AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October

[HBSound]

I want the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D, but how long will I wait? What is the first of the year? mmmmm

 

[yfn_ratchet]

A lot? Do you have any examples? I'd assume this would be a problem for Strix point as well, even if not having 4C.

Amended my post for clarification, was talking about 7000X3D in particular. Plain old 4/4c hybrids didn't have many issues except for subpar gmamingdhjgiusoigiujhd performance which was expected but all the same was received poorly.

 

[Pumper]

So, after reports of delay to 2025, no they are rushing it? Intel's new CPUs must be impressive if AMD got spooked.

 

[dgianstefani]

It's the concept though -- they would still have to have had designed a Zen C core with the necessary TSVs -- would be a modification of an existing design(s).

No, because the reason they removed the TSVs is to save space, it's no longer a compact core if it has all that stuff.

 

[kapone32]

Amended my post for clarification, was talking about 7000X3D in particular. Plain old 4/4c didn't have many issues except for subpar gmamingdhjgiusoigiujhd performance which was expected but all the same was received poorly.

Think about what you are saying the hallmark of X3D is Gaming. I have argued before that we should no longer be using AMD CPUs as a pool but segments of a pie as they are some very clear differences between chips. A 7700X is not a 8700G nor 7800X3D. When people used the 9700x Gaming performance the community reminded everyone that we are waiting for X3D chips but the pool mentality had a effect on sales.

 

[Ayhamb99]

So, after reports of delay to 2025, no they are rushing it? Intel's new CPUs must be impressive if AMD got spooked.

Which honestly makes me worried, nothing good ever comes out of rushing a product, especially a CPU. Chances of stuff like manufacturing defects or firmware issues happening are gonna be much higher if they are rushing to release in October.

 

[TomWeng]

Take my money.

 

[Mr. Perfect]

From what i remember from the Zen 5 release, one of the big issues regarding Zen 5 was the inter core latency aka Inter-CCD latency, if I am not mistaken, wouldn't the significantly higher amount of cache help offset/reduce the latency since the cache hit rate would be improved? If so, perhaps the 9800X3D will finally show a much bigger performance gain at least for gaming over Zen 4. Very exciting

The cache latency issue has been addressed with AGESA 1.2.0.2, so the regular 9000s shouldn't be any worse then normal now. Still looking forward to an X3D 9000 launch though.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

So, after reports of delay to 2025, no they are rushing it? Intel's new CPUs must be impressive if AMD got spooked.

Maybe, maybe the anemic Zen 5 sales are causing a lot of pressure internally so the only way out for AMD is to release the newest most awesomest gaming chip and make headlines again. Probably some proportion of both.

 

[Zach_01]

The cache latency issue has been addressed with AGESA 1.2.0.2, so the regular 9000s shouldn't be any worse then normal now. Still looking forward to an X3D 9000 launch though.

Yes 9000 cross CCD latency now matches the 7000 series.

 

[OSdevr]

I don't recall people getting angry at AMD for releasing the more expensive models first, don't they release all Skus at once? Unless my memory is failing me.

Need to upgrade your memory: the 7950x3D was released before the 7800x3D, yet was beaten in gaming by the latter due to it being a one chiplet design with added 3D cache vs. the 7950x3D having one chiplet with cache and a second without it.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Do you even remember how much shit AMD got for releasing the more expensive models first the last time? A whopping 43 days or so. People said they tried to milk impatient customers.

Its the AMD curse, damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Also considering how little the uplift in performance of the Zen 5 chips was over Zen 4 at least for gaming

As usual, selective reading, selective rage, etc, only applies to AMD.
Not blaming you directly but this is the BS that Zen 5 went against.
Zen 5 ran very well on Linux, hence showing that something was wrong on Windows yet everyone ignored that and blamed only AMD.
For almost 3 gens now, AMD has made it clear that the gaming CPU's are the X3D variants.

