AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October

[Peterson!]

My only guess, or more like a wish, for 9900X3D and 9950X3D is 1 x 16 core Zen5C chiplet with even more V-cache as a compensation.

I don't know anything about the cons of using a 5C chiplet, besides having half of L3.

This will be nice, because no one will pay 500$ average for new motherboards if the performance uplift does not be minimum 30% in comparison with the 7800X3D. and this will add more than this performance in order the new motherboards with the 870 chipset to be sold, or else no sales.

 

[SL2]

That's the frequency of "Classic" Zen5 core. The frequency of the "Compact" Zen5c core is 3.3 GHz.

I saw it here, but that's not what AMD's site says.

You can't add V-Cache to the "Compact" core,

It was a direct reply to your claim that "And more cache isn't always better, as you run into diminishing returns and bottlenecks in other parts of the system."
While true, you acted as if you didn't know that we were talking about a 3D CPU. Such a theoretical CPU would need more L3, that's all I said.
The rest has been explained by others.

No,they are not. Zen5 launch proove that.

You can't prove that. Working hard doesn't mean doing things right, they can still mess up in a thousand different ways.

The sooner AMD releases it, the sooner we can start the requisite 6+ months wait timer for the post-launch kinks to be ironed out. I'm only half kidding. At this point I wouldn't buy a new CPU on launch day, or even in the launch month, from either AMD or Intel.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Just how likely is it that more cache will give new issues? Obviosly not impossible, but I doubt it.

 

[_roman_]

Instead of rushing a new CPU why don't they rush the Windows and BIOS patches to make their CPUs run fast and properly?

Why would anyone care to update their PC if its clear and present that some windows patches can boost the cpu half the way of a new platform?

The software is always behind. Security is very often behind.

GCC (open source compiler), in my point of view, only utilises Ryzen 3000 or older properly. A bit can be gained by optimising the code

 

[AusWolf]

I see AMD's pushing hard with CPUs, but what about RDNA 4? It's awfully quiet on the Western front.

 

[SL2]

AMD already planning Ryzen 5 9600X3D with 3D V-Cache - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X3D, six Zen5 cores and 3D V-Cache It would appear that more than 3 SKUs with 3D V-Cache are coming. Not just the 16, 12, and 8-core models are planned to feature 3D V-Cache and Zen5 cores. AMD is reportedly already planning a 6-core variant within the Ryzen 5 family. Leaker...

videocardz.com

Let's hope it's not a one store deal.

 

[Taraquin]

AMD already planning Ryzen 5 9600X3D with 3D V-Cache - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X3D, six Zen5 cores and 3D V-Cache It would appear that more than 3 SKUs with 3D V-Cache are coming. Not just the 16, 12, and 8-core models are planned to feature 3D V-Cache and Zen5 cores. AMD is reportedly already planning a 6-core variant within the Ryzen 5 family. Leaker...

videocardz.com

Let's hope it's not a one store deal.

I wish AMD would skip 9900X3D which is a terrible cpu and just make 9600X3D.

 

[Ayhamb99]

The cache latency issue has been addressed with AGESA 1.2.0.2, so the regular 9000s shouldn't be any worse then normal now. Still looking forward to an X3D 9000 launch though.

Yes 9000 cross CCD latency now matches the 7000 series.

Oh i didn't know about that, very nice.

As usual, selective reading, selective rage, etc, only applies to AMD.
Not blaming you directly but this is the BS that Zen 5 went against.

This is the biggest issue I have with AMD supporters, the underdog bias. Why is it that you instantly assumed I intentionally only read the negatives about Zen 5 and I do this only with AMD? Why is it that you guys always assume someone has it out to bash and crap on AMD whenever they make a criticism?

Zen 5 ran very well on Linux, hence showing that something was wrong on Windows yet everyone ignored that and blamed only AMD.

I specifically wrote "how little the uplift in performance of the Zen 5 chips was over Zen 4 at least for gaming." I have looked at loads of benchmarks across the internet comparing the 7700X vs. the 9700X with Windows 11 23H2 vs. 24H2. I have also looked at Linux gaming benchmarks as well, but unfortunately I could not find a 40+ game benchmark comparing Windows 11 24H2 to Linux. That was the general consensus I got in terms of uplift from Zen 4 to Zen 5 for gaming, not so much. If you have anything to prove otherwise, please send!

