Level Up: NVIDIA, MediaTek to Bring G-SYNC Display Technologies to More Gamers

[btarunr]

Picture this: NVIDIA and MediaTek are working together to make the industry's best gaming display technologies more accessible to gamers globally. The companies' collaboration, announced today at the Gamescom gaming gathering in Cologne, Germany, integrates the full suite of NVIDIA G-SYNC technologies into the world's most popular scalers. Gamers can expect superior image quality, unmatched motion clarity, ultra-low latency, highly accurate colors, and more cutting-edge benefits on their displays.

A highlight of this collaboration is the introduction of G-SYNC Pulsar, a new technology that offers 4x the effective motion clarity alongside a smooth and tear-free variable refresh rate (VRR) gaming experience. G-SYNC Pulsar will debut on newly announced monitors, including the ASUS ROG Swift 360 Hz PG27AQNR, Acer Predator XB273U F5 and AOC AGON PRO AG276QSG2.



These monitors, expected later this year, feature 2560×1440 resolution, a 360 Hz refresh rate and HDR support. Integrating G-SYNC into MediaTek scalers eliminates the need for a separate G-SYNC module, streamlining the production process and reducing costs.

This allows for the creation of feature-rich G-SYNC monitors at a more affordable price. And by expanding the availability of these premium gaming products to a broader audience, more gamers will be able to enjoy the best in motion clarity, image quality and performance.

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[Onasi]

Now THIS is actually rather interesting. The article is vague on this and I haven’t found any definitive info, but… it doesn’t seem like this collab actually entails MediaTek scalers having any hardware proper from NV in them, ala the OG G-Sync FPGA. So this seems like a final tacit admission by NV that hardware G-Sync is dead for good and all of the non-VRR additional features they gate-kept behind the modules actually can just easily be added to, I assume, any scaler just via firmware.

 

[Event Horizon]

Let's see the price difference before we celebrate.

 

[john_]

Picture this: NVIDIA and MediaTek are working together to make the industry's best gaming display technologies more accessible to gamers globally.

You are just describing FreeSync, or VRR if you prefer. It's already happened. We don't have to picture anything. It's here, for years now.

 

[cvaldes]

Now THIS is actually rather interesting. The article is vague on this and I haven’t found any definitive info, but… it doesn’t seem like this collab actually entails MediaTek scalers having any hardware proper from NV in them, ala the OG G-Sync FPGA. So this seems like a final tacit admission by NV that hardware G-Sync is dead for good and all of the non-VRR additional features they gate-kept behind the modules actually can just easily be added to, I assume, any scaler just via firmware.

There's a much better article about this all-in-one G-Sync chip over at PCGamer:

Nvidia's new partnership with MediaTek has just killed the module which made G-Sync monitors so damned expensive

This new all-in-one scaler removes the need for a separate G-Sync module, helping to lower costs.

www.pcgamer.com

It's a cost reduction measure because it removes the separate G-Sync chip and puts it in the Mediatek silicon.

It's important to remember that there are other tech media sites on the Internet and no one does everything the best (and I'm not just talking about presenting technology news). It is in everyone's best interest to consider a selection of news sites rather than stick with just one. And even one day, someone over at TikTok might actually get something right, so be open minded.

 

[john_]

It's important to remember that there are other tech media sites on the Internet and no one does everything the best (and I'm not just talking about presenting technology news). It is in everyone's best interest to consider a selection of news sites rather than stick with just one. And even one day, someone over at TikTok might actually get something right, so be open minded.

It's in someone's best interest to have a life instead of searching 12 independent sources for every new technology that comes out.
TPU is fine and having 1-2 more sites for something that looks interesting is also fine. But having to go hunting for articles for everything that comes out, it's not fine.
That's what's good about forums. If someone finds a better source they can post it in the thread for others to also check.

 

[cvaldes]

It's in someone's best interest to have a life instead of searching 12 independent sources for every new technology that comes out.
TPU is fine and having 1-2 more sites for something that looks interesting is also fine. But having to go hunting for articles for everything that comes out, it's not fine.
That's what's good about forums. If someone finds a better source they can post it in the thread for others to also check.

