AMD Readies Ryzen 5 7600X3D to Rescue its Ryzen 5 AM5 Lineup

[kondamin]

With how terribly the Zen 5 launch has gone, this is a questionable move at best. Does AMD wish to further cannibalize sales of their newest lineup, which is already struggling to sell?

Or they don’t care as they can use zen 5 ccds for epyc products for a lot more money
doing jobs that actually benefit from the upgrade to zen 5

i doubt amd thinks of zen 5 as a failure, Ryzen 9**** is probably a write off

 

[_roman_]

If they want to "rescue" AM5, maybe they should stop releasing new AM4 CPUs?

My MSI B550 Gaming EDGE WIFI / Ryzen 5800X had many issues. I think some people won't see those or experience those. Later I found some posts about that boost issue, after I had already sold that platform.

For basic desktop usage AM4 is awesome.

Both my previous MSI or my current ASUS mainboard have some UEFI / AGESA / "Bios" issues.
My ASUS AM5 / Ryzen 7600X is a bit better as my sold MSI B550 Gaming EDGE WIFI / Ryzen 5800X but still faulty as hell with the current UEFI I flashed a few hours ago. I also have another 10 monthos of warranty left vs no warranty on a faulty AM4 setup in Gnu linux and windows 10 pro in the perspective of February 2023. Am4 is mediocre when compiling software on a regular basis

I'm also happy that I sold AM4. Recently I read that Ryzen 3000, a processor from 2019 according ot the article, do get the security fix in the uefi/bios. We are talking about ~4 year old processor basically when you are considering the availability to myself as customer in europe. 4 year old AMD processors do not get any updates. I see it from the perspective of the first update cycle before AMD changed their mind. I do not care that AMD changed their mind a a few days later. (For updating the Ryzen 3000 processors.)

The Ryzen 7600X was the smallest processor available at the time of purchase.

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah but apparently this time it's really up to a veeeery slow start, with it being critically panned by reviews and re-reviews since. Zen 5 is really a server-minded architecture.

Nah I think its just tech press making a lot fuss about nothing, which is the usual MO, and people get sucked into that. Zen was ALWAYS really a server/enterprise minded architecture. There are have been baby steps before. It hasn't impeded its progress or growth though. And the X3D's for consumer were a derivative product as well, look how far it got them, now people are acting as if they 'need that success' for Zen to 'survive'

Take a few steps back lol. The DIY market is a tiny sliver of reality, but there's an impressive disbalance in the number of 'influencers' on this market. They all gotta earn that sweet sweet ad money for exhausting and copying each other's hot air.

It comes down to how much of a Lemming you want to be... historical context is all you need for a bit of perspective and reality check. The world hasn't even turned upside down from nearly a decade of Bulldozer and Intel quadcore dominance, why would it now?

 

[INSTG8R]

rescue? I’ve had a 5800X3D simce release! ? I don’t need any rescuing?…

 

[Launcestonian]

AMD must think current & future games will use "up to" 12 threads...
When I upgraded from 7600X to 9700X, my current fav game - Starfield chews up all 16 threads with exactly the same cpu usage in all threads on avg compared to the Zen 4 chip according to HWiNFO. More than likely though it's the creation 2 engine not being optimised very well for PC.

 

[R0H1T]

Am4 is mediocre when compiling software on a regular basis

5950x is still near the top in a lot of charts for something that was released 4(?) years back! Which shows that x86 progress has slowed once again, after a massive spur or about 4-5 years post Zen, but also we're reaching closer to actual limits wrt Si at atomic levels, quite literally!

 

[Hardware1906]

last week, i saw AMD promotion for people who buy new AMD Ryzen 7000 or Radeon 7000, right after the disappointing release of Zen 5 desktop

AMD sure love kicking their own ass

 

[Tomorrow]

We all know how this will go:

Launch price: $349 + bad reviews due to price and/or availability.
Price drop after two weeks: $299

 

[Vayra86]

AMD must think current & future games will use "up to" 12 threads...
When I upgraded from 7600X to 9700X, my current fav game - Starfield chews up all 16 threads with exactly the same cpu usage in all threads on avg compared to the Zen 4 chip according to HWiNFO. More than likely though it's the creation 2 engine not being optimised very well for PC.

Yeah and did you actually get any different FPS out of all those utilized threads?

The answer is no. I know because we've analyzed this on TPU in the Starfield topic earlier. All that CPU 'load' in Starfield is just the result of a very messy engine. Its not even about PC optimization, its just the shitty state of Creation Engine overall, its a scrambled mess of code.

Even 8 thread is already more than sufficient, and even 'extremely fine'. I disabled SMT on my 7800X3D, and the only differences I saw were actually gains in FPS. 8c/8t. There is not a single game I've played since that shows lower performance than running 8c16t.

Elsewhere you see games like Cyberpunk eat a lot of threads, but you will also notice none of them, or just one of them, is fully utilized. Most are pushing something around 30-60% usage per thread. The bottom line, is that even with better threaded games and better APIs there will still be one heavy sequential game thread that bogs everything down. Some games/game logic/engines just simply don't go further than a specific FPS number either, regardless of the CPU you throw at it.

CPU perf in gaming is highly stagnant and current day procs just destroy virtually everything in gaming with ease. The bigger bottlenecks appear elsewhere.

 

[john_]

AMD must think current & future games will use "up to" 12 threads...

Intel's hybrid designs assume that 8 cores/16 threads is everything the modern consumer needs. That's why all their designs max out at 8 P cores.
E cores help in multithreading, they probably don't help in gaming at least not always, but mostly help in advertising more cores.

 

[RaceT3ch]

We all know how this will go:

Launch price: $349 + bad reviews due to price and/or availability.
Price drop after two weeks: $299

Like all of RDNA 3 and Zen 4/5

 

[maximumterror]

Holy hell how badly are you struggling with that CPU


The reason Ryzen 9000 sold badly because it was claimed to have 16% better IPC, something like 10-15% better performance in games and all of that was a lie
View this article to understand.

AMD Zen 5 Technical Deep Dive

AMD has finally shared technical details for their next-gen Zen 5 microarchitecture, which will power the new Ryzen 9000 desktop processors and the Ryzen AI 300 Series laptop CPUs. We detail all the technical innovations, including overclocking, and how AMD achieved +16% IPC.

www.techpowerup.com

even if it's the same performance but watts are less. you want lies? pc mag review of 9000: "CONS: Fewer cores than competing Intel chips" How do you like this nonsense??
for new processors for the last 20 years Intel or AMD always claims 14% performance increase