I do not know where you looked or what you saw, but what I remember from what I saw was most of the blame being put on Microsoft for incompetence and with most people agreeing that Windows 11 in general as a whole is absolute garbage that is inferior to Windows 10. Again, it's the assumption that everyone is out for to put AMD down.

For almost 3 gens now, AMD has made it clear that the gaming CPU's are the X3D variants.
Hell, most of the current crop of influencers (formerly known as reviewers) didn't even bother in comparing the first Zen 5 CPU against the non X3D ones or bothered in mentioning that the MSRP was lower.
I do blame AMD for not launching the CPUs with the companion chipsets and to a point, using gaming benchmarks when it shouldn't be the main point.

At least we can agree that AMD Marketing blundered the release of Zen 5 by using over-exaggerated gaming benchmarks!

Nah, Intel is as usual bribing the influencers to over hype Intel AND trash AMD.
AMD marketing team needs to do some drastic changes, because the influencers are winning.

Considering Intel's previous anti-competitive behaviour in the last 2 decades or so, I understand the animosity and suspicion, but do you have proof supporting this claim???
At least we can agree that the marketing team at AMD needs some heavy reform.

 

[SL2]

I wish AMD would skip 9900X3D which is a terrible cpu

Tell me more about this unreleased CPU. Do you have an ES?

 

[SKRDPTSGL]

Too late AMD...

 

[kapone32]

I wish AMD would skip 9900X3D which is a terrible cpu and just make 9600X3D.

You know this because?

 

[Taraquin]

Tell me more about this unreleased CPU. Do you have an ES?

No, but we know 7900X3D was a terrible cpu performaing quite a bit worse in games than both 7800X3D and 7950X3D, also beaten by 7600X3D.

You know this because?

No, but we know 7900X3D was a terrible cpu performaing quite a bit worse in games than both 7800X3D and 7950X3D, also beaten by 7600X3D.

Ryzen 5 7600X3D tests reveal better performance than the 7900X3D - PC Guide

 

[SL2]

No, but we know 7900X3D was a terrible cpu performaing quite a bit worse in games than both 7800X3D and 7950X3D, also beaten by 7600X3D.

Yeah no, that's not an answer.

It's a guess tho

 

[Bwaze]

Has AMD found their missing performance uplift yet? The last time I checked Windows update lifted both current and last gen CPUs, making the difference again much less than AMD advertised!

 

[Taraquin]

Has AMD found their missing performance uplift yet? The last time I checked Windows update lifted both current and last gen CPUs, making the difference again much less than AMD advertised!

In cinebench it was always there, in games, naaaah...

 

[SL2]

Has AMD found their missing performance uplift yet?

I guess you need Linux for that lol

 

[sephirotic]

Well, it might be a small marginal upgrade over the 7000 series but is the enough I needed to justify upgrading from my 5900x.

I don't use the pc just for gaming and the 7800x3d would have been a downgrade in MT, 7900x3d was an awful chip and the 7950x3d too expensive for what I needed. The 9700x at 175wppt matches my 5900x in MT in stock so a 9800x3d should be a decent upgrade in gaming and ST.
I hope AMD does something better with the 9900x3d but I am patiently waiting the 9800x3d to leave am4.

I'm not considering intel because my custom loop should work on AM5

 

[kapone32]

No, but we know 7900X3D was a terrible cpu performaing quite a bit worse in games than both 7800X3D and 7950X3D, also beaten by 7600X3D.


No, but we know 7900X3D was a terrible cpu performaing quite a bit worse in games than both 7800X3D and 7950X3D, also beaten by 7600X3D.

Ryzen 5 7600X3D tests reveal better performance than the 7900X3D - PC Guide

I have given up on trying to fight the narrative. So what makes the 7950X3D for $400 more better or the 7800X3D for $50 less and 8 less threads? There are less than 5 media reviews of the chip and since people don't like to pay they were not independently tested. You see if they had them it would have been a little difficult to justify the $400 difference in price. What was created was a narrative that seemed that Dual CCD was such a bad idea that you would be a fool to get one. The truth is that the 7900X3D is much faster than a 5800X3D and all 7000X3D chips are within 5-12% of each other in both ways. If you want bigger grids without hampering performance in Racing Sims, If you want to have Ultra size units in TWWH3 or if you want to play City Builder Games like City Skylines 2 at 4k then more cores makes sense, and I see a lot of talk about a 4080S being the perfect 4K card and laugh when every single TPU review of GPUs has the 7900XT in the top 10 positions at Ultra for another $400 less. Maybe when TWWH3 supports Ray tracing I will care about that more than raster. The first time I heard the term Ray Tracing was Tripp Hawkins of EA on a Computer show that used to be on weekly from the 80s. What do you think happens at high? It is too bad as the obtuse part is that no one rags on the 5900x in the same way. Is was so bad that I almost bought another one when they were $345 Canadian one week. Yes I will be buying a 9900X3D and transitioing my 7900X3d to do some kick ass CPU mining. But it is a terrible chip. So tell me what is bad The L3 Cache? How about the Turbo clock? Maybe it's the TDP?

