AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D "Zen 5" Spied in Cinebench, Boosts up to 5.20 GHz All-core

[btarunr]

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D is rumored to launch sooner than expected, with the company targeting at least an announcement within October, with reviews and product availability within Q4 2024. The chip combines the latest "Zen 5" microarchitecture with 3D V-cache technology, and is expected to increase AMD's gaming performance outlook compared to the 7800X3D, which remains the fastest processor for gaming. An alleged screenshot of the processor grinding away at Cinebench surfaced, which reveals that the processor is capable of a 5.20 GHz all-core boost frequency, and comes with an impressive 4.70 GHz base frequency.

To put these clock speeds into perspective, the current Ryzen 7 9700X processor without the 3D V-cache, comes with a 3.80 GHz base and 5.50 GHz maximum boost frequency. This would be the first time that an X3D SKU is coming with a higher base frequency than a regular SKU. For example, the 7800X3D comes with a 4.20 GHz base frequency compared to the 4.50 GHz of the 7700X. Interestingly, the 5.20 GHz all-core boost frequency of the 9800X3D is on par with the all-core boost of the 9700X, which only hits 5.50 GHz boost on lightly threaded workloads. It remains to be seen what TDP and package power tracking (PPT) values AMD gives the 9800X3D, given that it had to retrofit the SKU with a 105 W cTDP mode via firmware, to eke out an up to 10% performance gain over the original specs.



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[Hyderz]

im expecting a 10% average lead over 7800x3d

 

[phanbuey]

5.2 ghz during the "preparing" phase is questionable.

 

[ratirt]

The regular 9700x didn't bring much more to the table when compared to 7700x. I'm not convinced the 9800x3d is going to be much faster here but we will see.
Power consumption will be higher though. I'm skeptic about it since 7800x3d is a great one for gaming with low power consumption. The 9800x3d is going to be faster but at higher power consumption so not much of a celebration.

 

[SL2]

Power consumption will be higher though.

Since gaming is at focus I'd say it's all a toss-up given the previous numbers (unlike MT load). Max Hz is important of course, but I'm still surprised that the 7700X and the 9700X ends up the same.

Given the lower temps now I'm not worried tho.

 

[Vayra86]

Right these X3Ds are going nowhere, clearly. More power for higher clock. Ergo inefficiency. I think my 7800X3D will be relevant for a looooong time...

 

[Bwaze]

"AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D is rumored to launch sooner than expected, with the company targeting at least an announcement within October, with reviews and product availability within Q4 2024."

Weren't there rumours of October release? Was that just a clever ploy to force Intel to stop fidgeting, finalize and release it's processors, and now AMD can go back to previous plan, maybe vague announcement in October, "release" much later and availability when they feel like it?

 

[SL2]

Weren't there rumours of October release?

Oh you think AMD is in full control and responsible for all rumors about everything AMD?

IIRC:

First rumor: 3D models in october, or even september.
Second rumor: 3D models in Q1.
Third rumor: 9800X3D in october - november, the rest in Q1.

The first two rumors never differentiated between models, so they were actually right in some sense. Then again, it may all be completely wrong alltogether, since it's all still.. rumors.

 

[Space Lynx]

Right these X3Ds are going nowhere, clearly. More power for higher clock. Ergo inefficiency. I think my 7800X3D will be relevant for a looooong time...

I still can't believe Microcenter sold the 7800x3d for $196 that one time, and it was like a two week sale, and they never sold out. I know it was in-person only, but wtf, that was deal of the century, lol

[US] - Ryzen 7800x3d $196 with bundle at Microcenter

add Mobo and ram of your choice to cart. and price will automatically change on CPU. Microcenter just price adjusted me too since I just picked mine up two days ago.

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[claster17]

5.2 ghz during the "preparing" phase is questionable.

According to HWiNFO, my 7800X3D applies a multiplier of 47 during the preparing phase and 47.3 during rendering.
However mine also runs at 103 MHz eCLK, 2133 MHz FCLK and I had my daily stuff running in the background.

Apparantly a stock 7800X3D would run it at 4.8 GHz.

 

[SL2]

I still can't believe Microcenter sold the 7800x3d for $196 that one time, and it was like a two week sale, and they never sold out. I know it was in-person only, but wtf, that was deal of the century, lol

Yeah, unbelievable.

Also, those those dreamy 9000/200 CPU posts aged like fine wine lol

Spoiler: Also also

Those low intensity flamebait posts from you-know-who (code name prescott) never ends..

 

[Metroid]

RIP AL.

I still can't believe Microcenter sold the 7800x3d for $196 that one time, and it was like a two week sale, and they never sold out. I know it was in-person only, but wtf, that was deal of the century, lol

[US] - Ryzen 7800x3d $196 with bundle at Microcenter

add Mobo and ram of your choice to cart. and price will automatically change on CPU. Microcenter just price adjusted me too since I just picked mine up two days ago.

www.techpowerup.com

Sadly i decided not to buy, waiting on the 9800x3d.

