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Windows 11 Gains 3% in OS Market Share, Windows 10 Remains on Top

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1. Windows 10 support is EOL. Windows 10 isn't. As long as you have it installed, or have the installer on a USB drive, you can keep using it until the end of times. ;)
2. I don't think people with no desire or money to upgrade their old PCs have any more desire to upgrade Windows to a new version on their old PCs.
About 6 months ago, I was standing in line at Best Buy (I know, I know), listening in on a Geek Squad conversation with a customer. A lady had brought her wheezing PC in, and the tech was explaining how he could clean it up and also upgrade it to Windows 10. Basically, she made it through most of W10’s lifespan without ever even knowing it existed. I can’t imagine her experience is unique. My wife avoids updates like the plague.
 
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About 6 months ago, I was standing in line at Best Buy (I know, I know), listening in on a Geek Squad conversation with a customer. A lady had brought her wheezing PC in, and the tech was explaining how he could clean it up and also upgrade it to Windows 10. Basically, she made it through most of W10’s lifespan without ever even knowing it existed. I can’t imagine her experience is unique. My wife avoids updates like the plague.
Well, if the stats are to be believed, there's still like 2-3% of PCs out there with Windows 7 regularly using the Internet. So, there are still some holdouts.
 
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They're not even synced... it's a mess. Same system-- the old control panel only works on Balanced power plan otherwise those settings do nothing. Computer Management, GPO, Old Control Panel, New Control Panel, Tons of legacy and new services all running by default:
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^ stock 11 24H2...
This is such a mess!
 
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Well, we all know the true EOL for W10 will be the time when Steam stops supporting it :laugh:
On that note, Steam still (unofficially) supports Win7. So do Epic Games Store and EA app :rockout:
 
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1. Windows 10 support is EOL. Windows 10 isn't. As long as you have it installed, or have the installer on a USB drive, you can keep using it until the end of times. ;)
2. I don't think people with no desire or money to upgrade their old PCs have any more desire to upgrade Windows to a new version on their old PCs.

The point of view is absolutely right since Microsoft is unable to control how older Windows OSs are used around the world by people and some companies.

In a world of highly portable and compatible software developers are forced to use older versions of Windows. There are Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7 sometimes on older computers but mostly in VMware to verify that functionality is Not broken.

PS1: I even have an Acer Aspire Netbook with Windows 95 PE installed on a CF card. Works well and very fast since Windows 95 PE uses 512 MB of memory!

PS2: You will be very surprised to learn that some very big US corporations using very old Microsoft development IDEs, like Visual C++ 6.0 Enerprise ( 1994 technology! ).
 
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Well, this tactic backfired with me completely, so good luck to Microsoft keeping the bullshit flowing. :toast:
You, and many experienced users, might eventually find the way out, to either switch to Linux distro of their needs, or continue to use W10, without support, if their tasks and hobby requires so. But the absolute mass of people, would still be aggressively pushed towards the HW upgrade, in order to continue using their handcuffs. Many won't go further, because can't afford it. Many will buy cheapest, in order to continue their work/hobby. But for sure, most would be staggered, and confused.
Many would find the way to use Linux, just in spite, because it can be run even on a toaster, and has way lower requirements, than any recent, or distant Windows OS. So there's no need to upgrade already perfectly working hardware.
I would venture a guess that there are millions and millions of active PCs that can't upgrade to W11 because MS cut them off. We've seen it a few times before. Just because MS says a version of Windows is EOL, it doesn't mean people stop using it. Windows 10 is going to hang around like Windows XP and Windows 7 did. This time, it will probably be even worse, because those users have no upgrade path. What remains to be seen is what sort of messaging MS will apply to W10 at EOL, and how pervasive that will be.
Indeed. People just put too much of fear and attention to the so called "security".
Firstly, because the ones, who needs it, will continue to use it. Much like thousands of machines and equipment, used older version from WXP-to W7, in closed/offline environment, for years. The home users can also feel more or less safe, unless they do some deliberate exposure of their PCs to the dangerous environment, and suspicious web resources.
And secondly, because µ$ own stuff is already pretty suspicious and even dangerous, going on the fringe between explicit scam and malware, and so called "security"/"protection" measures, nobody can feel and be safe.
1. Windows 10 support is EOL. Windows 10 isn't. As long as you have it installed, or have the installer on a USB drive, you can keep using it until the end of times. ;)
2. I don't think people with no desire or money to upgrade their old PCs have any more desire to upgrade Windows to a new version on their old PCs.
Exactly. MS is puushing to hard, but actually have the exaggerated expectations, if they think they can force people with no will or/and money, to go and upgrade. This might be the case, if people will install the W11 (or any MS's next OS), bypassing the TPM and other requirements.
The numbers for windows 11 show that the OS is becoming quite popular. I think Microsoft should be happy with the number of users win 11 has.
It's not becoming popular. MS just deliberately and forcively removes the ability to like, and use the previous OSes. How that can make it more attractive?

