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Coalition Formed to Accelerate the Use of Glass Substrates for Advanced Chips and Chiplets

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E&R Engineering Corp. hosted an event on August 28, 2024, in Taipei, Taiwan, where they launched the "E-Core System." This initiative, a combination of "E&R" and "Glass Core" inspired by the sound of "Ecosystem," led to the establishment of the "Glass Substrate Supplier E-Core System Alliance." The alliance aims to combine expertise to promote comprehensive solutions, providing equipment and materials for next-generation advanced packaging with glass substrates to both domestic and international customers.

E&R's E-Core Alliance includes Manz AG, Scientech for wet etching, HYAWEI OPTRONICS for AOI optical inspection, Lincotec, STK Corp., Skytech, Group Up for sputtering and ABF lamination equipment, and other key component suppliers such as HIWIN, HIWIN MIKROSYSTEM, Keyence Taiwan, Mirle Group, ACE PILLAR CHYI DING), and Coherent.





E&R will continue leading the development of glass substrate technology in Taiwan, optimizing processes, and collaborating with more industry partners to achieve excellence.

With the rapid growth in demand for AI chips, high-frequency, and high-speed communication devices, glass substrates in advanced packaging technologies are becoming increasingly important. Compared to the widespread use of copper foil substrates, glass substrates offer higher wiring density and better signal performance. Additionally, glass provides extremely high flatness and can withstand high temperatures and voltages, making it an ideal replacement for traditional substrates.

The glass substrate process involves glass metallization, the subsequent ABF (Ajinomoto Build-up Film) lamination, and final substrate cutting. Key steps in glass metallization include TGV (Through-Glass Via), wet etching, AOI (Automated Optical Inspection), sputtering, and plating. These glass substrates measure 515×510 mm, representing a new process in semiconductor and substrate manufacturing.

The critical aspect of glass substrate technology is the first step—glass laser modification (TGV). Although introduced over a decade ago, its speed had not met mass production requirements, achieving only 10 to 50 vias per second, limiting the market impact of glass substrates. E&R Engineering Corp has been working with a North American IDM customer for the past five years to develop glass laser modification TGV technology. Last year, the process passed validation, with E&R mastering key technology, now achieving up to 8,000 vias per second for fixed patterns (matrix layouts) or 600 to 1,000 vias per second for customized patterns (random layouts), with an accuracy of +/- 5 μm, meeting the 3 sigma standard. This breakthrough has finally enabled glass substrates to reach mass production.



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What's the advantage of glass substrates/interposers over those made of silicon?

I can only see disadvantages: different thermal expansion between silicon chips and the glass substrate, and low thermal conductivity of glass. But that's just a general remark because many different types of glass exist.
 
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What's the advantage of glass substrates/interposers over those made of silicon?
There is a mention that "...E&R Engineering Corp has been working with a North American IDM customer for the past five years to develop glass laser modification TGV technology..." - this customer is Intel.

See the image below of what Intel claim are the advantages of glass core substrates.

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maybe less wasted parts cause glass can be remelted infinitely
 
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maybe less wasted parts cause glass can be remelted infinitely
It needs the right properties to be suitable for certain jobs.
i doubt glass used for this can be used a second time as repeating introduces materials that change properties
 
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It needs the right properties to be suitable for certain jobs.
i doubt glass used for this can be used a second time as repeating introduces materials that change properties
indeed but they can send the glass waste to a recycle plant/glassware maker or something so no waste.
 
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Is there really a practical consumer grade application for this? Glass circuit boards? It's bad enough that we have phones with the front & back being glass...I mean how many times does that break... now they're going to put glass in the phone/laptop? Sounds like a pretty risky idea unless this glass is somewhat flexible or super strong... I think there needs to be better messaging in order to communicate the advantages since I haven't seen advantages yet...
 
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What's the advantage of glass substrates/interposers over those made of silicon?

I can only see disadvantages: different thermal expansion between silicon chips and the glass substrate, and low thermal conductivity of glass. But that's just a general remark because many different types of glass exist.
I don’t think the substrates are made of silicon. They are called Organic and make up the PCB of a CPU.
 
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What's the advantage of glass substrates/interposers over those made of silicon?

I can only see disadvantages: different thermal expansion between silicon chips and the glass substrate, and low thermal conductivity of glass. But that's just a general remark because many different types of glass exist.


Why glass substrates
 
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indeed but they can send the glass waste to a recycle plant/glassware maker or something so no waste.
That'll only happen if it's economically feasible to separate the materials for recycling. It's not so much a "glass substrate" as it is a "composite substrate containing glass"
 
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That'll only happen if it's economically feasible to separate the materials for recycling. It's not so much a "glass substrate" as it is a "composite substrate containing glass"
Will read, thanks. Fig. 1 already tells a lot about economics, even if the substrates in the illustration are only about 30 x 30 mm. Manufacturers have plans to develop much larger ones, which means that the space on a 300 mm round wafer would be used very inefficiently.
 
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That'll only happen if it's economically feasible to separate the materials for recycling. It's not so much a "glass substrate" as it is a "composite substrate containing glass"
Nope it's pretty much glass glass. It might contain trace elements of other materials to achieve desired properties, not the other way around.
 
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Nope it's pretty much glass glass. It might contain trace elements of other materials to achieve desired properties, not the other way around.
Glass is the base material but a working substrate has layers of coper and insulation on it, which is either plastic film or some oxide or something similar. Those will may make up a significant part of substrate by weight and volume - my guess would be a couple tenths of a millimetre on each side of a ~1 mm thick glass. That won't be trivial to recycle.

But compared to glass fibre-reinforced resin, nearly everything else must be a child's game to recycle...
 
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