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Sony has today added to its INZONE gaming gear range with the INZONE M10S - a 27-inch OLED gaming monitor that is changing the game with super high 480 Hz refresh rate, 0.03 ms response time and QHD resolution. Co-developed with leading esports team Fnatic, the INZONE M10S is designed to be tournament ready thanks to a 24.5-inch playing mode and new FPS Pro modes.

Sony is also introducing the INZONE M9 II - an update to its 4K HDR gaming monitor with backlight scanning added to improve motion clarity.




INZONE M10S - Unprecedented motion clarity and instant responsiveness
An ultra-fast refresh rate up to 480Hz1 and 0.03 ms eliminates motion blur and achieves the utmost motion clarity in QHD 1440p resolution so you can track enemies quickly and accurately.

The unique self-illuminated OLED pixels react faster than LCD panels delivering a 0.03 ms blur-free response that LCD displays simply cannot match. Plus, the QHD conveys approximately 1.8 times the amount of resolution of FHD which means you can engage, and win, at longer ranges.

Tournament ready
Working closely with Fnatic pro players, the INZONE M10S combines Sony's experience in creating premium displays with the expertise and knowledge of professional gamers. The INZONE M10S has been designed to deliver image quality, ergonomics and performance enhancing modes to create the ultimate tournament monitor.

INZONE M10S features a 24.5-inch mode, displaying games at a 1:1 resolution of 1332p, with up to 480 Hz refresh rate. Players can also select lower resolutions, including 1080p, ideal for esports and players familiar with 24.5-inch 1080p monitors. The display position can be centred or bottom-aligned, with a perfectly black border area enhancing focus. In addition, there are two new unique picture modes dedicated to FPS gameplay to help identify opponents more quickly with a sharper image and higher motion clarity. FPS Pro+ has been finely tuned with the Fnatic VALORANT team and maximises performance in battle by further optimising image clarity, leveraging the high response times and unmatched contrast unique to OLED. FPS Pro mode stimulates the image characteristics of TN panel LCD monitors typically used in professional tournaments.

#Design optimised for gameplay
Co-designed with Fnatic, the monitor's compact base with a 159 mm diameter and a distinctive flat 4 mm thin base ensures gaming comfort while maximising desk space for a host of keyboard and mouse configurations. The INZONE M10S allows players to position an angled keyboard and large gaming mouse pad around or beneath the display.

Picture quality
With the INZONE M10S game-world colours are vivid and blacks are infinite, with a wide colour gamut of DCI-P3 98.5% and smooth 10-bit gradation. Plus, with 1300 nits' peak brightness thanks to Micro Lens Array+ technology, as well as DisplayHDR True Black 400, every scene comes to life.

Developed with Fnatic
Sony's collaboration with Fnatic has continued to evolve since it started in 2023, resulting in the INZONE M10S, a gaming monitor designed for pros and future pros. The development process involved ideation and play testing sessions at various locations.

"Being able to work on the product with Sony from the start is a major deal. I'm looking forward to playing on it," said Jake 'Boaster' Howlett from the Fnatic VALORANT team. "I'm a huge fan of FPS Pro+ as it allows me to see the agents clearer than I could do on my own manually."

Timofey 'Chronicle' Khromov, also from the Fnatic VALORANT team, commented: "I have been working on the development of the INZONE M10S and I'm happy to have made some impact to help improve the products. An OLED monitor is the best solution for me, with zero response time and a range of very good colours, it gives me no excuses for poor performance! This is the end game for gaming monitors."

INZONE M10S key features:
  • 27-inch QHD 1440p OLED display
  • 480 Hz refresh rate
  • 0.03 ms response time
  • DisplayHDR True Black 400
  • Custom Heat Sink
  • Adjustable stand with height, tilt, and swivel options
  • DisplayPort 2,1 and HDMI 2.1
  • NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible

The official monitor for Apex Legends Global Series
Sony is thrilled to enter into a sponsorship agreement with Electronic Arts (EA) to contribute to their leading global esports tournament, the Apex Legends Global Series (ALGS). Starting with the ALGS Year 4 Championships to be held in Japan in January 2025, we are committed to providing exceptional support for the ALGS offline tournaments by providing INZONE M10S as official tournament monitors. This partnership marks a significant milestone for us, and we are ready to take on this exciting challenge.