On that note, Steam still (unofficially) supports Win7. So do Epic Games Store and EA app :rockout:
Unfortunately this is subject to change, and is in the hands of their (platform/storefront) owners, to decide when. Valve was keeping the support for W7, because, games were designed to run on W7, sometimes exclusively on it. And could be brought to the court, for breaching the terms, or removing the sole support for the bought games, by thousands of users. Especially in the class action. But will this remain the case, considering Valves recent "update" of ToS/EULA. They aren't afraid of anyone anymore.
 
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I honestly cant wait until Nvidia enters the market and we get a Steam-style OS that does desktop stuff and smashes microsoft in the game market. Windows 11 and 10 EOL is an example of why monopolies are bad.
 
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I have no idea why you think NV is interested in developing their own OS and even less idea on why you’d think it would be successful. And Proton isn’t an OS, it’s a translation layer. Steam OS is just a Linux distro, Arch to be precise.
 
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I honestly cant wait until Nvidia enters the market and we get a Steam-style Proton OS that does desktop stuff and smashes microsoft in the game market. Windows 11 and 10 EOL is an example of why monopolies are bad.

It is a very hard task even for NVIDIA!

Absolutely free and open source Linux OS failed to shutter Microsoft's position in a segment of Desktop PCs. I'm Not talking about a Server segment OSs where Linux OSs are dominated.
 
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It is a very hard task even for NVIDIA!

Absolutely free and open source Linux OS failed to shutter Microsoft's position in a segment of Desktop PCs. I'm Not talking about a Server segment OSs where Linux OSs are dominated.
Absolutely free but impossible to use on laptops and huge user learning curve -- if Nvidia can make a linux for the masses that works out of the box, and piggy back off the great software linux already has then MS could be in trouble.
 
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windows 11 is so bloated its amazing
I have a love-hate relationship with the term "bloated". It is exactly how I feel about modern Windows, yet here I am on Bazzite (a gamer version of Fedora Linux) which comes with a million programs by default, yet, it doesn't feel bloated at all. Maybe because 1. You can opt in and out of which programs you want during install, and 2. They're programs that are actually useful (mostly), and 3. They don't eat resources by sneakily running in the background.

I honestly cant wait until Nvidia enters the market and we get a Steam-style Proton OS that does desktop stuff and smashes microsoft in the game market. Windows 11 and 10 EOL is an example of why monopolies are bad.
It exists. It's called Bazzite (or there's also SteamOS for that matter).
 
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And according to the Steam survey, Windows 10 is now in second place with Windows 11 at 51.97% and Windows 10 at 45.95%. Windows 10 is slowly fading away, and will continue to do so no matter how many people kick and scream.
 
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What about other OSes? Windows has just lost me by forcing Copilot on me and by constantly nagging me with an online account and upgrading to Windows 11.

I'm on Linux now, and couldn't be happier. :)

Tried disabling TPM in the bios ?, windows update detects TPM and if you have it disabled it will not offer the win 11 update.
 
