AMD X870E and X870 Motherboards Have Been Released, Prices Start at $199 Up To $699

[TomWeng]

Where is MSI X870E Godlike?

 

[rv8000]

I understand all of the niche applications of USB4/TB. My point was why are we making these ports mandatory and giving up PCIe slots or NVMe drives for it?

Additional or optional, sure.



This is the reply I was looking for. Please consider my question answered.

Who is running 5 nvme drives at the same time? There are a handful of boards that will do 1x pcie 5.0 4x and then 2x pcie 4.0 4x nvme drives without any interruption to the pcie 16x GPU slot.

Why are people so mad about having options and or boards they don’t have to purchase?

X670/B650 will drop in price, if you don’t need connectivity you have a cheaper buy in to the platform. I guess be happy AMD isn’t dumping socket support left and right like intel.

Sheesh…

If there’s anything to be justifiably angry about, it’s the damn pricing on all of tech the last 3-4 years, these boards included.

 

[arbiter]

To me that 2nd picture where they compare their board to intel boards that are 2 years old now when intel is about to release new stuff kinda seems dumb. better just comparing it their own old stuff.

 

[A Computer Guy]

For a long term socket it was shortsighted not to have enough PCIe lanes for AIC slots or simply allow more choices to share those plentiful x4 NVMe's with AIC's slots to be able to squeeze out an x8 and x4 for use with expansion cards. Instead NVMe slots going to waste

 

[Sarajiel]

Who is running 5 nvme drives at the same time? There are a handful of boards that will do 1x pcie 5.0 4x and then 2x pcie 4.0 4x nvme drives without any interruption to the pcie 16x GPU slot.

I do.
My primary B650E Aorus Master system has 6x internal M.2s, the secondary B650E Aorus Master system only runs 5x of them. Admittedly, it’s not your typical gamer use-case, but I doubt that I'm the only one who has such or similar setups.

 

[Ahhzz]

My post was a very, very clear answer.

your post was TROLLING. Stop it.

 

[GamerGuy]

So, basically the X870 is effectively a B850 while the X870E is the true X870? Are there any B850 mobos?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Overpriced refresh..

You mean Early Adopter's TAX.

Price will drop after a month or two.

 

[Daven]

your post was TROLLING. Stop it.

I see it the opposite way. Someone asking why we need more of something in the tech world is trolling. Do YOU really think for the rest of eternity we should not move past USB3? It’s a silly question to ask what USB4 is used for because it’s the same question anyone can ask for EVERY single port upgrade since the first PC ports were created/invented.

 

[mechtech]

So chipsets are in series with last one having 2 nvme slots................so if you have 2 nvmes plugged in could they transfer full speeds to cpu nvme or are they bottlenecked by the everything else sharing the lanes?

 

[T_Zel]

Who is running 5 nvme drives at the same time? There are a handful of boards that will do 1x pcie 5.0 4x and then 2x pcie 4.0 4x nvme drives without any interruption to the pcie 16x GPU slot.

Why are people so mad about having options and or boards they don’t have to purchase?

X670/B650 will drop in price, if you don’t need connectivity you have a cheaper buy in to the platform. I guess be happy AMD isn’t dumping socket support left and right like intel.

Sheesh…

If there’s anything to be justifiably angry about, it’s the damn pricing on all of tech the last 3-4 years, these boards included.

X670/B650 are probably going to drop in price, but if so that's only going to last until the existing stock is gone. With X870/E using the same actual silicon as those older chipsets, you can bet that they aren't going to be directing that same silicon to new production runs of the older, cheaper boards. It will all go into the 800 series boards, 600 series will be discontinued and then you have no option.

 

[eidairaman1]

I might have to go Threadripper/Epyc for pcie slots, not a fan of m.2.

 

[Sarajiel]

So chipsets are in series with last one having 2 nvme slots................so if you have 2 nvmes plugged in could they transfer full speeds to cpu nvme or are they bottlenecked by the everything else sharing the lanes?

They are bottlenecked by reality.
Basically, no X870E is set up like that slide you linked. Most/all (?) boards that were released so far, drop the 2nd NVMe slot from the CPU, and connect the USB4 controller instead. To compensate for that loss, many boards bifurcate the PCIe x16 slot in some way or other.
I assume, it comes down to trace lengths and the fact that most layouts place the second chipset near the bottom PCIe slots.

X670/B650 are probably going to drop in price, but if so that's only going to last until the existing stock is gone.

That already happened around June where I live. Personally, I bought three additional AM5 boards, discounted by €50 to €80 each compared to the prices at the beginning of the year. If you want a specific model, you might already be too late.

 

[AusWolf]

I just checked Scan UK. There seems to be no X870 or X870E motherboards in m-ATX size. A paper launch, perhaps?

 

[Sarajiel]

There seems to be no X870 or X870E motherboards in m-ATX size.

