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it's not, amd is using FG on for their results, but not for intel.if XESS is such a hog the Intel users could use FSR2/3 as well.
they've reached peak marketing BS
it's not, amd is using FG on for their results, but not for intel.if XESS is such a hog the Intel users could use FSR2/3 as well.
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AMD or Intel wanting to bring that to market?Realistically speaking, what would it take for a ps5 pro equivalent iGPU (with a more modern CPU of course) to be available on PC's? It's not the fastest card around but it's a proper replacement for entry level GPUs (4060 etc.).
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I totally get your point but amd isn't doing that great in the dgpu market anyways. Plus they don't have to target the 7700xt, they can target the 7600 type of cards.AMD or Intel wanting to bring that to market?
PS5 Pro GPU is roughly equivalent to 7700XT. 7700XT is a $450 GPU that uses 200+ watts. These are the two more important obstacles - power maybe not so much these days where both have 200+W normal CPUs anyway. But they would need to both recoup the significantly higher manufacturing cost as well as try and not cannibalize the dGPU sales. Plus, there is the topic of RAM/VRAM that would need a different solution than CPUs today.
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I understated the RAM/VRAM problem in my previous post. This is also a strong reason for where the iGPU performance ends up at. No sense to give iGPU a lot of compute power if it gets bottlenecked by memory bandwidth anyway.I totally get your point but amd isn't doing that great in the dgpu market anyways. Plus they don't have to target the 7700xt, they can target the 7600 type of cards.
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It all comes down to memory controllers.Depends on which CPU. Standard desktop Intel / AMD processors can only drive DDR modules, while the CPU's in recent Playstations and XBoxes are designed to work with GDDR instead. So it's a question of CPU design.
To my knowledge, there's little to no *technical* reason that AMD couldn't make a PS/Xbox-style powerful APU for desktops.
It would be nice if we could get 256 bit memory bus compatibility on AM6. AMD was playing with the idea way back with richland, and intel did it with LGA 1366.I understated the RAM/VRAM problem in my previous post. This is also a strong reason for where the iGPU performance ends up at. No sense to give iGPU a lot of compute power if it gets bottlenecked by memory bandwidth anyway.
To get some idea of numbers:
- PS5 Pro has 448 GB/s of memory bandwidth.
- The anemic 7600/7600XT have 288 GB/s of memory bandwidth.
- DDR5-8000 has 64GB/s of memory bandwidth per module - dual-channel DDR-8000 configuration gets 128GB/s.
Of course, this is a problem that can be solved but needs going for some different memory configuration - meaning this would not be something you can just drop into standard AM5 or LGA1851. It takes more memory channels - think 4-8 DDR5 modules required - or something similar to soldered memory with wide bus that consoles have.
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It's not hurting Nvidia with their 90%+ market share or whatever they have and they've been doing this for years, they started it. If AMD wont do the same they wont stay in the game it's that simple.This will only hurt them
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As much as I hate it, you are right.It's not hurting Nvidia with their 90%+ market share or whatever they have and they've been doing this for years, they started it. If AMD wont do the same they wont stay in the game it's that simple.
Being honest doesn't pay when everyone else isn't.
Besides all the charts show the native performance as well, they're not hiding anything.
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HEDT has/had quad-channel memory or more. Currently Threadrippers have quad-channel and (I guess depending on chipset) octa-channel support. The platform costs are rather restrictive though. LGA 1366 had triple channel and following LGA 2011 and LGA 2066 had quad-channel support. Same thing about platform costs. Plus - you do need more memory modules.It would be nice if we could get 256 bit memory bus compatibility on AM6. AMD was playing with the idea way back with richland, and intel did it with LGA 1366.
Wider busses fix a lot of issues with performance scaling and signal integrity issues with higher speeds. LGA 1366 boards could tangle with early DDR4 boards in memory bandwidth.
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Except the first chart where it's completely hidden! If it was just the two charts that clearly show native performance comparison & then FSR/AFMF on top, that'd be fine, I've no problem with those. But that first chart in isolation should frankly be considered false advertising & should be punished in some way.It's not hurting Nvidia with their 90%+ market share or whatever they have and they've been doing this for years, they started it. If AMD wont do the same they wont stay in the game it's that simple.
Being honest doesn't pay when everyone else isn't.
Besides all the charts show the native performance as well, they're not hiding anything.
They are hiding actual numbersBesides all the charts show the native performance as well, they're not hiding anything.
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