"Every second and every frame matters in esports - and with so much on the line as we get closer to the ALGS Year 4 Championship in Sapporo, Japan, it's important that we arm our competitors with the highest quality technology available," said Monica Dinsmore, Senior Director of Esports and Ventures Brand, EA. "That's why we are excited to partner with Sony to provide the ALGS tournaments with their industry-leading INZONE M10S monitor, so that everyone can play at the top of their game."

INZONE M9 II
Sony has also announced an upgraded 4K gaming monitor, the INZONE M9 II. Introducing backlight scanning that improves motion clarity, the INZONE M9 II offers an immersive gaming experience with a high contrast 4K monitor that incorporates the full array local dimming technology from Sony's renowned BRAVIA TV range. The INZONE M9 II key features include:
  • 27 inch 4K UHD IPS display
  • 160 Hz refresh rate
  • Full array local dimming
  • Backlight scanning technology
  • 750 nits peak brightness
  • DisplayHDR 600
  • Wide color gamut DCI-P3 95%
  • 1 ms response time
  • Adjustable stand with height, tilt, and swivel options
  • DisplayPort 2.1 (included cable is 1.4) and HDMI 2.1
  • Perfect for PlayStation 5
  • NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible

Environment in mind
Sony is committed to reducing the environmental impact of its products and practices. The INZONE M10S and INZONE M9 II gaming monitors are not only designed to be sturdy but also with the environment in mind. The INZONE M10S does not use molded foam cushions and also has a low power consumption mode

Pricing and availability
The INZONE M10S gaming monitor will be available from October for $1,099/€1,349/£1199
The INZONE M9 II gaming monitor will be available from October for $799/€999/£899



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Nice catch, I have to admit, since the target audience is PC Gamers, that is kind of shitty I have to admit.

I just finished watching State of Play, man... Sony just doesn't know their audience anymore, hence why Concord also fell flat on it's face. Shame to see one of the giant's fall. If it wasn't for them selling PC hits they probably would have crashed by now.

If they were actually smart they would bring back some of the old IP's from the PS2 days, Ico, Dark Cloud, Maximo, Kessen, and so on and so forth.


  • DisplayHDR 600
having 600 instead of 400 like the actual LG model has is kind of impressive though... if they added Corning Glass it might even reach 1000 cert.

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THEY IMPROVED THE STAND!!! This alone deserves an applause lol

I'm curious to know more about the M9 II, how many local dimming zones? They mention motion blur a lot in the marketing spiel, did they do something to address it or is it just that, marketing spiel?


At least the interface is there :ohwell:

It's laughable sure but it's not that bad, if they didn't even include a display port cable - which would be easily justifiable since it's presumably targeted towards the PS5 and even PC monitors do that all the time - there wouldn't be a problem.

Nice catch, I have to admit, since the target audience is PC Gamers, that is kind of shitty I have to admit.

What make's you say that? It's from Sony with features specificically integrated with the PS5, just because they don't call it "Playstation monitor" what makes this targeted at PC gamers?

On the 1440p OLED they mention Valorant and have a refresh rate higher than the PS5 can ever hope to achieve, sure, but having a lower refresh rate on an OLED would be silly and not like the majority of PCs will be able to use it right away.

It's a cost saving measure, they did the same on the 4k, it's better to do it on the cable that you can easily replace if you want then on the monitor interface like all others.
 
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Why the hell can't they make a M9II in 32". 27" is already 4K and I'd rather not have to use 150% scaling. On 32" I could get away with 125% and it's just more enjoyable for real work.
 

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Why the hell can't they make a M9II in 32". 27" is already 4K and I'd rather not have to use 150% scaling. On 32" I could get away with 125% and it's just more enjoyable for real work.
Because most people are fine with 125% scaling on a 27-inch 4K monitor?
Also, remember that Sony is a Japanese company that builds products mainly for the Japanese market.
 
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Also, remember that Sony is a Japanese company that builds products mainly for the Japanese market.
…is that why they closed Sony Japan Studios and moved SIE HQ to California? Say what you will, but the gaming side of Sony is very much Western-oriented these days. Even this monitor, you don’t market something as a “collaboration with Fnatic” and “official screen for some Apex e-sports thingie” for the Japanese audience.
Sony is just your standard multinational corpo nowadays and has been for a while.
 