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Tried disabling TPM in the bios ?, windows update detects TPM and if you have it disabled it will not offer the win 11 update.
It won't, but it'll still nag me by saying "this PC doesn't meet the requirements of Windows 11" as if I cared. I have a Haswell-based HTPC with no TPM, and it does that every time Windows update opens. Not to mention the constant messages about doing an online account and setting up backup (despite the fact that I disabled both messages multiple times), which is also super annoying.
 
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I think it'd be impossible to measure but I'd be curious to see if the extended support fee has an impact on Windows 10's marketshare in the future, whether the decline either plateaus for a while or becomes very gradual. I don't think Microsoft have ever provided home users the option of extended support before after all?
 
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I think it'd be impossible to measure but I'd be curious to see if the extended support fee has an impact on Windows 10's marketshare in the future, whether the decline either plateaus for a while or becomes very gradual. I don't think Microsoft have ever provided home users the option of extended support before after all?
I think the point of the fee is to incentivise people to switch over to W11 by thinking "if I have to pay, at least I'll pay for something new" or "upgrading for free is cheaper than paying for continued support".

I just don't get why this support thing is such a big deal to be honest. It's not like your OS suddenly became unusable overnight simply by not receiving more updates.
 
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I think the point of the fee is to incentivise people to switch over to W11 by thinking "if I have to pay, at least I'll pay for something new" or "upgrading for free is cheaper than paying for continued support".

I just don't get why this support thing is such a big deal to be honest. It's not like your OS suddenly became unusable overnight simply by not receiving more updates.
Oh I suspect that is the idea, absolutely. But I've also spoken to quite a few people who are of the mind of "you can pry Windows 10 from my cold, dead hands, I'll gladly pay the fee".

It's not so much a big deal as it is something new. Microsoft is providing a way for the average joe to legally and safely continue to use their legacy OS for a reasonable fee. I don't ever recall them doing something like this so the ripple effect in the future will be interesting to observe. People have ALWAYS run legacy versions of Windows outside of their support lifecycles, but this time they might actually remained patched and we might end up with less botnets! :)
 
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Oh I suspect that is the idea, absolutely. But I've also spoken to quite a few people who are of the mind of "you can pry Windows 10 from my cold, dead hands, I'll gladly pay the fee".

It's not so much a big deal as it is something new. Microsoft is providing a way for the average joe to legally and safely continue to use their legacy OS for a reasonable fee. I don't ever recall them doing something like this so the ripple effect in the future will be interesting to observe. People have ALWAYS run legacy versions of Windows outside of their support lifecycles, but this time they might actually remained patched and we might end up with less botnets! :)
I don't think Windows 10 will ever have less bloat. If anything, it'll have more because Microsoft is desperate to push their agenda all across the board. And I really don't see the point of paying the fee when your can just keep using the OS with no future updates. The last major one is two years old anyway, so what more do you want? :)
 
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I don't think Windows 10 will ever have less bloat. If anything, it'll have more because Microsoft is desperate to push their agenda all across the board. And I really don't see the point of paying the fee when your can just keep using the OS with no future updates. The last major one is two years old anyway, so what more do you want? :)
From my experience on the helpdesk side of things there has been a huge push for the average joe to be security-conscious lately. There are government initiatives against malware and scams directed at the consumer, near constant news reports on "safe computing", campaigns and letter-drops from banks and finance institutions etc. I have even had users contact me to say "my bank has detected that my browser is out of date and won't let me log in anymore, can you help me update?".

Depending on the support structure your average Windows 10 user has they may not be given the option to run an unsupported OS anymore. Anyone technically-savvy is going to see that a minor fee is the far better option for their family/friends compared to running an unpatched, internet-facing OS. "Grandpa, you can't run Windows 10 without paying the fee, haven't you seen the news lately? It's only $30".

Because of the controversy around Windows 11, the unavailability of Windows 10 on devices and the aforementioned push for security I do think people will be happy to shell out the fee on expert advice if it means they avoid ending up on the nightly news. This is all hypothesis though.
 
