U.S. Unveils Massive Export Restrictions on China's Chip Industry Targeting 140 Firms

[Nomad76]

The Biden administration is rolling out a third major export control package aimed at China's semiconductor industry, as per a report from Reuters. Estimated to affect 140 companies, including China's chip equipment maker Naura Technology Group, Piotek, and Huawei Technologies, the effort aims to limit China's access to advanced chip making technology. In particular, technology that could be used in military products and artificial intelligence. Important sanctions include export controls to specific chip equipment manufacturers, blocking the delivery of high-performance memory chips and the addition of several semiconductor investment companies to the list of export-restricted entities.

The package expands U.S. regulatory authority through foreign direct product rules. It regulates chip manufacturing equipment manufactured around the world with U.S. technology, Japan and the Netherlands are exempt. However, the rules could have an impact on manufacturers outside U.S. such as those based in Israel, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and non-U.S. firms (i.e. ASML) due to the complexity of the technological and supply chain. This continues the Biden administration's strategy to limit China's semiconductor capabilities and comes just weeks before the Trump administration made changes. When asked about US new restrictions Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lin Jian said at a regular press conference on Monday that such behavior undermines the international economic and trade system, and disrupts global supply chains. China will take measures to protect companies' rights and interests.



Among the measures are limits on high-bandwidth memory (HBM) shipments. The latest round of regulations will limit memory used in AI chips compliant with "HBM 2" and more advanced versions. Even if Micron in the US and South Korean memory giants Samsung and SK hynix are all manufacturing HBM products, reports indicate that Samsung will be the most affected. According to sources cited by Reuters, China's chip demand is focused primarily on the HBM2E, which is two generations after the current state-of-the-art HBM3e. Moreover, for the first time, two chip investment companies have been included on the Entity List, Chinese private equity firm Wise Road Capital and technology company Wingtech Technology.

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[bonehead123]

Doesn't really matter, since anything they can't legally import, they just buy on the black market, or flat out steal and/or reverse-engineer anyways....

This just seems like Joey boi steadily trying to make some more last minute/lame-duck moves to cement his name into some more history books

 

[damric]

Symptoms that the old cronies are sick and near the end:

Pardons.

Golden parachutes.

Deportations.

Vengeful tariffs.

Wars.




Please just die already so the rest of the world can move on.

 

[R-T-B]

Doesn't really matter, since anything they can't legally import, they just buy on the black market, or flat out steal and/or reverse-engineer anyways....

That's more expensive and puts them at a disadvantage, which is the whole point.

Please just die already so the rest of the world can move on.

It's going to get far worse before it gets better. But can't talk about that.

 

[PSYCHOPATHiO]

Symptoms that the old cronies are sick and near the end:

Pardons.

Golden parachutes.

Deportations.

Vengeful tariffs.

Wars.




Please just die already so the rest of the world can move on.

so true

 

[Prima.Vera]

The Chinese will just create phantom black companies in some East Asian countries, and import their stuff from there. The price is really not that different, considering they own those...
This is just a minor inconvenience for them, will not work even as a delay.

 

[Nater]

The Chinese will just create phantom black companies in some East Asian countries, and import their stuff from there. The price is really not that different, considering they own those...
This is just a minor inconvenience for them, will not work even as a delay.

But you'll find out who your friends are. Lines in the sand.

 

[evernessince]

Doesn't really matter, since anything they can't legally import, they just buy on the black market, or flat out steal and/or reverse-engineer anyways....

This just seems like Joey boi steadily trying to make some more last minute/lame-duck moves to cement his name into some more history books

Sanctions and export restrictions operate on the deterrent principle, just like the vast majority of laws. You seem to be implying that because it doesn't stop everything it servers no purpose but this is entirely misses their point in the first place and completely ignores their actual effectiveness (as in this case, the amount of high-tech chips China is getting it's hands on and the cost it's paying to do so as compared to prior). Just because people are finding a way around a given restriction doesn't mean it isn't effective, this is a incredibly black and white take that doesn't reflect in reality. No law has a 100% deterance rate.

 

[damric]

These trade wars will only cause more hyperinflation. No one has benefitted thus far, so why would it work now?

 

[kondamin]

These trade wars will only cause more hyperinflation. No one has benefitted thus far, so why would it work now?

Governments with big debts and those with a lot of assets benefit from high inflation.


I wonder how much this BS has stifled innovation already.
huawei phones were so much value for the money

 

[Event Horizon]

Nobody is going to reverse these regardless of who runs the show.