 

[Wasteland]

I still can't believe Microcenter sold the 7800x3d for $196 that one time, and it was like a two week sale, and they never sold out. I know it was in-person only, but wtf, that was deal of the century, lol

[US] - Ryzen 7800x3d $196 with bundle at Microcenter

add Mobo and ram of your choice to cart. and price will automatically change on CPU. Microcenter just price adjusted me too since I just picked mine up two days ago.

www.techpowerup.com

Ouch. Fast forward to today:

@Vayra86 's chip may not just be relevant for a long time. At this rate, he may be able to sell it in ten years and retire on the profit.

 

[ratirt]

Since gaming is at focus I'd say it's all a toss-up given the previous numbers (unlike MT load). Max Hz is important of course, but I'm still surprised that the 7700X and the 9700X ends up the same.

Given the lower temps now I'm not worried tho.

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Your worry is temps but my worry is inefficiency which comes from higher clocks to market a product as faster for better sales.
We are different people who look at different aspects of the product.
Constantly increasing power consumption, to get more performance is not an advancement. You don't worry about it today but what about tomorrow? Intel did it with the 13th and the 14th gen and look where it got them. Real innovation lies somewhere else than increase power to get more performance, or perf/power metric.

 

[Vayra86]

Ouch. Fast forward to today:

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@Vayra86 's chip may not just be relevant for a long time. At this rate, he may be able to sell it in ten years and retire on the profit.

I've already got my MTG cards for that But yeah lol if that trajectory holds...

I still can't believe Microcenter sold the 7800x3d for $196 that one time, and it was like a two week sale, and they never sold out. I know it was in-person only, but wtf, that was deal of the century, lol

[US] - Ryzen 7800x3d $196 with bundle at Microcenter

add Mobo and ram of your choice to cart. and price will automatically change on CPU. Microcenter just price adjusted me too since I just picked mine up two days ago.

www.techpowerup.com

Yeah for you, I still got mine for 340,- EUR. Lucky bastards.

 

[SL2]

Constantly increasing power consumption, to get more performance is not an advancement. You don't worry about it today but what about tomorrow? Intel did it with the 13th and the 14th gen and look where it got them. Real innovation lies somewhere else than increase power to get more performance, or perf/power metric.

None of us have seen a review, let alone used it, so it doesn't matter right now. Worrying won't help either, since you'll be able to read decent reviews before you can buy it.

The reason I focused on temp and not W is that the former was more of a subject the last time.

 

[maximumterror]

Since gaming is at focus I'd say it's all a toss-up given the previous numbers (unlike MT load). Max Hz is important of course, but I'm still surprised that the 7700X and the 9700X ends up the same.

Given the lower temps now I'm not worried tho.

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I understand that these numbers depend on the graphics card you have. Because I have a Ryzen 5700X (65w) with 6600 graphics and in games the CPU power is 25-30 watts. I have never seen 65 watts even as a single spike.

 

[Philaphlous]

Picture leak looks like it was from an iphone 3....

 

[Godrilla]

I'll take 10% in gaming gains over 7800X3D. The 5090 will probaby need all the cpu gains you can throw at it to mitigate cpu bottleneck. Although I was hoping for a 15% delta.

 

[phints]

im expecting a 10% average lead over 7800x3d

Agreed this sounds like a reasonable jump considering Zen 5 has been... modest. Likely a little more power efficient too.

 

[phanbuey]

I'll take 10% in gaming gains over 7800X3D. The 5090 will probaby need all the cpu gains you can throw at it to mitigate cpu bottleneck. Although I was hoping for a 15% delta.

I think with the windows patch fixes, agesa fixes, and higher clocks it's actually going to be 15% faster than the 7800X3D performance we had 3 months ago. Interested in seeing the reviews.

 

[SL2]

Just a silly thought.. could it be possible that the 9700X benefits more from having more cache/is more cache starved/is held back more by the current IOD than a 7700X due to the Zen5 architecture, and that we'll see higher performance gains in Zen5 models when V-cache is added, maybe even outside games now that the Hz difference is smaller?

Spoiler: Disclaimer

This is not an attempt to go looking for yet another magic potion to fix Zen5, I'm just wondering if we really know everything about Zen5 at this point, given all the changes (mostly server focused.. seemingly) that has been made. Nooo, that's not the same thing.

 

[AnotherReader]

Just a silly thought.. could it be possible that the 9700X benefits more from having more cache/is more cache starved/is held back more by the current IOD than a 7700X due to the Zen5 architecture, and that we'll see higher performance gains in Zen5 models when V-cache is added, maybe even outside games now that the Hz difference is smaller?

Spoiler: Disclaimer

This is not an attempt to go looking for yet another magic potion to fix Zen5, I'm just wondering if we really know everything about Zen5 at this point, given all the changes (mostly server focused.. seemingly) that has been made. Nooo, that's not the same thing.

Zen 5 is more memory bound than Zen 4 so gains from more cache should be greater. Of course, we don't know how significant they will be.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Cinebench looks like it gets a nice boost. Wonder what the games are gona do

 

[SL2]

Cinebench looks like it gets a nice boost. Wonder what the games are gona do

That would've been impressive!

CB 2024 MT TPU reviews -

9950X: 8 % faster than a 7950X
9700X: 5 % faster than a 7700X
9700X: 9% faster than a 7700 (same TDP)


Edit: Should have gone with R23..

From this review.

9700X: 19 % faster than a 7700X in R23 MT, both 105 W