There weren't many B650E or X670E µATX boards either. And these are either server boards with BMC in the case of B650E, or the Crosshair X670E Gene which was an XOC board that cost as much as the Hero. There is basically not enough space to utilize two chipsets in most cases.

Maybe we see another Gene, but I wouldn't hold my breath for many X870 or X870 µATX boards. However, mini-ITX gets some expensive love from Asus in the form of the ASUS ROG Strix X870-I Gaming WIFI.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Buy and Intel Z890 and you get TB4 and hence usb-4 support.

 

[AusWolf]

There weren't many B650E or X670E µATX boards either. And these are either server boards with BMC in the case of B650E, or the Crosshair X670E Gene which was an XOC board that cost as much as the Hero. There is basically not enough space to utilize two chipsets in most cases.

Maybe we see another Gene, but I wouldn't hold my breath for many X870 or X870 µATX boards. However, mini-ITX gets some expensive love from Asus in the form of the ASUS ROG Strix X870-I Gaming WIFI.

Yeah, but there's lots of decent B650 m-ATX options. The ROG Strix line is way overpriced, imo.

Oh well, not that I need PCI-e 5.0 anyway.

 

[Launcestonian]

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone wants USB3. For that matter, I also wonder about USB2 and USB1. And quick frankly why USB at all when we had PS/2, RS232 and parallel. Even those were overboard to just a 5-pin DIN. Who needs a mouse with all those keyboard short-cuts?

You make a good point, for yrs already now in real world usage, USB3 is still very far from being saturated with data transfers. All this kerfuffle with USB standards is down right annoying & just "theoretical speeds" are nothing but marketing BS for gullible consumers. Tech industry has to "innovate" (which is a joke in itself) to keep selling stuff with BIG NUMBERS designed to sell something.
USB4.....

Back to the original article though, I want to see real world benchmarks & stress testing with RAM overclocks in particular. Sources I've seen suggest improved memory tracers for X870E boards.

 

[A&P211]

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone wants USB3. For that matter, I also wonder about USB2 and USB1. And quick frankly why USB at all when we had PS/2, RS232 and parallel. Even those were overboard to just a 5-pin DIN. Who needs a mouse with all those keyboard short-cuts?

The keyboard is like real life, I wanted a short cut to my ex-girl friend, but someone else already found that shortcut. From that day, I dont want anymore shortcuts, I want the real keystroke.

*dont mind me, I'm high

Where is MSI X870E Godlike?

Maybe you should pray for it, the god(s) will surely answer.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

I'm still trying to understand why everyone wants USB4.

What are people waiting to connect to these mandatory ports?

Main use cases? Direct-attach storage enclosures and VR headsets. Both benefit from higher throughput and support for higher power delivery, making the idea of a unified cable actually feasible for once as opposed to having awkward breakout boxes or multiple cables. The limiting factor at this point is probably distance, since you still need active cables to get a reach beyond maybe 2m.

 

[R-T-B]

I see it the opposite way. Someone asking why we need more of something in the tech world is trolling.

Even if that was true, what you did was still trolling. Two trolls don't make your troll justified.

 

[AusWolf]

Main use cases? Direct-attach storage enclosures and VR headsets. Both benefit from higher throughput and support for higher power delivery, making the idea of a unified cable actually feasible for once as opposed to having awkward breakout boxes or multiple cables. The limiting factor at this point is probably distance, since you still need active cables to get a reach beyond maybe 2m.

Yep. Personally, I have no use for USB 4 or PCI-e 5.0 because I don't have any device that could use the higher speed and power, but I don't mock those who do.

 

[_roman_]

You make a good point, for yrs already now in real world usage, USB3 is still very far from being saturated with data transfers.

I disagree.

Cheap WD BLUE NVME in a 10gbps USB3 case on a USB 3 port is utilised a lot here while i do backups or when i boot from that drive.
I overpaid in summer 2023 for that backup drive.
I would have gone for a 20gbps nvme usb case when the price would have been more affordable. My mainboard has only one or two 20gbps USB 3 ports. The 20gbps usb nvme cases are still too expensive.
I create hole offline system images which are encrypted in around 6 minutes. Many years I had via 5gbps USB SATA SSD backup times with similar sizes which took me over 25 minutes. It's my user data and my system which i compile over 1400 packages from source code. Real life szenario different file systems, small and smallest files. There was a noticeable big improvement changing from usb 3 SATA SSD to usb 3 NVME SSD. I'm not sure if 20gbps usb3 case would make any sense. My desktop system noticeable hangs in daily use with higher compression and encryption on the file system (low end ryzen 7600X - 64GiB RAM - KC3000 2TB NVME drive as source).

 

[Readlight]

Why TUF, Tomahawk 40€ more than Riptide?

 

[DaemonForce]

Aaaaand let me guess on the Asus side. The TUF is once again the only one that makes perfect sense at its price point while the Strix-I is at least double price from the territory where the pricing comes unglued from reality?