It's pretty quick and easy to find this information without much effort if you are interested in a particular topic. This was the case 10-20 years ago, long before people started asking AI chatbots to help them out with this sort of basic due diligence.

After all, spending a minute scanning reputable sites isn't so difficult. It's people who dive deeply into Reddit or start watching 10 minute TikToks which fritters away your life.

PCGamer happens to be a pretty credible source about PC gaming hardware. Not sure if I'd look at them first for office productivity solutions. You still have to use your brain when you choose where to look for what information. Something of a dying art in 2024... Sadly.

In any case, the actual third-party reviews will be more insightful than a press release. We all have to wait for those.

Anyhow unlike you, I actually provided some extra information that might help people here, information that was clearly missing from the TPU article. As the general Internet declines in overall content quality, it's important to remind people not to be too lazy and that they need to work harder to get content the same level of quality than they did 10-20 years ago.

It's not easier to be on the Internet in 2024 versus 2014 or 2004. It's much more work these days because of all of the laziness and misinformation. Just try doing a Google search. So much trash online.

 

[Onasi]

@cvaldes
Thanks for the link. I still feel like the explanation is rather nebulous on whether the scaler chip is actually on some fundamental level reproduces certain hardware features of the G-Sync FPGA (if there are even those left considering how the industry unified on VRR implementation) or if the whole partnership is NVidia basically providing the software “solution” for the firmware that, in turn, actually unlocks the features. I understand that this might seem like much of muchness in practical terms, but I am wondering how much of this is NV being coy and dragging things out by pretending there is more to it than there really is instead of just opening the spec to ALL scaler chips manufacturers and display vendors and being done with the pretense.

 

[john_]

It's pretty quick and easy to find this information without much effort if you are interested in a particular topic. This was the case 10-20 years ago, long before people started asking AI chatbots to help them out with this sort of basic due diligence.

After all, spending a minute scanning reputable sites isn't so difficult. It's people who dive deeply into Reddit or start watching 10 minute TikToks which fritters away your life.

PCGamer happens to be a pretty credible source about PC gaming hardware. Not sure if I'd look at them first for office productivity solutions. You still have to use your brain when you choose where to look for what information. Something of a dying art in 2024... Sadly.

In any case, the actual third-party reviews will be more insightful than a press release. We all have to wait for those.

No it's not. For someone who is spending many hours every day for years, the information is probably a couple clicks away. For someone who isn't spending much time, finding the information and validating the information means time.
Also remember that someone who isn't familiar with a subject, it's not that he doesn't have the answers, he doesn't even know the questions.

Anyhow unlike you, I actually provided some extra information that might help people here, information that was clearly missing from the TPU article. As the general Internet declines in overall content quality, it's important to remind people not to be too lazy and that they need to work harder to get content the same level of quality than they did 10-20 years ago.

It's not easier to be on the Internet in 2024 versus 2014 or 2004. It's much more work these days because of all of the laziness and misinformation. Just try doing a Google search. So much trash online.

Unlike you, every time I post information that I find interesting, I am not lecturing the others to be less lazy.
Thanks for the link to PCGamer article. I might read it, or not.

Now, give me 5 REALLY credible links about refrigerators and 5 REALLY credible links about anatomic chairs.
You have 10 minutes. As you said, it's easy to find information online, so 10 minutes should be more than enough.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Now THIS is actually rather interesting. The article is vague on this and I haven’t found any definitive info, but… it doesn’t seem like this collab actually entails MediaTek scalers having any hardware proper from NV in them, ala the OG G-Sync FPGA. So this seems like a final tacit admission by NV that hardware G-Sync is dead for good and all of the non-VRR additional features they gate-kept behind the modules actually can just easily be added to, I assume, any scaler just via firmware.

I's a hardware chip....

 

[john_]

I's a hardware chip....

