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Slowing Demand Growth Constrains Q4 Memory Price Increases

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TrendForce's latest findings reveal that weaker consumer demand has persisted through 3Q24, leaving AI servers as the primary driver of memory demand. This dynamic, combined with HBM production displacing conventional DRAM capacity, has led suppliers to maintain a firm stance on contract price hikes.

Smartphone brands continue to remain cautious despite some server OEMs continuing to show purchasing momentum. Consequently, TrendForce forecasts that Q4 memory prices will see a significant slowdown in growth, with conventional DRAM expected to increase by only 0-5%. However, benefiting from the rising share of HBM, the average price of overall DRAM is projected to rise 8-13%—a marked deceleration compared to the previous quarter.




PC DRAM prices expected to stabilize
PC OEMs have experienced a lackluster Q3 despite the traditional peak sales season owing to Intel's Lunar Lake series not yet being released and ongoing consumer hesitation. Inventory clearance efforts have intensified due to heightened DRAM procurement costs, a trend expected to persist into Q4 that will reduce bit volume purchases.

In mid-to-late Q3, the spot market saw an influx of low-priced DDR4 and DDR5 components from dismantled modules, prompting module makers to ramp up their purchases of these cheaper alternatives to lower costs. Looking ahead to Q4, as the capacity impact of HBM production continues to expand, suppliers may still push for PC DRAM price hikes. However, this effort will likely be undermined by PC OEMs' cautious inventory strategies and weak spot market trends. Consequently, TrendForce anticipates that PC DRAM prices will remain flat compared to the previous quarter.

Server DRAM prices expected to increase by 0-5% QoQ
US-based CSPs reduced server DRAM procurement due to high inventory levels in the third quarter. Meanwhile, the Chinese market has shown signs of recovery but still remains insufficient in driving overall demand. TrendForce projects that overall server DRAM bit shipments will improve in Q4, as DDR5 momentum improves and the low base in Q3 sets the stage, with average contract prices rising by 0-5% QoQ.

LPDDR4X mobile DRAM prices expected to decline by 5-10%; LPDDR5X prices to remain stable
Smartphone brands focused on reducing existing mobile DRAM inventory in Q3 and resisted supplier price adjustments through delayed procurement strategies. This caused demand for mobile DRAM to drop by over 30% sequentially. TrendForce expects this passive procurement approach to persist into Q4 as brands aim for more favorable quarterly contract prices.

TrendForce reveals that oversupply is becoming apparent because of the rapid capacity expansion of Chinese supplier CXMT in LPDDR4X, leading to an anticipated Q4 contract price decline of 5-10%. Conversely, LPDDR5X inventory levels remain relatively healthy, and supply has not increased significantly, so Q4 prices are expected to stay stable.

Graphics DRAM prices projected to remain flat
Q4 demand for graphics demand remains lackluster, with only a slight uptick in orders from VGA card manufacturers. Suppliers have eased their push for price hikes, while buyers continue to stockpile inventory, leading to stable prices through Q4. Although there are no immediate signs of a price drop, suppliers are closely monitoring inventory levels of buyers. Furthermore, as similar capacity is increasingly being allocated to HBM production, suppliers are adopting a conservative approach to GDDR production planning.

Consumer DRAM: DDR3 prices may drop 0-5%; DDR4 to remain stable
Overall demand in the consumer DRAM market remains weak, and as year-end approaches, buyers are adopting an increasingly cautious restocking strategy. Although there has been some minor uptick in orders from networking clients for Wi-Fi 7, it has been insufficient to drive significant demand growth.

For DDR3, Taiwanese manufacturers have continued to expand capacity while the three major suppliers have been gradually reducing production each quarter. Coupled with a sharp decline in demand, this has led to oversupply in the market. Q3 prices remained largely flat compared to Q2, but in Q4, some suppliers may resort to price cuts to meet shipment targets, potentially causing contract prices to decline by 0-5%.

Meanwhile, DDR4 continues to be the mainstream consumer DRAM product, but with ongoing production increases from Chinese manufacturers, the possibility of a price drop cannot be ruled out.