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…is that why they closed Sony Japan Studios and moved SIE HQ to California? Say what you will, but the gaming side of Sony is very much Western-oriented these days. Even this monitor, you don’t market something as a “collaboration with Fnatic” and “official screen for some Apex e-sports thingie” for the Japanese audience.
Sony is just your standard multinational corpo nowadays and has been for a while.
Yeah, no. This might not be one of the "mainly for the Japanese market" products, but if you look at how they make user interfaces and so on, it's all Japanese and weird. They also make a ton of products that never sell outside of Japan, or at least Asia.
 
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After the HDMI consortium middle finger to open source, the first manufacturer that releases a OLED TV with at least one DisplayPort connector gets my money.
 
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It is also not stated what speed this 2.1 is at. I'll remind you that there can be three speeds:

UHBR10: 40Gbps
UHBR13.5: 54Gbps
UHBR20: 80Gbps

For comparison, DisplayPort 1.4a HBR3 is 32Gbps.

Currently AMD RX 7000 series supports UHBR13.5.
AMD Pro RX 7000 series supports UHBR20.
Nvidia cards so far (including Pro) only support HBR3.

DP 2.1 cable prices:
UHBR10: 11-43€. Cable length max 2m
UHBR13.5: 65-117€. Cable length max 50m (it is newer certification fiber optic version).
UHBR20: 11-43€. Cable length max 1.2m

Sony as an OEM could definitely get the UHBR20 cable for less than €10 a piece and include it.
The fact that products costing 1000-1300€ do not to include a cable costing less than 10€ is ridiculous.
It is less than 1% of the price of the product.

Someone who plans to buy a DP 2.1 monitor will not, not buy it it because it is 1% more expensive because the corresponding cable is included.
However, they may not buy it because the corresponding cable is not included and they do not want to search, buy and test which one is suitable.
I also know that cable length is an issue for many. I myself admit that 1.2m is not enough. 2m should be the minimum.

UHBR13.5 fiber optic versions are now available but they are a minimum 10m, which is again too much for most people, and secondly they are UHBR13.5, not UHBR20.
We should have full speed for this money.

A good compromise would be 3m and 5m fiber optic cables that would cost 20-30€ each (by dividing the price of 10m). Or better, so-called normal 3m and 5m, the price of which would be between 10-20€.

€30 is not a big expense for buyers of a €1000 monitor, and a 3-5m monitor cable is the optimal length for most people so that it is not too short or the big reel doesn't hang/float.

EDIT:

Confirmed. It's UHBR10 with no cable included. Hard pass Sony. Hard pass: https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/sony-...oled-gaming-monitor-with-27-1440p-480hz-panel
 
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…is that why they closed Sony Japan Studios and moved SIE HQ to California? Say what you will, but the gaming side of Sony is very much Western-oriented these days. Even this monitor, you don’t market something as a “collaboration with Fnatic” and “official screen for some Apex e-sports thingie” for the Japanese audience.
Sony is just your standard multinational corpo nowadays and has been for a while.

Nah they are still Japan centric. Case in point if you look at their audio product line they do compete in the 1000+ USD IEM audio market but mainly in Japan. Also western DAPs (digital audio players for actual high end audio for actual good headphones) dominate here but Sony sells Walkman DAPs which are most common in Japan. You have to keep in mind just how large Sony is and how much stuff they make. A lot of the best stuff they have will never leave Japan. And will for sure never be sold on a western market. People on forums like these have blinders on and view everything from a western PC gaming viewpoint which is to be expected and fine but it's also missing the entire forrest out there for a small bush sitting a hundred yards in front of it.

That's also why this "monitor" is actually for the PS5 and not PC gaming. Japan just really isn't into PC gaming. Unless you like Hentai rape games, soft cartoon porn games, dating sims, graphic novels and other stuff along those lines. They stick to Nintendo and Playstation.