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[peepepoopoo]

Cache me outside, how 'bout that?

 

[Taraquin]

I have given up on trying to fight the narrative. So what makes the 7950X3D for $400 more better or the 7800X3D for $50 less and 8 less threads? There are less than 5 media reviews of the chip and since people don't like to pay they were not independently tested. You see if they had them it would have been a little difficult to justify the $400 difference in price. What was created was a narrative that seemed that Dual CCD was such a bad idea that you would be a fool to get one. The truth is that the 7900X3D is much faster than a 5800X3D and all 7000X3D chips are within 5-12% of each other in both ways. If you want bigger grids without hampering performance in Racing Sims, If you want to have Ultra size units in TWWH3 or if you want to play City Builder Games like City Skylines 2 at 4k then more cores makes sense, and I see a lot of talk about a 4080S being the perfect 4K card and laugh when every single TPU review of GPUs has the 7900XT in the top 10 positions at Ultra for another $400 less. Maybe when TWWH3 supports Ray tracing I will care about that more than raster. The first time I heard the term Ray Tracing was Tripp Hawkins of EA on a Computer show that used to be on weekly from the 80s. What do you think happens at high? It is too bad as the obtuse part is that no one rags on the 5900x in the same way. Is was so bad that I almost bought another one when they were $345 Canadian one week. Yes I will be buying a 9900X3D and transitioing my 7900X3d to do some kick ass CPU mining. But it is a terrible chip. So tell me what is bad The L3 Cache? How about the Turbo clock? Maybe it's the TDP?




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In theory the 6+6 core is genious. In reality no. It has to the with thhe prioritized ccd. Generally even tje 7800X3D is faster than 7950X3D in most games. The dual ccds have higher latency and many games dont take advantage of more than 16 treads.

At 350 and vs 400 I would in many cases chose 7950X3D, but where I live the difference is much bigger, 150usd atm. When launched the 7900X3D will be more than 50usd more expensive. Remember launchprices. Nowadays most want 7800X3D so it will cost more.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

This is the biggest issue I have with AMD supporters, the underdog bias. Why is it that you instantly assumed I intentionally only read the negatives about Zen 5 and I do this only with AMD? Why is it that you guys always assume someone has it out to bash and crap on AMD whenever they make a criticism?

You clearly ignored when I said "Not blaming you directly" so....

I do not know where you looked or what you saw, but what I remember from what I saw was most of the blame being put on Microsoft for incompetence and with most people agreeing that Windows 11 in general as a whole is absolute garbage that is inferior to Windows 10. Again, it's the assumption that everyone has it out to put AMD down.

We dont have to look too far, just in this thread alone that repeat the same thing "Zen 5 sucks", "garbage" etc.
It was a lot worse on the original reviews.

Considering Intel's previous anti-competitive behaviour in the last 2 decades or so, I understand the animosity and suspicion, but do you have proof supporting this claim???

I would say, read between the lines.
The intel articles normally have positive headlines and you see a lot of them.
They keep giving them "the benefit of the doubt" or worse, paint them on a very positive light.
And with few exceptions, will ever mention any of intel illegal actions committed through the years or the many times they have lied on presentations, like hiding a chiller under the table to cool their CPU's.

AMD ones are usually the contrary, with a negative tone.

Given how things are today, you can't simply assume that all reviewers are really unbiased, everyone is in for the money.

At least we can agree that the marketing team at AMD needs some heavy reform.

Indeed they do.

 

[kapone32]

In theory the 6+6 core is genious. In reality no. It has to the with thhe prioritized ccd. Generally even tje 7800X3D is faster than 7950X3D in most games. The dual ccds have higher latency and many games dont take advantage of more than 16 treads.