Hell, most of the current crop of influencers (formerly known as reviewers) didn't even bother in comparing the first Zen 5 CPU against the non X3D ones or bothered in mentioning that the MSRP was lower.

I do blame AMD for not launching the CPUs with the companion chipsets and to a point, using gaming benchmarks when it shouldn't be the main point.

Intel's new CPUs must be impressive

Nah, Intel is as usual bribing the influencers to over hype Intel AND trash AMD.

AMD marketing team needs to do some drastic changes, because the influencers are winning.

 

[Broken Processor]

Will it sell any better?

 

[SL2]

Which honestly makes me worried, nothing good ever comes out of rushing a product, especially a CPU.

I dunno, AMD have already rushed the last launch, but I don't think they're doing it now. My bet is that they planned to launch new 3D models in Q1, but then realized that the 9800X3D could come earlier, which is probably a direct response to Arrow, and the less than spectacular sales of 9000.

Drop the 9800X3D and show us what the other models can do at the same time, that's a whole lot better than no 9000X3D at all this year.

No, because the reason they removed the TSVs is to save space, it's no longer a compact core if it has all that stuff.

That makes sense tho.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Drop the 9800X3D and show us what the other models can do at the same time, that's a whole lot better than no 9000X3D at all this year.

Definitely a good thing if true although AMD rumors tend to be all over the place though and are usually wrong so I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[SL2]

Definitely a good thing if true although AMD rumors tend to be all over the place though and are usually wrong so I'll believe it when I see it.

Well the original(lol) rumor for 9000X3D before it was Q1 WAS october, so I'm not that surprised.

 

[Dragokar]

I do believe we will see Dual-3DVC-CCDs SKUs next year.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Facing poor sales of its Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors

I am sorry. Do you have valid data/evidence to back up your claim?

 

[HisDivineOrder]

AMD should have released the x3D versions at the same time and then people would have trumpeted the 9000 series as a success. Thing is, they've done this song and dance with x3D two generations and everyone that's bought one of the pre-x3D has probably had buyer's remorse, so they're not buying in now. They're just waiting for a part that even AMD admits is coming and soon. Combine that with the non-x3D part being a minor boost over the last gen and people are either buying last gen to save money or waiting for x3D. AMD should probably start launching with the x3D part from now on or at least do double digit generational improvement.

Now I'm not saying Zen5 is bad. I think it's great for handhelds and the improvements in perf/watt are almost certainly going to help with future consoles. It's just they're not great for end users and combine that with x3D coming "soon" and you have to wonder why AMD would be surprised no one bought it? I'd have been shocked if people had bought in.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I am sorry. Do you have valid data/evidence to back up your claim?

Here's one bit of data:

 

[SL2]

Here's one bit of data:

That's super firm data

AMD should have released the x3D versions at the same time and then people would have trumpeted the 9000 series as a success.

And what if they were not capable of that, should they have waited until february with all models? I don't think so.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

That's super firm data

Well let's go even super firmy-er.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Here's one bit of data:

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IMO, the considerable price gaps/aggressive price cuts may explain the sale.

Well let's go even super firmy-er.

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I believe those 100+ persons are Linux users.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well let's go even super firmy-er.

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The interesting thing is even though 5000 series pricing also sucked it still sold like hot cakes because you guessed it, it offered us non linux/server users something worthwhile....

So pricing isn't the biggest factor becuase 3000/2000 was really cheap at the launch of 5000 series.

I honestly think 7000 series would be remembered more fondly if it wasn't for the really high platform cost and boot issues on some boards at launch I mean till this day wiz can't get 6000 CL30 mem working on his board apparently.... I've actually never used a single board that didn't support it at 3000/3000/2000 so not sure what's up with that but still he's way more savvy with hardware and uses way more configurations than me so it is what it is.

 

[Wirko]

My 5800X build is 4 years old... 9800X3D or 265K. What will it be boys?

You'll never know which one is better unless you build systems with both.