Mozilla Rebrands, Reaffirms its Mission To Protect Open Web Despite Advocacy Team Layoffs

[chrcoluk]

People forking chrome was one of the best things to happen for it, as it makes its dominance look less severe, brave, edge are basically chrome with a new face painted on, and the tracking going to another company.

Its basically Chrome, Firefox, and Safari as the three players.

 

[lexluthermiester]

People forking chrome was one of the best things to happen for it, as it makes its dominance look less severe, brave, edge are basically chrome with a new face painted on, and the tracking going to another company.

Its basically Chrome, Firefox, and Safari as the three players.

You missed one that is very good. Iron. All the features of Chromium, none of the crap.

SRWare Iron - The Browser of the Future

The best browser with fast site rendering, advanced privacy, a sleek design and innovative features

www.srware.net

Sadly not as popular as it deserves to be.

 

[dgianstefani]

You missed one that is very good. Iron. All the features of Chromium, none of the crap.

SRWare Iron - The Browser of the Future

The best browser with fast site rendering, advanced privacy, a sleek design and innovative features

www.srware.net

Sadly not as popular as it deserves to be.

I'd trust them more if they could spell.

Personally I use Thorium-Win.

 

[Wirko]

It's one of the logo we won't be seeing often, so I don't feel hurt. Same as the inchworm Micron logo.

But don't dare to turn the orange fox with a fiery tail into ASCII art!

 

[Hecate91]

If firefox actually intended to continue looking out for users, they wouldnt have gutted the privacy advocacy group. The rest of the identity politics? Yeah, dump them, they are a boat anchor made of hypocrisy and hatred that makes you $0 and costs you actual leadership. But the privacy group? They did actual good, fighting for our rights as internet users. Why gut them?

Oh, right, because Firefox is controlled opposition at this point.

For anyone that thinks Firefox cares about their end users, good time to put this here

Mozilla - Devil Incarnate

digdeeper.club

Agreed, I liked Firefox because of their privacy group, it's definitely a surprise they dumped it and baffling as to why they did other than Google is in full control. Google gives them money and Mozilla still manages to screw it up and waste money on pushing an agenda, the same thing a lot of tech companies have been pushing and failing at.
At this point I don't have any hope for Firefox, I've used it for years and i'll still use it because Google is nerfing ad blockers, if Firefox does fail at least there are several forks of the browser.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'd trust them more if they could spell.

Personally I use Thorium-Win.

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You're going to judge an entire browser on a simple spelling mistake? How petty are you?

 

[dgianstefani]

You're going to judge an entire browser on a simple spelling mistake? How petty are you?

Nothing to do with petty and everything to do with how much care is taken. It took me five seconds to find an error on the first section of their homepage, not some obscure wiki page, and I wasn't trying. Where else is there errors? The lines of code? Unimpressed with their QC.

 

[AusWolf]

I voted "yeah" because I'm all for internet privacy, but if it's just a design change, then my answer is more like "meh".

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nothing to do with petty and everything to do with how much care is taken. It took me five seconds to find an error on the first section of their homepage, not some obscure wiki page, and I wasn't trying. Where else is there errors? The lines of code? Unimpressed with their QC.

Are you kidding? Do you honestly think the browser coders are also the web page admins? Here's a hint, they're not. Good grief man.

 

[dgianstefani]

Are you kidding? Do you honestly think the browser coders are also the web page admins? Here's a hint, they're not. Good grief man.

On a community project like this? Wouldn't be surprised.

Do the browser coders have eyes and visit their own site? But by all means keep pretending you can't see what I'm saying.

 

[AusWolf]

Do the browser coders have eyes and visit their own site? But by all means keep pretending you can't see what I'm saying.

How big of a corporation do you work for (I mean, besides TPU, if you do)? I work for a massive one, and I can tell you, information moves extremely slowly (or sometimes not at all) among different departments.

Besides, I don't visit my company's public website at all. I'm off work, so why would I?

 

[lexluthermiester]

But by all means keep pretending you can't see what I'm saying.

Oh I'm picking up what you're putting down, seeing right through it. You keep doing you though.

 

[AsRock]

Just stick to what made me a Firefox user of about 20 years now: making a high-quality, extensible browser... let us deal with the "AI challenges" and the "misinformation" through our own means and devices, such as hosts lists, plugins, etc.

I don't much care for the corporate identity... in fact, if anything, Mozilla being a community effort is a big reason to use Firefox, otherwise just go and download Opera... any flavor of it. It's a better and faster browser than Firefox would ever hope to be; the only things that make Firefox what it is are its open-source transparency and extensibility.



