing most of the heavy lifting and the occasional game will favor one over the other.

But the real advantage of the 5700X3D is availability as few people live close enough to a Microcenter to get the 5600X3D.

It's not really much of a choice anymore, Microcenter hasn't had the 5600X3D in stock for a while now (at least not in my area).
They're selling the 5700X3D for $190 though, which is still over $100 less than I paid for a 5800X3D on sale.

In all honestly I'd suggest the 5700X3D anyway for most, as an EOL upgrade for an aging rig you may as well get the extra cores.

 

[wNotyarD]

In all honestly I'd suggest the 5700X3D anyway, as an EOL upgrade for an aging rig you may as well get the extra cores.

In before AMD trolls everyone and releases the 5900X3D and/or 5950X3D in 2025.

 

[Guwapo77]

It's not really much of a choice anymore, Microcenter hasn't had the 5600X3D in stock for a while now (at least not in my area).
They're selling the 5700X3D for $190 though, which is still over $100 less than I paid for a 5800X3D on sale.

In all honestly I'd suggest the 5700X3D anyway for most, as an EOL upgrade for an aging rig you may as well get the extra cores.

Well damn...if that's the case my entire point is rather pointless. I didn't know they stopped selling them. 5600X3D < 5700X3D < 5800X3D

Lol, I was looking at TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed's individual 5600X3D and 5700X3D reviews instead of the head to head in your video and they found a slight difference the opposite way there as their original 5600X3D review used a different mix of games. Which means they're the same speed depending on what game you're playing as in each case the difference was 1.5% or less. Buy whichever's cheapest and available.

Double-Click just stated they are sold out anyways... You win. 5700X3D > 5800X3D

Microcenter 5700X3D - $189.99
Newegg 5800X3D - $349.99 (Amazon selling used for $329.99)

5700X3D is clearly the people champ as of 16 Aug 2024.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

People know AMD is sandbagging performance due to lousy competition. This series is barely a step above the previous series. Maybe things will pick-up once they start selling X3D chips and x8xx series motherboards but I don't expect much.

That sounds like 2012's Intel, LOL.

The difference is that LGA1700 is still Intel's latest socket, but given the FUD surrounding Rocket Rusty Raptor lake with all its economy cores, I wonder if they dare retiring Alder anytime soon.

Actually, I have been thinking about making an Intel build that is Alder Lake. Probably putting in an Arc A770 to top if off!

something tells me software will need to be optimised for the longer pipeline and the wider execution engine

Sounds like Pentium 4 all over again, LOL.

 

[Marcus L]

AMD have lost a sale from me, I would have bought the 5600x3D if it wasn't only restricted to US/best buy or was it MC? as the 5800x3D was too much compared to a regular 5600x or even 5700x, so I bought a 5700x which cost me £149 which I suspect the 5500x3D will likely be there or there abouts, but there's no way I am dropping another 150 now after having already spent that on the 5700x to bring my total upgrade cost from a Ryzen 5500 to have a 5500x3D, they should have released all AM4 x3D chips to all regions to let ppl make a choice, I won't be going AM5 7*** or 9*** so guess I am just gonna stay where I am for now until I am forced to upgrade or I don't get the performance I want in games or general computing, which isn't the case right now...

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

The reported clocks are so low, it may literally get spanked by a Ryzen 7 3700X in some games, or not be much better!

The 3700X was the "sold-like-hotcakes" Ryzen during the very-early pandemic.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The reported clocks are so low, it may literally get spanked by a Ryzen 7 3700X in some games, or not be much better!

The 3700X was the "sold-like-hotcakes" Ryzen during the very-early pandemic.

With the 5600X3D and 5700X3D being ~5% slower the 5800X3D and the 3700X being 20% slower, it's very unlikely the 5500X3D will be more than 10% behind. Putting it well ahead of the 3700X. Maybe the 5700X could be faster in a particular game or two but very doubtful for the 3700X.

 

[Marcus L]

The reported clocks are so low, it may literally get spanked by a Ryzen 7 3700X in some games, or not be much better!

The 3700X was the "sold-like-hotcakes" Ryzen during the very-early pandemic.

That's never happening whatsoever, maybe an odd few titles, the same where 5800x3D extra cache doesn't help, on the whole it should and will spank a 3700x and even a 5600x otherwise what is the point? 5600x which spanks the 3700x in pretty much all games selling for £125, no one is going to pay more for less than that

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

That's never happening whatsoever, maybe an odd few titles, the same where 5800x3D extra cache doesn't help, on the whole it should and will spank a 3700x and even a 5600x otherwise what is the point? 5600x which spanks the 3700x in pretty much all games selling for £125, no one is going to pay more for less than that

On top of that, I don't know if my X3D is getting the maximum potential or not. Is there really that thing where the XBox game bar is required? LOL.
It's possible that in Windows tasks, lots of users will think it's not better than Matisse!

Especially with the fact that Windows (especially Windows Update) can still be a drag on a Ryzen 9 5900X! Even though I don't know if that's related or not, but Windows Update sure can be slow, even on a 5900X!

So don't expect it to be faster than a Matisse in standard Windows tasks!

The 3D cache better be doing its job!

 

[Deleted member 229121]

That's never happening whatsoever, maybe an odd few titles, the same where 5800x3D extra cache doesn't help, on the whole it should and will spank a 3700x and even a 5600x otherwise what is the point? 5600x which spanks the 3700x in pretty much all games selling for £125, no one is going to pay more for less than that

As someone who's had a 3700X, 5800X and 5800X3D, this tracks.

That sounds like 2012's Intel, LOL.

To be fair, if you told me back in 2012 that my 3770K would last 7+ years and that my next gaming CPU would be AMD...

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

To be fair, if you told me back in 2012 that my 3770K would last 7+ years and that my next gaming CPU would be AMD...

Especially during 2012, was when there were new chips that seemed to not be much of an upgrade! Considering Sandy Bridge from 2011!

At least Ivy Bridge didn't have known major reliability issues. No known degradation issues at stock.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

^ Yep the era of 10% IPC gains...got my 3770K on clearance for that very reason, then sold it years later for $125