At 350 and vs 400 I would in many cases chose 7950X3D, but where I live the difference is much bigger, 150usd atm. When launched the 7900X3D will be more than 50usd more expensive. Remember launchprices. Nowadays most want 7800X3D so it will cost more.

Indeed that is your assessment of the specs. You have validated my argument though. What you don't get is that I tried the 7800X3D and I was not impressed.

 

[Ayhamb99]

You clearly ignored when I said "Not blaming you directly" so....

I did not ignore that, I was gonna scroll over and reply to the other parts of your comment that until I saw the "only applies to AMD" part. Perhaps I shouldn't have wrote the first part about you assuming, my bad for that. But i wanted to reply to the other part because this kind of paranoia is getting old.

Why is it that you guys so often believe that most people have the secret goal of putting AMD down? Yes, the general perception of Zen 5 after the launch wasn't so positive, but the criticisms made were valid and were not done out of spite towards AMD. Yes, it was demonstrated that W11 was causing performance regressions for AMD CPUs, but even with the 24H2 fixes it still showed that in fact Zen 5 did not have that much of a major leap over Zen 4, and that in fact it is Microsoft that is to be blamed for W11 acting like trash because Hardware unboxed did a 42 game test with the 14700K with 24H2 comparing it to the 9700X and while not as much of an uplift like Zen 5, also showed performance uplift across the board, at least for gaming, so Intel CPUs were also being performance gimped due to W11 being trash. Yet for some reason there were so many people yelling "Wintel!"

This is what I mean, the underdog bias. It's admirable how AMD has managed to reverse and completely change everything with Zen, rising up and embarrassing Intel over and over, but that time has passed and now we have 2 competitive companies in the CPU market. Just because AMD was the underdog in the CPU market does not mean that when someone criticises them they are doing it out of malice or spite. There is no need to write something like "selective reading, selective rage, etc, only applies to AMD" to infer that most people were being critical only out of spite because it's AMD, because that's not true.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

my bad for that.

Its all good brother.

Why is it that you guys so often believe that most people have the secret goal of putting AMD down?

Maybe "We guys" do perceive the bias more than others because we observe the free passes on the other side.
One example, everyone, even without trying it, will automatically call FSR trash, regardless of the version, regardless of some good samples or overall, its main "Pro" which is being platform agnostic.

Yes, the general perception of Zen 5 after the launch wasn't so positive,

Thats part of the point, even now, everyone seems to automatically say that Zen 5 is absolute trash, which is not true.

This is what I mean, the underdog bias.

In my particular case, its not the underdog, but the fact that out of the big 3, they offer me the most pro consumer products and as they say, talk with your wallet, hence my preference.

t's admirable how AMD has managed to reverse and completely change everything with Zen, rising up and embarrassing Intel over and over, but that time has passed and now we have 2 competitive companies in the CPU market.

Indeed they have, but they are still not over the hill.
Intel has some big "allies", like Dell, which still refuses to use any of AMD chips on their lucrative business line, like the Latitudes laptops and Optiplex desktops.

Just because AMD was the underdog in the CPU market does not mean that when someone criticises them they are doing it out of malice or spite.

Sadly, many still do this out of malice.

There is no need to write something like "selective reading, selective rage, etc, only applies to AMD" to infer that most people were being critical only out of spite because it's AMD.

I wish that I was the only one thinking that the case, but I am not.

One of my favorites, when it was rumored that AMD blocked the use of DLSS in Starfield, Tim from Ngreedia Unboxed released 3 hit videos calling AMD all kinds of things.
When it was proven that they didnt do such request or action, he never apologized.

Or he has never criticized DLSS for being an anticonsumer tool which main existence is to keep you locked into that hardware.

Personally, I stopped watching them since that time.

Or when its the subject of power consumption, funny how it doesn't matter when its done by an Intel chip, but a travesty when its AMD.

But I think that we went far away off topic and we can conclude in agreeing with disagreeing.

 

[chrcoluk]

Why are they rushing it? Whats wrong with the products already on the market?

 

[x4it3n]

Let's hope that the 9950X3D will have 2 3D V-Cache CCD, otherwise I'll be getting the 9800X3D.
Also ZEN 6 should increase the core count to 12 or 16 cores per CCD so if they release a 10800X3D chip with 16c/32t on 1 CCD with V-Cache that will be Day-1 for me!