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I have no idea why you think NV is interested in developing their own OS and even less idea on why you’d think it would be successful. And Proton isn’t an OS, it’s a translation layer. Steam OS is just a Linux distro, Arch to be precise.
not developing an OS but pushing for a custom kernel using something like Bazzite for their CPU and GPU combo -- could be way better than Windows for ARM
 
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From my experience on the helpdesk side of things there has been a huge push for the average joe to be security-conscious lately. There are government initiatives against malware and scams directed at the consumer, near constant news reports on "safe computing", campaigns and letter-drops from banks and finance institutions etc. I have even had users contact me to say "my bank has detected that my browser is out of date and won't let me log in anymore, can you help me update?".
Yet, I haven't heard of a single case of a regular home user being hacked purely by having outdated software on their PC. 99.9% of hacks involve direct user input, or at least access to one's LAN, not to mention they're too much effort with little to no benefit to be done on a Regular Joe, so hackers won't bother. It's much easier to send scam emails or post fake social media links, which can be easily avoided with a little care.

Depending on the support structure your average Windows 10 user has they may not be given the option to run an unsupported OS anymore. Anyone technically-savvy is going to see that a minor fee is the far better option for their family/friends compared to running an unpatched, internet-facing OS. "Grandpa, you can't run Windows 10 without paying the fee, haven't you seen the news lately? It's only $30".
Do you mean Windows would just stop working altogether? Microsoft has had the reputation of being scummy as heck recently, but that would be low even for them.

Because of the controversy around Windows 11, the unavailability of Windows 10 on devices and the aforementioned push for security I do think people will be happy to shell out the fee on expert advice if it means they avoid ending up on the nightly news. This is all hypothesis though.
There's lots of other options, though. Switching to Linux and finding out that the majority of my games have no issue to run, not to mention how easy and user friendly KDE is compared to Windows where you struggle to set up stuff like an old printer, spend half a day to configure everything after installing the OS, etc. really opened my eyes. Getting rid of all the nagging about updates and the OS doing its own things without asking me, while retaining the ability to run most of my things feels like coming up for fresh air after having lived underwater for so long. A lot of people think that Windows is their only option, like I used to, which is very sad.

not developing an OS but pushing for a custom kernel using something like Bazzite for their CPU and GPU combo -- could be way better than Windows for ARM
Bazzite has an Nvidia-friendly iso on their website with Nvidia drivers (supposedly) pre-installed. After my great success with Bazzite on my AMD main rig, I'm tempted to sacrifice Windows on at least one of my HTPCs for science to try the Nvidia-friendly version.
 
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1 year for the average joe for $30.
More for the Pro users. But it's still better than nothing. The first year is $61, 2nd is $122 and 3rd is $244. That 3rd year is a swift kick in the goolies but again, it's better than nothing if 11 is not an easy option or an option at all.

When I see a statistics I want to know first the base for the numbers and how they are made.
That's fair. If they were pulling shenanigans, they would have been called out on it by now. Some people take issues with how they present their numbers but the numbers themselves seem to be on the level and valid.
I assumed it was the hole list of valid operating systems, including BSD variants, different linux based operating system and others.
They have those numbers, but they are not in context for the article discussion. If we included all OS variants, Android would be shown as the overwhelmingly dominant OS in the world. As Android is Linux, it would be clear that Linux rules the world and it's been that way since 2017/2018.
If I understood it was only read out the webbrowser reported operating system when visiting certain unknown websites.
That is not their only source of data. It's one of the primary sources but not exclusive or exhaustive.
 
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More for the Pro users. But it's still better than nothing. The first year is $61, 2nd is $122 and 3rd is $244. That 3rd year is a swift kick in the goolies but again, it's better than nothing if 11 is not an easy option or an option at all.
Or you can be a good citizen like everyone else in developing countries, and get your product key from another reputable source like... (sorry, my internet connection broke up while writing this post, let me get back to you)

Yes, that graph says this is about only the Desktop Windows PC-s
If you were listed all devices, it would be Linux ( maybe some Android) on top
Actually, I just realised that the title of the article is wrong. Windows 11 didn't gain 3% in OS market share. It gained 3% in Windows market share.
 
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