Looking at Nvidia's page and considering it's not talking about GSync Premium, or GSync Compatible, but just GSync, I would say that this is just a scaler with some extra hardware functions just to justify being different than other scalers. Nvidia knows that the expensive module is dead, for a long time now and can't come back to life, so it tries with the help of Mediatek to create a cheap version of GSync monitors that will be (I am guessing) INCOMPATIBLE with everything else. Mediatek is known for it's low pricing, so if Mediatek's scaler is competitive in pricing with other scaler chips while also offering GSync, we can expect a number of monitors in the market using this chip, presenting incompatibilities with Intel and AMD chips, making Nvidia GPUs having again an unfair advantage over the competition. With more than 80% of gamers using Nvidia GPUs, a scaler chip that ONLY offers Nvidia's GSync and not VRR, is not really that much of a bad idea when it doesn't increase the price of the final product.
Then again there is a slim possibility this scaler to offer typical VRR on Intel and AMD and just some extra features on Nvidia owners.

 

[chrcoluk]

Let's see the price difference before we celebrate.

Yeah it looks like its going to be somewhere in between, Mediatek, add the functionality in, Nvidia likely get a cut from it. I suppose once gsync compatible became a thing, full gsync sales took a nose dive.

 

[john_]

Yeah it looks like its going to be somewhere in between, Mediatek, add the functionality in, Nvidia likely get a cut from it. I suppose once gsync compatible became a thing, full gsync sales took a nose dive.

If my conspiracy theory is correct, of offering only GSync to Nvidia owners and being incompatible with ARC and Radeon (meaning no VRR support on those cards), then Nvidia doesn't really need to make a single sent from this. Because their target could be just a big number of monitors that their VRR function is only compatible with Nvidia cards, locking the owners of those monitors to Nvidia hardware. The reason why GSync was created in the first place.

 

[Vayra86]

they need to work harder to get content the same level of quality than they did 10-20 years ago.

It's not easier to be on the Internet in 2024 versus 2014 or 2004. It's much more work these days because of all of the laziness and misinformation. Just try doing a Google search. So much trash online.

Exactly, and they need to do that on the daily, so that is why they help themselves by fixating on a smaller subset of sources they deem credible.

Gotta filter all that info somehow. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here There's way too much going on to know and search with 'due diligence' for everything you see. Its exactly why these forums are valuable. Lots of people have done lots of research, pool the knowledge and its pretty efficient.

You trashed Reddit - but that's exactly another such place where this pooling of knowledge happens a lot. Sure there's a lot of crap on it, but anytime I get on reddit its through a search on some very arcane, specific subject/question. Reddit often has the answer or some decent guidance. The guidance you do NOT find on any of the millions of clickbaity/copy paste subject matter 'websites' that pop up on Search - or if you do, only when you get deep into them and finally find a real source with real people behind it.

If my conspiracy theory is correct, of offering only GSync to Nvidia owners and being incompatible with ARC and Radeon (meaning no VRR support on those cards), then Nvidia doesn't really need to make a single sent from this. Because their target could be just a big number of monitors that their VRR function is only compatible with Nvidia cards, locking the owners of those monitors to Nvidia hardware. The reason why GSync was created in the first place.

I think that ship has sailed years ago. Much rather I think Nvidia is just positioning itself better as a 'partner' in the industry by giving away something that already exists but now can have their branding, too. Mobile desperately looks for unique selling points to keep selling phones we don't need.

 

[Waldorf]

as long as i cant get uhd res on +40in screens, not worth it for me.
not playin much pvp anymore, and real estate matters more now.

 

[Sound_Card]

Picture this: Nvidia successfully fooled people again into thinking they did something innovative. This was already done with Freesync.

Freesync / Freesync premium is almost branded on every TV and monitor now, more so than G-Sync. Nvidia's move to try to lock its customer base failed and now they want to make sure they get branding dominance back.