Exactly... it'll take more than a half-hearted "brand identity reimagination" to make them stop getting massacred by the Chromium engine browsers. The market share is 2.2% and declining, I increasingly feel like a Netscape Navigator user in the last days it's been around. I've had sites turn me away for using Firefox too...

But isn't Firefox just a Chrome version now ?.

 

[dgianstefani]

But isn't Firefox just a Chrome version now ?.

No.

 

[RUSerious]

I care less about branding issues and just want Firefox to run well. I liked to use it for more privacy sensitive web browsing task (banking, investments and so forth), but I'm using it less and less. A dozen tabs in Firefox, last time I had it open, was using 3x as much memory as Chrome. And that was with a plugin that deactivated tabs that weren't in use. And the memory usage was growing (mem leak?). It's kind of sad since I've been using Firefox the longest.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I care less about branding issues and just want Firefox to run well.

Same here, and there does not seem to be any changes coming in that area, which is good becuase FF runs very well.

Firefox, last time I had it open, was using 3x as much memory as Chrome. And that was with a plugin that deactivated tabs that weren't in use. And the memory usage was growing (mem leak?). It's kind of sad since I've been using Firefox the longest.

Just not seeing that on my system, but then I run FireFox without the extra services..

 

[Dr. Dro]

But isn't Firefox just a Chrome version now ?.

Only Firefox and Safari (of the mainline browsers that aren't forks or variants) are left, running Gecko and WebKit respectively. Safari is exclusive to macOS (Windows version was discontinued a very long time ago), so effectively it's the only browser that isn't based on Chromium.

 

[cal5582]

bring back old style plugins you cowards!

 

[trieste15]

And that was with a plugin that deactivated tabs that weren't in use.

You don't need a plugin for this.

Tab Unloading — Firefox Source Docs documentation

firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/unload-inactive-tabs-save-system-memory-firefox
To tweak how long to wait idle before unloading - browser.tabs.min_inactive_duration_before_unload and edit in milliseconds.

And the memory usage was growing (mem leak?). It's kind of sad since I've been using Firefox the longest.

Try setting Firefox to open each unique domain in its own process. I find that the separation helps a lot with stability and improves predictability of memory use that includes the natural overhead that comes with an increased number of processes. With Tab Mix Plus in multirow mode giving me about 5-6 rows of scrollable tabs (mostly unopened), I'm only at 1.2 GB of memory use. This is with 28 active extensions.

dom.ipc.processCount.webIsolated
dom.ipc.processCount

I set these to the maximum value of 2147483647, which is completely unnecessary, just 100 is good enough already.

 

[Dr. Dro]

bring back old style plugins you cowards!

Yeah, I miss those too. So many great plugins back in the day. Glory days of Firefox. There's a good read on why they removed xpi support... basically it was very insecure and generally incompatible with Quantum and the newer technologies that modern-day Firefox uses. I'm not really a web developer so to me a ton of these concepts can be quite foreign but, good read nonetheless

Why Did Mozilla Remove XUL Add-ons?

TL;DR: Firefox used to have a great extension mechanism based on the XUL and XPCOM. This mechanism served us well for a long time. However, it came at an ever-growing cost in terms of maintenance for both Firefox developers and add-on developers. On one side, this growing cost progressively...

yoric.github.io

 

[AsRock]

No.

Aah must of been a rumor at some point and never really checked in to it, How ever i do use Mozilla's Seamonkey which i like a hell lot more than using Firefox.

 

[lexluthermiester]

bring back old style plugins you cowards!

That's not going to happen, for a number of reasons, security being one of them.

How ever i do use Mozilla's Seamonkey which i like a hell lot more than using Firefox.

That's fair. Someone mentioned Seamonkey not to long ago(maybe it was you?) and I tried out the latest version. It's looks a like an older browser, but it was solid.

 

[Wirko]

You don't need a plugin for this.

Tab Unloading — Firefox Source Docs documentation

firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/unload-inactive-tabs-save-system-memory-firefox
To tweak how long to wait idle before unloading - browser.tabs.min_inactive_duration_before_unload and edit in milliseconds.

The article mentions a "memory pressure detector" but what does it measure, virtual memory or physical memory? Is Firefox inclined to use the page file, or does it avoid that?

(That's just my academic curiosity, I'm the 180° opposite of a tab hoarder)

 

[lexluthermiester]

virtual memory or physical memory?

Both.

Is Firefox inclined to use the page file, or does it avoid that?

FF will use physical exclusively unless RAM availability reaches a certain threshold(5%free), then it will dip into the virtual.

 

[cal5582]

That's not going to happen, for a number of reasons, security being one of them.


That's fair. Someone mentioned Seamonkey not to long ago(maybe it was you?) and I tried out the latest version. It's looks a like an older browser, but it was solid.

yeah i know, but a man can dream