Back in my Navy days I was in Japan for a good grip. Still take work trips there. Most people have no idea how things work there. You wouldn't know what the biggest corporations are there and how vast they are. And the few names people do recognize (Mitsubishi, Sanwa) they have no idea what they actually do. Japanese organize companies by keiretsu and are organized vertically and horizontally and also financial institutions. Sony is also a bank, investment firm, venture capital firm, insurance firm, healthcare firm, and sells nursing and old folks services. That's just scratching the surface of what Sony actually is. All of Sony's arms are organized horizontally and independent but vertically integrated within. So you have no idea how big Sony actually is or what they are doing. This method creates super corporations that dwarf anything in the west but it's very hard to pin down just how massive they are due to how they organize. So no, they are far from your "standard multinational corpo" that's laughable.


The gaming side of it you see and the side of it that westerners know about let alone can access is another tiny shrub in front of a giant forest. Farming out their joke arm, gaming and entertainment, to the US side doesn't change the fact that they are a Japanese company focused on Japan and do not give a flying fuck about the stuff most people here care about.

It's also funny because despite having the worlds biggest ogolopolies Japan in day to day life is still mostly small business mom and pop shops. Also tons of hand made craft goods for stuff around the home.

It's completely alien to most people here but Japan gonna Japan and they like it that way!
 
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You… haven’t really taken a look at Sonys revenue lately, have you? Their “joke cringe gaming division” is what actually makes them money. It’s a whole third of their revenue. Nothing else in their portfolio is even close. It’s miles ahead of their financial, music, movie and even consumer electronics division.
Sony is being carried by the PlayStation brand at this point and it’s not even a joke like it used to be. I am sure they have fingers in many pies in Japan, but they ARE a global company, that’s how they position themselves. If they were solely “Japan oriented” they would currently be dead or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, like a lot of Japanese titans of 80-90s, and we would not be discussing them. It’s not a “Western perspective”, since I am not what one would call a Western person, it’s simple cold financial truth.
 
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You… haven’t really taken a look at Sonys revenue lately, have you? Their “joke cringe gaming division” is what actually makes them money. It’s a whole third of their revenue. Nothing else in their portfolio is even close. It’s miles ahead of their financial, music, movie and even consumer electronics division.
Sony is being carried by the PlayStation brand at this point and it’s not even a joke like it used to be. I am sure they have fingers in many pies in Japan, but they ARE a global company, that’s how they position themselves. If they were solely “Japan oriented” they would currently be dead or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, like a lot of Japanese titans of 80-90s, and we would not be discussing them. It’s not a “Western perspective”, since I am not what one would call a Western person, it’s simple cold financial truth.

Of course they are a global company. But the issue is a lot of "Sony" isn't even under Sony as a brand or what they report. They aren't soley Japan but they are Japan oriented.

As I said I'm scratching the surface. But a lot of these organizations have sub companies under them that you do not know are part of them and they aren't listed as part of them. Think of a shell company or peeling the layers of an onion. You won't see that revenue under the main branch because it's a seperate entity on paper and in theory legally but in practice it isn't. One of the big reasons for the Japanese panic in the US was these sub layers of these groups basically buying up massive amounts of real estate and parts of US corps but it wasn't really attached to the main corp on paper or legally and yet magically it is.

Other parts of the world aren't nearly as transparent as the west is. And even here in the west we often play the same stupid games. Capitalism turns into that shell game (if you know what that is with three cups and a shell and they move it around and you have to guess what cup it's under, you'll never guess, but all the cups are still moved by that same person) fast. So thinking these companies as gaming, consumer electronics, music, movies, and all that jazz is falling into the trap.

I've been in big four consulting and law firms, granted on the IT side of things (both internal and external facing), and I hate these sorts of rats nests with the fury of a thousand suns but it's just the world goes. Consultants and lawyers are how this bullshit gets set up. Most of the bullshit that goes on you don't see. And if you see it you are bound by NDA for life.
 
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Fair. I can only operate based on what the public facing financial reports say, so any real “deep corpo” bullshit with shell companies and subsidiaries that aren’t actually counted as subsidiaries or reported as such is obviously not something that can be commented on.
 
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Why the hell can't they make a M9II in 32". 27" is already 4K and I'd rather not have to use 150% scaling. On 32" I could get away with 125% and it's just more enjoyable for real work.