 

[Kaleid]

Pathetic. Screams "we can't compete"

 

[R-T-B]

The Chinese will just create phantom black companies in some East Asian countries, and import their stuff from there. The price is really not that different, considering they own those...
This is just a minor inconvenience for them, will not work even as a delay.

I mean even phantom companies cost money.

These trade wars will only cause more hyperinflation. No one has benefitted thus far, so why would it work now?

This is true. Always has been. I'm just explaining the objective, not agreeing with the practice.

Governments with big debts and those with a lot of assets benefit from high inflation.

We only check one of those boxes.

 

[Crackong]

As always
People don't understand these measures aren't aim to STOP them but to SLOW them down.

 

[Luminescent]

One can say China doesn't play by the rules and steal whatever they need, another can say US topple governments and put puppet regimes that serve them, and they don't play by the rules either when they see they could lose.
So nobody is innocent here and only humanity loses because of the petty needs for power of a few people.

 

[LittleBro]

As usual, these restrictions will not work (for long). It just complicates things, not prevents. Once the complications are dealth with, things will get more complicated to be restricted. Even there were restrictions, RTX 4090 found it's way into China and ended up being the no.1 country for imported RTX 4090s. 4090D was just a very sligthly slower RTX 4090. RTX 5090D is rumored to be on par with regular RTX 5090. Then the AI accelerators is another huge topic. Nvidia is surely happy to help China avoid/mitigate restrictions to maximize income. I'd bet my slightly hairy ass on that.

Does not matter whether you ship to Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia, India or Philipines or wherever, it will easily find it's way to China. Because money makes the world go round and most of the people living in aforementioned countries don't give a f**k about US restrictions.

Though I don't like China, these restrictions might easily become a reason for retaliation one day. On the other hand these restrictions are pathetic, since most of things (especially electronics) sold in US are at least partly made in China.
(Basically anything related to power regulation in electronics is made in China.) China does not have to retaliate in military way, rather impose restrictions on exported goods to US.

For how long will China tolerate Trump's upcoming administration and another related restrictions, remains unknown. I'm not going to argue that China is a threat, I just think that those restrictions are not only useless long-term, but also dangerous. Who is the real threat is thing of opinion, truth lies always somewhere in the middle.

 

[Vayra86]

One can say China doesn't play by the rules and steal whatever they need, another can say US topple governments and put puppet regimes that serve them, and they don't play by the rules either when they see they could lose.
So nobody is innocent here and only humanity loses because of the petty needs for power of a few people.

Unfortunately those losing humans are the ones putting these puppets in office. Power corrupts, and this too, is human.

We've got issues I've seen people say in this topic this has to do with the age of a certain generation. But they forget that the youngsters too, grow old someday, and they'll be in the exact same place doing the exact same things. We've written a history full of repeat offenses. Why would it be different now? Already you can see the younger generations are in fact just as easily manipulated, if not easier, and are also keen to find opposition, even just for entertainment. I'm not seeing a promising new world on the horizon honestly. The younger generations don't consume less, either, they're fed and feeding on hypercapitalism just the same, and social media is even teaching them how that world works: be a brand, sell yourself, influence others.

 

[Xajel]

They never learn, it will do two things:-

1. China will get what they want, later and more expensive, but they will get it.
2. China will also accelerate their efforts to develop their own advanced chip manufacturer technologies, which will give them independency and then the US won't be able to do anything.

The problem here is the US is strengthening itself as a nontrusted partner, if US interests are against any other country's own interests, the US will try to force any other countries against their own interests, and this is a trust issue.

 

[Quicks]

Meh, why can't people just get along.

People really so hard up for another war.

 

[LittleBro]

Meh, why can't people just get along.

People really so hard up for another war.

I'm gonna cite Fallout's most famous quote here, because it's a damn truth: War never changes.

War is always about money, influence and power. Current world situation sometimes reminds me of cold war. Everyone is gearing up weapons, everyone does spying activities, threatens others with power and nuclear weapons. States on the west hate states on the east and vice-versa. While I hope for the best and want to live in peace, everything points to a fact that next war is inevitable, because, as you said, people just can't get along. People don't understand what they currently have and obviously that's not enough. It is never enough. Well, sometimes you must fall in order to understand what you had and what is now lost. People are unteachable, in the long run they tend to do exactly same mistakes over and over again. May there is always peace all over the world.