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Ah yes prices hikes because demand is declining after price hikes because there was to much demand
That's not what the headlines says though, rather, due to lack of demand, prices aren't expected to increase. Instead, we should expect stable DRAM pricing for the time being.
 
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Stability is good :)

So this is not a "the more you buy, the more you save" thing like a certain GPU maker says, but rather a "the less you buy, the less we will jack up the prices" thing, go figure... :cry:...:fear:..:eek:
 
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If there are no 1GiB DDR4 Modules on every NVME no wonder. I really wonder why they did not stick with the old cheap DDR3 RAM on NVMe.
 
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These are all just expectations, which could be changed by a number of reasons - any issue in the supply chain, change of projected demand, weather above factories etc.
 

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If there are no 1GiB DDR4 Modules on every NVME no wonder. I really wonder why they did not stick with the old cheap DDR3 RAM on NVMe.
DDR3 is going up in price and it's 1. too slow for the fastest SSD controllers 2. uses too much power vs. newer types of DDR memory 3. it uses higher Voltage than more recent types of DDR memory and 4. most likely runs hotter at the same speeds as more recent types of DDR memory.
Right now, DDR4 should be the most cost effective options on SSDs.

These are all just expectations, which could be changed by a number of reasons - any issue in the supply chain, change of projected demand, weather above factories etc.
Sure, but currently there are no indications that prices will be going up, which means that there's no point running out and buying stuff because prices are expected to go up in the near future.
I did the mistake of getting an extra SSD a few years ago, as prices were not bad, but there were rumblings about prices going up, instead they dropped and that drive was 30-40% cheaper a year later. I guess it's back up to what it was when I got again though. At least I got a few really affordable drives last year when the pricing hit rock bottom.
 
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That's not what the headlines says though, rather, due to lack of demand, prices aren't expected to increase. Instead, we should expect stable DRAM pricing for the time being.
That’s what it means in reality as they will scale back production so they can raise prices as the product becomes more scarce.
 
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Ryzen processors from where am at already jacked up by a lot.
 

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That’s what it means in reality as they will scale back production so they can raise prices as the product becomes more scarce.
It's not always possible to scale back production though, as right now, there seems to be sufficient demand that it's not an option, but not so much demand that prices are expected to go up.

Ryzen processors from where am at already jacked up by a lot.
And that has what to with DRAM production and pricing?
 
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It's not always possible to scale back production though, as right now, there seems to be sufficient demand that it's not an option, but not so much demand that prices are expected to go up.


And that has what to with DRAM production and pricing?
silicon altogether and the global trend you just posted, I missed to add that part.
 
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Who the heck is producing these reports? PC DRAM is down over the Q3 and spot prices have only begun to stabilize!

DDR4, especially higher capacity modules, has hit a bottom not seen even during last years crash. If anything, Q4 could increase somewhat, given it is now found a more stable price and the last quarter is usually strong in demand.

Just go check any price comparison engine that keeps a history of prices.
 

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Who the heck is producing these reports? PC DRAM is down over the Q3 and spot prices have only begun to stabilize!
TrendForce, which is the company behind DRAMeXchange.
This is not about retail pricing, this is about market/trading price, which means that there's about a three month gap between their reports and what you see in retail.
 
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Every 7 or so years when you read a story like this. It turns into a fine and verdict of collusion. Just when DDR5 prices have started to stabilize. This happens. I expect to pay at least $30 more for the kit I currently have.
 
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TrendForce, which is the company behind DRAMeXchange.
This is not about retail pricing, this is about market/trading price, which means that there's about a three month gap between their reports and what you see in retail.

Yeah, but I follow DRAM eXchange daily and those are also tracking retail prices pretty well. g.Skill seems to currently be selling 32GB kits at a 5-10% margin over spot prices. 16GB (2x8GB) are mostly stable or slightly down from Q2.

Even for market pricing, DRAM eXchange prices were down over all of Q3 and they say it went up 8-10%?

Not to complain of a report you did not elaborate but (as you can see by the comments), people think RAM has gotten more expensive and it has been opposite for months. (32GB of the same 3200 RAM now costs 10eur less than what I paid for 16GB in the fall of 2022).
 
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