Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger Holds Up a Next-Gen "Panther Lake" Mobile Processor

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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger was a special guest at Lenovo Tech World 2024, the computing giant's annual showcase of its latest innovations. The opening keynote address saw Gelsinger make a special appearance to greet Lenovo CEO Yang Yuanqing, but he wasn't alone. In his pocket was a next-generation "Panther Lake" processor. This chip appears to be an H-segment package for mainstream notebooks, which makes the chip a direct successor to the "Arrow Lake-H" mobile processor that comes out in Q1-2025.

According to leaks from reliable sources, "Panther Lake-H" is said to come in CPU core-counts of up to 18. That's 6P+8E+4LP. It sees the reintroduction of low-power island E-cores located in the SoC tile. The six P-cores are "Cougar Cove," which could feature a generational IPC uplift over the current "Lion Cove," while the current "Skymont" E-cores are carried forward into "Panther Lake." The SoC tile could see an upgrade to a newer foundry node from its current 6 nm on "Arrow Lake," to accommodate the low-power island E-cores, and possibly a faster NPU. The iGPU of "Panther Lake" is allegedly based on the next-generation Xe3 "Celestial" graphics architecture. This faster iGPU, along with a faster NPU, low-power island E-cores, and slightly faster P-cores, could be what "Panther Lake-H" brings to the table. Given that "Arrow Lake-H" sees an early-2025 introduction, we don't expect "Panther Lake-H" out till at least 2026.



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[Chomiq]

In before Cougar Lake.

 

[Hyderz]

I’m tired of lakes, can we move onto lagoon, rivers, swamp, pond, gulf or glaciers….

 

[MaMoo]

Feels very performative.

 

[Daven]

I just looked up the estimated number of lakes in the world…117 million!! This is gonna take awhile.

 

[Ruru]

I can't even keep up with all these Lakes anymore.

 

[Space Lynx]

time to throttle with those laptop heatsinks like always baby! rock on Wayne! rock on Garth!

 

[A&P211]

This cpu in 2026 will be late.

 

[Vayra86]

Seriously, the numerous product releases Intel has don't really seem to help them. Has it occurred to them that less could be more?

 

[Caring1]

It doesn't look very impressive.






That's what she said.

 

[A&P211]

time to throttle with those laptop heatsinks like always baby! rock on Wayne! rock on Garth!

PARTY ON!!

 

[bonehead123]

I just looked up the estimated number of lakes in the world…117 million!! This is gonna take awhile.

Yea, but how many of them are gonna be dried up by the time they get around to using their names ?

Answer: most of them, especially if we hoomAns keep building new chip fabs everywhere, which require a buttload of water to operate

 

[Lycanwolfen]

Intel is like we are comming out with new CPU, Plenty of E cores to go around. But your losing to AMD no problem here even more E cores and Low Power Cores. But your still losing to AMD.
My next box going to be AMD, I'm tired of just being left behind now, Intel you had a great run but your current market ideas are dead and Pat really needs to be fired.

I'm still running a Core i9 9900 KF the last pure 8 core 16 thread CPU and it still does the job. Fast and works gaming is awesome.
Even with the Ultra new ones do not see a pure 8 or 16 core 32 thread monster. Nope I think they even dropped hyperthreading now. /sigh.

 

[LittleBro]

They have Xe3 "Celestial" already finalized? Then why does is take so long to release discrete GPU with Xe2 "Battlemage"? Why is upcoming Arrow Lake still using old "Alchemist" from Meteor Lake instead of "Battlemage"? Something stinks here.

 

[phanbuey]

The Dead Sea is technically a lake.

It's the lake I think of most when I consider Intel.

I can see it now - the Intel 'Dead Sea' AI Core Ultra Maxxx AI 9 499KS 38.25 core processor with AI accelleration and 8 P cores.

 

[chrcoluk]

Seriously, the numerous product releases Intel has don't really seem to help them. Has it occurred to them that less could be more?