Because they don't make the panel. Only LG or Samsung make them and everyone else buys from them. Samsung even buys from LG to muddy the waters some more. This is an LG WOLED panel. Much worse quality than Samsung's QD-OLED and even more expensive in some instances depending on the monitor brand. Both companies removed the QD/WOLED branding so you don't know which you're getting and not to remind consumers that there are two different technologies. After years or marketing the superiority of QD-OLED, now they hope you forget. You have to research really well into which panel you are getting. Sometimes it's a panel lottery when Samsung uses both.

WOLED has much worse color gamut and volume.

 
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QD-OLED is not universally better. Yes it has better color volume but that alone does not make it universally better.

QD-OLED also has several downsides you neglect to mention here. The most obvious is a purple hue when any external light hits the screen.
This severely reduces black levels and makes blacks appear washed out. Some say it's due to a lack of polarizer, others say it's inherit to the technology itself.

Another thing that is a problem for some people is the virtual lack of matte screens. Most QD-OLED panels are glossy. Only a few Samsung models are matte.
Not everyone wants glossy screen.

There is also the question of durability. QD-OLED is a few years old. WOLED has been around for longer. In RTings TV burn in test first gen QD-OLED burned in faster than WOLED.

WOLED has higher brightness due to the white subpixel and has higher refreshrate and supports dual mode 1080p/4K modes.
Also most models are matte and external light does not influence image quality.
 
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QD-OLED is not universally better. Yes it has better color volume but that alone does not make it universally better.

QD-OLED also has several downsides you neglect to mention here. The most obvious is a purple hue when any external light hits the screen.
This severely reduces black levels and makes blacks appear washed out. Some say it's due to a lack of polarizer, others say it's inherit to the technology itself.

Another thing that is a problem for some people is the virtual lack of matte screens. Most QD-OLED panels are glossy. Only a few Samsung models are matte.
Not everyone wants glossy screen.

There is also the question of durability. QD-OLED is a few years old. WOLED has been around for longer. In RTings TV burn in test first gen QD-OLED burned in faster than WOLED.

WOLED has higher brightness due to the white subpixel and has higher refreshrate and supports dual mode 1080p/4K modes.
Also most models are matte and external light does not influence image quality.

I provided links so I don't have to repost the entire review. I definitely would not buy a matte screen. Glossy screens have AR coatings.

If you want WOLED, you must have a very specific purpose for it. Most are better off with QD-OLED.

WOLED does not have higher brightness.
"QD-OLEDs are as much as twice as bright as their WOLED counterparts, resulting in a much more vibrant, colorful viewing experience overall."
See the link above.

TVWhiteRedGreenBlueCyanMagentaYellow
LG C3 OLED (WOLED)856 cd/m²92 cd/m²295 cd/m²34 cd/m²325 cd/m²118 cd/m²363 cd/m²
LG G3 OLED (WOLED + MLA)1,527 cd/m²140 cd/m²420 cd/m²53 cd/m²456 cd/m²177 cd/m²546 cd/m²
Samsung S95C OLED (QD-OLED)1,223 cd/m²272 cd/m²882 cd/m²65 cd/m²950 cd/m²336 cd/m²1,151 cd/m²


Another comparison


The photos below show how the matte finish compares to other similar TVs. They are lined up from left to right in this order: LG C4 OLED, Samsung S95D OLED, Samsung The Frame 2022 QLED (also uses a matte coating), and the Samsung S90D/S90DD OLED.
 
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I provided links so I don't have to repost the entire review. I definitely would not buy a matte screen. Glossy screens have AR coatings.
That's your preference. I would never buy a glossy screen, much less one that loses one it's main advantages unless im sitting in a dark, light controlled room.
If you want WOLED, you must have a very specific purpose for it. Most are better off with QD-OLED.
That's big generalization. Monitors have been matte for ages and for good reason.
I would certainly not say most people are better off with QD-OLED.
WOLED does not have higher brightness.
Neither does QD-OLED...in monitors. Screenshot from Monitors Unboxed video of the same panel that this Sony models uses:
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Because they don't make the panel. Only LG or Samsung make them and everyone else buys from them. Samsung even buys from LG to muddy the waters some more. This is an LG WOLED panel. Much worse quality than Samsung's QD-OLED and even more expensive in some instances depending on the monitor brand. Both companies removed the QD/WOLED branding so you don't know which you're getting and not to remind consumers that there are two different technologies. After years or marketing the superiority of QD-OLED, now they hope you forget. You have to research really well into which panel you are getting. Sometimes it's a panel lottery when Samsung uses both.