 

[Noyand]

Looking at Nvidia's page and considering it's not talking about GSync Premium, or GSync Compatible, but just GSync, I would say that this is just a scaler with some extra hardware functions just to justify being different than other scalers. Nvidia knows that the expensive module is dead, for a long time now and can't come back to life, so it tries with the help of Mediatek to create a cheap version of GSync monitors that will be (I am guessing) INCOMPATIBLE with everything else. Mediatek is known for it's low pricing, so if Mediatek's scaler is competitive in pricing with other scaler chips while also offering GSync, we can expect a number of monitors in the market using this chip, presenting incompatibilities with Intel and AMD chips, making Nvidia GPUs having again an unfair advantage over the competition. With more than 80% of gamers using Nvidia GPUs, a scaler chip that ONLY offers Nvidia's GSync and not VRR, is not really that much of a bad idea when it doesn't increase the price of the final product.
Then again there is a slim possibility this scaler to offer typical VRR on Intel and AMD and just some extra features on Nvidia owners.

The companies’ collaboration, announced today at the Gamescom gaming gathering in Cologne, Germany, integrates the full suite of NVIDIA G-SYNC technologies into the world’s most popular scalers.

I think this Mediatek collab might bring all the advantages of G-sync premium to the regular G-sync, including VRR up to 1Hz, guaranteed HDR + VRR, and ULMB, effectively "cheapening out" the tech.

A monitor can be labeled G-sync ultimate, and still have VRR on AMD GPUs. But indeed, you won't get all the G-sync perks

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

If my conspiracy theory is correct, of offering only GSync to Nvidia owners and being incompatible with ARC and Radeon (meaning no VRR support on those cards)

Its not a conspiracy theory act, this is simply Ngreedia MO, pushing anti consumer garbage like this that only exists to keep you locked to their hardware.

But since we now applaud such actions, here we are.

Only you called their BS out.

 

[john_]

I think this Mediatek collab might bring all the advantages of G-sync premium to the regular G-sync, including VRR up to 1Hz, guaranteed HDR + VRR, and ULMB, effectively "cheapening out" the tech.

A monitor can be labeled G-sync ultimate, and still have VRR on AMD GPUs. But indeed, you won't get all the G-sync perks

It's Nvidia. Maybe they are offering everything that GSync Premium offers and they don't call it Premium to not upset those paying for that Premium brand. Because in their own page HDR is not a feature for the NON Premium GSync versions, but it is for this one. Now, because we are talking about Nvidia, the VRR implementation will either not function with AMD and Intel cards, or will be a FreeSync equivalent version, meaning no FreeSync PREMIUM features. That's my speculation. I am not sure Mediatek has much leverage here. If Nvidia says "not compatible or underperforming with non Nvidia cards", I expect Mediatek to reply with a "Yes master".

I think that ship has sailed years ago. Much rather I think Nvidia is just positioning itself better as a 'partner' in the industry by giving away something that already exists but now can have their branding, too. Mobile desperately looks for unique selling points to keep selling phones we don't need.

Nvidia is putting it's brand on VRR monitors with the "GSync compatible" logo for a few years now. This is something else.

 

[Noyand]

It's Nvidia. Maybe they are offering everything that GSync Premium offers and they don't call it Premium to not upset those paying for that Premium brand. Because in their own page HDR is not a feature for the NON Premium GSync versions, but it is for this one. Now, because we are talking about Nvidia, the VRR implementation will either not function with AMD and Intel cards, or will be a FreeSync equivalent version, meaning no FreeSync PREMIUM features. That's my speculation. I am not sure Mediatek has much leverage here. If Nvidia says "not compatible or underperforming with non Nvidia cards", I expect Mediatek to reply with a "Yes master".


Nvidia is putting it's brand on VRR monitors with the "GSync compatible" logo for a few years now. This is something else.

After a quick research it seems that nvidia has started to chill :

NVIDIA Open Up Support for Adaptive-sync/FreeSync for Future Native G-sync Module Screens - TFTCentral

NVIDIA confirmed for us that future G-sync module screens can be capable of supporting both HDMI-VRR and adaptive-sync for HDMI and DisplayPort, as the XB273 X’s specs had suggested. A firmware update is being made to the v1 and v2 G-sync hardware modules for future use which allows these new features.

