Intel Continues to Develop GPUs Beyond Arc Battlemage

[igormp]

Anyone predicting the end of DIY, sounds like what he said/she said, back in the Windows 8x era.

Me thinking positively, I can't see DIY literally being dead, in fact, there was backlash over Surface RT. Any such negativity, reminds me of the early-Surface era. But, we got very close to losing DIY already, before there was a lot of push back against Surface RT and Windows RT.

On top of that, we aren't being forced to get a laptop, despite Microsoft's advertisement showing off laptops on Windows 10 users' screens.

I still have high hopes for Arc! Especially if GeForces are going to be too expensive for what they should be. I rather have an Arc A770 than a GeForce RTX 4080, anyways! Based on how expensive they are!

I feel like Nvidia is pushing it, even with the price of 'RTX 4070.

I don't think the DIY market will literally die (sales are still increasing even!), but rather shrink in the bigger picture and become more niche as time goes.

Desktops alone are already a minority of shipments, and have a way minor growth rate when compared to laptops (source).
Given how DIY is an even smaller fraction of the overall desktop market, I think it's fair to say that an off-the-shelf mini-PC that's powerful enough for most users will likely achieve a higher market share compared to DIY setups. Mac minis have already shown that this is doable for many people, maybe an equivalent with Strix Halo can prove the same for the gaming crowd.
Another thing is how a gaming setup has only became more and more expensive as time goes, making it harder for people to keep with the hobby.

Of course that's just my opinion and I can be totally wrong. If I were able to predict the future with certainty I'd have won the lottery already

Really? I am talking about a possible future, you translate it as if I am talking about what is happening today and you don't see the difference?
OK.....

No, because I don't see how a 5090 would be different for ARM or x86.

I am talking about full attack in the consumer market, not a few boards for developers.

How would any of that be an "attack"? If anything, having more options in the market would be a good thing.

I am talking about the top discrete GPUs, for example, RTX 5090 performing better on the ARM platform, getting released 3 months earlier and being 10% cheaper than the same model for the x86 platform. Players will start building Nvidia powered ARM based systems for gaming, instead of x86 ones with Intel or AMD CPUs.

That's the point I'm trying to understand. I don't see any way how a "5090 ARM-Exclusive edition" would exist, unless you're talking about fully integrated devices, which would fall into my mini-PC point. If you can elaborate how such thing would exist in a discrete manner, I guess it'd be better for both of us.
Strix Halo will be a nice example of a device that has no proper equivalent desktop-wise, but it's a SoC, just like consoles.

I can't see mini PCs taking over, but I could see laptops, consoles and pre build systems, designed by Nvidia, with minimal upgradability, becoming the preferred options for the majority of gamers. Those pre build systems could come not just as mini PCs, but also as typical desktop form factors, offering the chance for multiple storage solutions and probably a couple PCIe slots for upgrades targeting also semi professionals.

Fair enough. Technically such pre-built system you mentioned wouldn't be much different than a mini-PC, but the somewhat increased size for some expansion (like Sata, extra M2, and 1 or 2 PCIe slots) could still make it way smaller than your regular DIY setup. Maybe more similar to those ITX ones (without any of the upgradeability, apart from some peripherals).

I can also totally see Nvidia downscaling their DGX stations for a more "affordable" workstation with proper PCIe slots and whatnot, but that would be hella expensive still and outside of the range of your regular desktop buyer.

Gaming is what teenagers do, compute is what many professionals want. If x86 loses the advantage of being the de facto option for hi end gaming and hi performance software, it will start losing the battle against ARM in the PC market.

Compute has no hard requirements for x86. As I said, Nvidia on ARM is already a thing in the enterprise. Your only point seems to be gaming, for which the market, albeit significant, is a really small portion of the overall PC market share.

What is the biggest failure of the Qualcomm based Windows on ARM laptops? They are terrible in gaming. One of the reasons they are not flying of the selves.

I totally disagree with this point, and Apple products are a great counter argument to that.
Qualcomm products failed because software integration is still bad, performance was insignificant against the competition, and pricing made no sense compared to any other option.
People don't buy ultralight laptops for gaming anyway, at least I never even attempted to open a single game in my LG Gram.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I don't think the DIY market will literally die (sales are still increasing even!), but rather shrink in the bigger picture and become more niche as time goes.

Desktops alone are already a minority of shipments, and have a way minor growth rate when compared to laptops (source).
Given how DIY is an even smaller fraction of the overall desktop market, I think it's fair to say that an off-the-shelf mini-PC that's powerful enough for most users will likely achieve a higher market share compared to DIY setups. Mac minis have already shown that this is doable for many people, maybe an equivalent with Strix Halo can prove the same for the gaming crowd.

As long as laptops aren't always made to assume that we are all computer-illiterate, like that somebody who literally ends up with their bank account hacked, every single year for using a dictionary password in the 2020s!

Laptops that throttle abnormally for no specified reason=Scamtops.

Even back in the "CPU malaise era", (2012-2016 mostly) such thing would be insane! IIRC, I ranted in 2015 about that, after I have been hearing words claiming death of the PC.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So what do we define as 'success' in the case of Battlemage I wonder. Some % of market share? Some number of sales? General quality of product being in order, including drivers and legacy gaming on it? Being able to hit the performance of the competition? All of the above?

I'm interested in what people think I don't know myself, honestly. I wonder if Intel knows.

For a first go in the GPU market, it's been a good effort and Intel isn't losing money on the project. If Battlemage can raise the performance bar and have competitive pricing, it'll do well.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

For the purpose of this discussion it also matters that PCIe works over a cable. External GPUs may become more common in the long term, and they may take the shape of a mini PC, meant to be stacked together with one.

More boxes on the desk. Thanks, but no thanks, despite the known number of advantages, there are also some drawbacks. The price is also further increased, because of the box, second power supply and premium communications.