WOLED has much worse color gamut and volume.

The M9 II is IPS, not OLED.
 
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After the HDMI consortium middle finger to open source, the first manufacturer that releases a OLED TV with at least one DisplayPort connector gets my money.

Maybe you missed recent launches but you're asking for has been available for a couple months, in both TV and monitor form.

UHBR10: 40Gbps
UHBR13.5: 54Gbps
UHBR20: 80Gbps

For comparison, DisplayPort 1.4a HBR3 is 32Gbps.

That doesn't paint the whole picture, DisplayPort HBR3 has an effective bandwidth of 25.92gbps while UHBR10 has an effective bandwidth of 38.68gbps (for comparison HDMI 2.1 does 42gbps effective bw, just slightly above UHBR10).

I'd love if we could have UHBR20 everywhere and be done with it but even UHBR10 is very rare, with consumer GPU supporting UHBR20 in the near future nowhere to be seen (leaks point towards nvidia skipping it again next generation and with amd quitting halo products it has no reason do it either) UHBR10 is fine. It allows for 4k 144hz* 10 bits (144 being the magic number to support all common video formats from 24 to 60hz), or 1440 293hz 10bits, that's plenty.

Someone who plans to buy a DP 2.1 monitor will not, not buy it it because it is 1% more expensive because the corresponding cable is included.
However, they may not buy it because the corresponding cable is not included and they do not want to search, buy and test which one is suitable.

The included cable seems like a weird deal breaker to me but you do you. Concerning compatible cable, the one included being compatible is not the guarantee you think it is, it's bought from the lowest bidder and it's pretty common for them fail when tested on test equipment and not be able to display at the maximum refresh of the monitor.
 
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Because most people are fine with 125% scaling on a 27-inch 4K monitor?
Also, remember that Sony is a Japanese company that builds products mainly for the Japanese market.
I like 27" and 4k, I don't mind scaling since it still results in a nice crisp image compared to 24" 1080p which looks like 8-bit nes game. :)

Having said that, I have my eye on a 3:2 monitor
 
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Maybe you missed recent launches but you're asking for has been available for a couple months, in both TV and monitor form.



That doesn't paint the whole picture, DisplayPort HBR3 has an effective bandwidth of 25.92gbps while UHBR10 has an effective bandwidth of 38.68gbps (for comparison HDMI 2.1 does 42gbps effective bw, just slightly above UHBR10).

I'd love if we could have UHBR20 everywhere and be done with it but even UHBR10 is very rare, with consumer GPU supporting UHBR20 in the near future nowhere to be seen (leaks point towards nvidia skipping it again next generation and with amd quitting halo products it has no reason do it either) UHBR10 is fine. It allows for 4k 144hz* 10 bits (144 being the magic number to support all common video formats from 24 to 60hz), or 1440 293hz 10bits, that's plenty.



The included cable seems like a weird deal breaker to me but you do you. Concerning compatible cable, the one included being compatible is not the guarantee you think it is, it's bought from the lowest bidder and it's pretty common for them fail when tested on test equipment and not be able to display at the maximum refresh of the monitor.

Or you could do the derp derp derp and https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...YeJWDR9uMZEIpS1Cd90W-NMo718Ap2LBoCXAsQAvD_BwE

You want image quality, here ya go.
 
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Do I need a PSN account to use this monitor?
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Maybe you missed recent launches but you're asking for has been available for a couple months, in both TV and monitor form.
Indeed I missed.

I cant find any recent TV's or monitors at 65" with DP ports with OLED panels at a reasonable price.

Saw one from Alienware but it looks like it was discontinued.

Can you please provide me some samples?
 

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I like 27" and 4k, I don't mind scaling since it still results in a nice crisp image compared to 24" 1080p which looks like 8-bit nes game. :)
It's funny how quickly our perception of display quality changes. Moving up in resolution on CRT's was the same... That said, when I did my national service, someone that was an Amiga owner, claimed that interlaced was better quality than non-interlaced... :banghead:
 
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