They got hands in too many pies.

 

[Wirko]

It doesn't look very impressive.

At least it seems polished. If Pat manages to make a proper rearview mirror out of it, that will be impressive.

That's what she said.

Now we'll start guessing who "she" is in this sentence.

 

[TristanX]

it could be better to show running CB and GB, to show real perf

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Now we'll start guessing who "she" is in this sentence.

Dr. Su

 

[Lycanwolfen]

The Dead Sea is technically a lake.

It's the lake I think of most when I consider Intel.

I can see it now - the Intel 'Dead Sea' AI Core Ultra Maxxx AI 9 499KS 38.25 core processor with AI accelleration.

Could not agree with you even more than what you said. Intel is living in a dead sea. Intel has lost it's edge, AMD is out playing them every turn. The big difference is pure core CPU's no E cores no LP cores pure 16 core or 12 core or 8 core cpus will alyways beat this P+E+LP cores anyday.

Seems now the only Good Desktop CPU's they make is workstation CPU's like a xeon but they are over 6 grand.

Intel really needs to make a 16 core or heck even a 24 core P core monster. And it does not even have to run at fast speed. a Pure 16 core P core running at 4.5 ghz would complete with AMD today.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

So many lakes and coves and platforms, one can barely keep anything straight. Pat really needs to get intel under control. Simplify the names, start competing.

 

[phanbuey]

"We will compete, by the cunning use of lakes and coves, while simultaneously running a super generic and not descripitive Core Ultra 3,5,7 naming scheme, to confuse the crap out of everyone so they don't know which generation they're actually trying to buy."

 

[Daven]

Could not agree with you even more than what you said. Intel is living in a dead sea. Intel has lost it's edge, AMD is out playing them every turn. The big difference is pure core CPU's no E cores no LP cores pure 16 core or 12 core or 8 core cpus will alyways beat this P+E+LP cores anyday.

Seems now the only Good Desktop CPU's they make is workstation CPU's like a xeon but they are over 6 grand.

Intel really needs to make a 16 core or heck even a 24 core P core monster. And it does not even have to run at fast speed. a Pure 16 core P core running at 4.5 ghz would complete with AMD today.

Just wait until the 9950X3D comes out in January with cache chips on both chiplets. It will make Intel look even more like they are going in reverse. The 9950X3D would be a nice upgrade over your 9900KF. You will feel like you are running advanced alien tech in comparison.

 

[Dave65]

Did Pat say it was the end of AMD like he did when 14th gen came out?

 

[Vincero]

Just wait until the 9950X3D comes out in January with cache chips on both chiplets. It will make Intel look even more like they are going in reverse. The 9950X3D would be a nice upgrade over your 9900KF. You will feel like you are running advanced alien tech in comparison.

My only fear with that is the fact that the TDP limitations with the stacked cache means that it's gonna be a knife-edge part - really great in some instances and unbelievably poor value for money in others. I mean, currently, the single CCD X3D chips have that issue so another CCD added to the heat-spreader alongside the lower tolerance to boost clocks are not doing any favours.

On the other hand, many people feel that the Zen5 cores on the Ryzen 9000 parts already released are a bit bandwidth starved - if they really are being held back (in comparison to the Ryzen 7000 range) from reaching their best performance, X3D will address that somewhat and give a glimpse into how well Zen5 scales with extra cache.

For the expected price, some may not be too keen to buy a CPU that can be outperformed by something less than half that price.
They'll sell - I mean the X3D chips do great in FF14, Baldurs Gate 3, etc. - if they buck the trend and offer a general performance uplift in the majority of use cases then maybe X3D chips will actually be justifiable as a recommendation (albeit an expensive one) apart from the 'just for gaming' tag it has right now.

As for the held up panther lake demo product, I wonder if that actually has any alpha/beta silicon from Intel's newest 18A process they're working.