ASUS Motherboard Manual Shows 3D V-Cache Coming to Threadripper

[AleksandarK]

Just last week, AMD announced the arrival of its upcoming Ryzen 9000 series of CPUs with 3D V-Cache for November 7. However, we might be in for a treat, as AMD could be preparing Threadripper 9000WX/X series of CPUs with 3D V-Cache. According to VideoCardz, the ASUS Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE board appears to include an intriguing feature in its settings—there's a configuration option related to 3D V-Cache control, though this setting currently doesn't have any practical application with the available Threadripper 7000WX and 7000X processors. The presence of this setting hasn't been officially documented by ASUS, showing that this feature could indeed end up in future iterations of Threadripper processors, namely the 9000WX/X series.

AMD currently offers 3D V-Cache treatment in its high-end Genoa-X CPUs, with up to 96 cores and 192 threads, and 1,152 MB of L3 cache. These CPUs were praised for their capabilities in the high-performance computing sector, performing calculations at unprecedented rates thanks to the massive cache size and bandwidth. If AMD decides to opt-in for the HEDT market with 3D V-Cache, we might see an appearance with the upcoming Threadripper generation. However, right now, it is only speculation based on undocumented features in ASUS's high-end board. Even if these CPUs are planned, we are not near their launch as the priority is launching and shipping the consumer-oriented Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU on November 7.



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[Chaitanya]

Epyc handmedowns, should be a very interesting CPU for the tasks that can me use of it.

 

[tpa-pr]

I don't need it, I can't afford it but BOY do I want one if it's true lol.

That being said, i'm curious for an expert opinion: would the 3D cache help with workstation tasks that these CPUs are normally reserved for (CAD and rendering and the like)? I didn't think 3D cache helped much with non-gaming workloads based on discussion about the 7800/9800X3D.

 

[demu]

I don't need it, I can't afford it but BOY do I want one if it's true lol.

That being said, i'm curious for an expert opinion: would the 3D cache help with workstation tasks that these CPUs are normally reserved for (CAD and rendering and the like)? I didn't think 3D cache helped much with non-gaming workloads based on discussion about the 7800/9800X3D.

If you don't believe 3D cache in other application than games, why AMD is offering several EPYC -models with 3D cache?
AMD Epyc 7373X, 16C/32T
AMD Epyc 7573X, 32C/64T
AMD Epyc 7473X, 24C/48T
AMD Epyc 9184X, 16C/32T
AMD Epyc 9384X, 32C/64T
AMD Epyc 7773X, 64C/128T
AMD Epyc 9684X, 96C/192T

 

[HBSound]

Nice!

 

[Draconis]

That being said, i'm curious for an expert opinion: would the 3D cache help with workstation tasks that these CPUs are normally reserved for (CAD and rendering and the like)? I didn't think 3D cache helped much with non-gaming workloads based on discussion about the 7800/9800X3D.

I'm not an expert but there are a few use cases where extra cache is beneficial. Certain Simulation apps is one, check the 7000X vs 7000X3D at this Anandtech link, but not all check this TPU link.

There are other areas where the X3D CPU will edge it's non X3D counterpart but not as much as Simulation and in most benchmarks could be within margin of error.

 

[tpuuser256]

That could mean a full cached up 9950x3d

 

[Draconis]

That could mean a full cached up 9950x3d

If the rumours are true and we do get a full cached 9950x3d with a much smaller hit on frequency it would give us a better picture on where cache would be beneficial in non gaming workloads.

 

[TechLurker]

I still dream of a basic 16c/32t or 32c/64t Threadripper with more focus on I/O but serviceable for gaming. An X3D variant would be perfect in a home server; allowing for game-streaming at home to a simpler and quieter PC.

 

[kimbentsen]

Just give us the V-Cache version first. Stop playing games.

 

[tpuuser256]

I still dream of a basic 16c/32t or 32c/64t Threadripper with more focus on I/O but serviceable for gaming. An X3D variant would be perfect in a home server; allowing for game-streaming at home to a simpler and quieter PC.

7960X ? As a threadripper, it packs a ton of cache.

 

[ypsylon]

I don't need it, I can't afford it but BOY do I want one if it's true lol.

That being said, i'm curious for an expert opinion: would the 3D cache help with workstation tasks that these CPUs are normally reserved for (CAD and rendering and the like)? I didn't think 3D cache helped much with non-gaming workloads based on discussion about the 7800/9800X3D.

Not an expert opinion, but EPYC-X models are targeted at financial services or science services like fluid dynamic. There extra cache is super desired to feed as much data as possible, as quickly as possible. They'll sell every single of those and then some. While banking/trading sector (think DOW or Nasdaq) is aiming for low core count/high frequency/tons of cache (billions of transactions every hour across the Globe) - Science aims for plenty of cores, lower freq, plenty of cache.

Basically if you can fill the cache of CPU even in 3D rendering it'll still be beneficial. It's faster to read geometry data from L3 cache than from RAM or swap file obviously. So if you have say 2TB of geometry to render it'll be much faster on X EPYC with 1.1 GB of cache than on Threadripper/Pro with 128 MB.