That means that in the future a display featuring an NVIDIA G-sync module could work with compatible games consoles for HDMI-VRR. It could also work with any graphics card based on the adaptive-sync standard over HDMI and DisplayPort. This means that you would be able to use a Native G-sync screen (with module) from an AMD graphics card for VRR! So if you have an AMD graphics card, you could still enjoy the VRR experience and other additional benefits that the G-sync module brings even from a Native G-sync screen, which was previously out of reach to those users.

It seems that the only websites that reported on this were those specialized in monitors over general tech ones. So it's information that was easy to miss.

 

[R0H1T]

Maybe because dedicated Gsync only (monitors) are all but dead? That move would only hurt future buyers if they ever chose to go back(?) to Nvidia. Having said that this is more important IMO ~

MediaTek to Add NVIDIA G-Sync Support to Monitor Scalers, Make G-Sync Displays More Accessible

www.anandtech.com

In part because of the Nvidia branding which I'm sure will be there somewhere!

 

[john_]

After a quick research it seems that nvidia has started to chill :
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NVIDIA Open Up Support for Adaptive-sync/FreeSync for Future Native G-sync Module Screens - TFTCentral


It seems that the only websites that reported on this were those specialized in monitors over general tech ones. So it's information that was easy to miss.

This is nice. Hope this is true and it seems to be based on what you posted.

But manufacturers seem to also hide it and this is strange. I had a look at AW3423DW's manual and after randomly searching for another GSync Ultimate monitor, at ASUS's ROG SWIFT PG35VQ manual and both state that an Nvidia card is needed for the full GSync features. There is NO specific mention of VRR or FreeSync. Only in Dell's FAQ there is a mention for VRR and FreeSync, but looks like a generic FAQ that is copy pasted in every manual.
This is really strange. Why manufacturers hide the option of pairing their products with AMD cards and get FreeSync functionality?

Then there is the question of how FreeSync works on those monitors. For example in LG 34GP950G-B Review - RTINGS.com we read

It natively supports NVIDIA's G-SYNC variable refresh rate technology, and it also works with AMD's FreeSync technology, but FreeSync doesn't work over HDMI on this model.

Anyway we will see.

 

[Event Horizon]

While they're at it Nvidia could open up DLSS and make it the industry standard before competitors catch up and do it first. One can dream.

 

[john_]

While they're at it Nvidia could open up DLSS and make it the industry standard before competitors catch up and do it first. One can dream.

The only way DLSS gets opened, is if FSR or XeSS becomes much better in quality without extra hardware, making it the standard. This isn't going to happen, so DLSS will remain a proprietary tech that makes Nvidia cards look superior. At least the latest generation that also supports Frame Generation. Let's not forget that NO ONE pressures Nvidia to change tactics. I mean, we have a simple application, that costs a single digit price, with the name Lossless Scalling offering 4X FG, AMD offering FG to everyone for free and Nvidia owners don't even dare to think about criticizing Nvidia for keeping Frame Generation a 4000 series exclusive feature. In fact they prefer techs like DLSS and FG to remain proprietary because they don't want the owners of AMD or Intel hardware to have access to those techs.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Let's see the price difference before we celebrate.

The ROG PG27AQN IS $800 or so. This new revision will cost at least that...

The only way DLSS gets opened, is if FSR or XeSS becomes much better in quality without extra hardware, making it the standard. This isn't going to happen, so DLSS will remain a proprietary tech that makes Nvidia cards look superior. At least the latest generation that also supports Frame Generation. Let's not forget that NO ONE pressures Nvidia to change tactics. I mean, we have a simple application, that costs a single digit price, with the name Lossless Scalling offering 4X FG, AMD offering FG to everyone for free and Nvidia owners don't even dare to think about criticizing Nvidia for keeping Frame Generation a 4000 series exclusive feature. In fact they prefer techs like DLSS and FG to remain proprietary because they don't want the owners of AMD or Intel hardware to have access to those techs.

I, in particular, did so very harshly - I still think the RTX 30 series could manage to pull DLSS-G. You should get ready - I'm fairly sure Nvidia will come up with something trendy that Ada cards "cannot do"