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I think I'll be in that line too for 2025. Assuming my X670E board supports it and gets a BIOS for it like 9800X3D.
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
It's AMD the BIOS is probably already ready. The BIOS for 9000 was already released.I think I'll be in that line too for 2025. Assuming my X670E board supports it and gets a BIOS for it like 9800X3D.
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASRock X670E Taichi |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 Chromax |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 4090 Trio |
Storage | P5800X 1.6TB 4x 15.36TB Micron 9300 Pro 4x WD Black 8TB M.2 |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB3 27" 240 Hz |
Case | Thermaltake Core X9 |
Audio Device(s) | JDS Element IV, DCA Aeon II |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Titanium 850w |
Mouse | PMM P-305 |
Keyboard | Wooting HE60 |
VR HMD | Valve Index |
Software | Win 10 |
But I guess even if scheduling was 100%, fixed there will still be people claiming "if only AMD had cache on both CCD's it would be even faster!"
I'm up to 2506 but I see a new 2604. Too bad cause this board is RMA.It's AMD the BIOS is probably already ready. The BIOS for 9000 was already released.
System Name | 1. Glasshouse 2. Odin OneEye |
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Processor | 1. Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) 2. Ryzen 9 7900X |
Motherboard | 1. MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi 2. Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 670E |
Cooling | 1. Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black 2. Custom Loop 3x360mm (60mm) rads & T30 fans/Aquacomputer NEXT w/b |
Memory | 1. G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) 2. Kingston Fury 16GBx2 DDR5 CL36 |
Video Card(s) | 1. Asus Strix Vega 64 2. Powercolor Liquid Devil 7900XTX |
Storage | 1. Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) 2. Kingston 3000 (1TB) and Hynix p41 (2TB) |
Display(s) | 1. Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz 2. LG C2 42 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz |
Case | 1. Corsair Crystal 570X White 2. Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO |
Audio Device(s) | 1. Creative Speakers 2. Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | 1. Corsair RM850x 2. Superflower Titanium 1600W |
Mouse | 1. Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro (grey) 2. Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro (black) |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | My second and third PCs are Intel + Nvidia |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000 CL36 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Reaper Radeon RX 9070 XT |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 4 TB Seagate Barracuda |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG 34" 1440 UW 144 Hz |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | 750 W Seasonic Prime GX |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE Plasma |
The big question is will both CCDs have the stacked V-cache? I think the answer is no, because AMD still haven't solved how to stop them thrashing.
System Name | Black MC in Tokyo |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 7600 |
Motherboard | MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wifi |
Cooling | Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2 |
Memory | 2 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 6000Mhz |
Video Card(s) | XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319 |
Storage | Kingston KC3000 1TB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB |
Display(s) | Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Plantronics 5220, Nektar SE61 keyboard |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x v3 |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Dell SK3205 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | Rimworld 4K ready! |
Processor | Ryzen 7950X3D |
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Motherboard | Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero |
Cooling | Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD |
Memory | 64GB (2X 32GB) Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR4 60000Mhz CL30 |
Video Card(s) | Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO 24GB |
Storage | WD SN850X 4TB NVMe / Samsung 870 QVO 8TB |
Display(s) | Asus PG43UQ / Samsung 32" UJ590 |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X |
Power Supply | Corsair AX1600i |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 3 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB Platinum |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 24H2 |
The x950X3D already does that, no? I'm not saying a CPU that bridges those uses shouldn't exist so this seems like a strange statement to make (likewise, the other two statements sort of respond to angles I never made).Having the potential to replace two computers with one is very nice. A person might buy a 7800X3D for their main rig and a 7950X for their secondary. A double X3D cache 9950X3D could stand in for two systems.
System Name | My second and third PCs are Intel + Nvidia |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi Pro B650M-A Wifi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000 CL36 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Reaper Radeon RX 9070 XT |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 4 TB Seagate Barracuda |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG 34" 1440 UW 144 Hz |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | 750 W Seasonic Prime GX |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE Plasma |
AMD's reasoning with costs is solid. My reasoning is that I don't want to rely on software scheduling to do stuff on my CPU. Therefore, I'll never buy a desktop CPU with heterogenous cores or CCDs.The x950X3D already does that, no? I'm not saying a CPU that bridges those uses shouldn't exist so this seems like a strange statement to make (likewise, the other two statements sort of respond to angles I never made).
What I was saying was that I imagine a second CCD with v-cache would return a very slim (often nil) level of extra performance in gaming, but that it would cost much more, and that I figure this might be the reason AMD hasn't done it. Nothing more, nothing less.
What I was saying was that I imagine a second CCD with v-cache would return a very slim (often nil) level of extra performance in gaming, but that it would cost much more, and that I figure this might be the reason AMD hasn't done it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
---|---|
Motherboard | ASRock X670E Taichi |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 Chromax |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 4090 Trio |
Storage | P5800X 1.6TB 4x 15.36TB Micron 9300 Pro 4x WD Black 8TB M.2 |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB3 27" 240 Hz |
Case | Thermaltake Core X9 |
Audio Device(s) | JDS Element IV, DCA Aeon II |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Titanium 850w |
Mouse | PMM P-305 |
Keyboard | Wooting HE60 |
VR HMD | Valve Index |
Software | Win 10 |
The x950X3D already does that, no? I'm not saying a CPU that bridges those uses shouldn't exist so this seems like a strange statement to make (likewise, the other two statements sort of respond to angles I never made).
What I was saying was that I imagine a second CCD with v-cache would return a very slim (often nil) level of extra performance in gaming, but that it would cost much more, and that I figure this might be the reason AMD hasn't done it. Nothing more, nothing less.
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
Interesting. TPU should test City Skylines 2 at 1440P with 600000+ population and associated services. In that Game I see 100% CPU usage. Space Marine 2 also uses more than 60% of my CPU. BTW exactly how long is 1 nanosecond?No the x950X3D don't because the crappy windows scheduler creates all sorts of issues in games for the dual ccd chips. The difference in TPU's charts doesn't show you that often windows will put the game on the wrong CCD which will cause the game to run 20-30% slower.
A 2nd X3D cache would fix that issue. The average in benchmarks would hardly improve but the consistency would astronomically improve.
As a result, a 9950X3D with only one X3D die is dead in the water for gaming. Absolutely would not recommend it over getting a 9800X3D for a gaming rig and a separate AMD or Arrow Lake rig. It's silly.
100% CPU usage is weird when your CPUs are all different.Interesting. TPU should test City Skylines 2 at 1440P with 600000+ population and associated services. In that Game I see 100% CPU usage. Space Marine 2 also uses more than 60% of my CPU. BTW exactly how long is 1 nanosecond?
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
I use the Overlay in AMD software. It also has frame stutter and 1% lows.100% CPU usage is weird when your CPUs are all different.
Remember that CPU usage is Windows measuring how much a core is active. It's not necessarily saying it's an efficient or useful amount of work.
In an extreme case: 100% usage on an E-cores which spends all of its time waiting on RAM might be more overall efficient than a 100% usage on a P-Cores that's stuck on a spinlock (thread synchronization instruction). Both are 100% usage.
It's more complex as different instructions now have different speeds on the same computer but different cores (x3d for AMD or p vs e core for Intel)
Scheduling issues aren't the only thing working against the Ryzen 9 X3Ds to keep them from reaching the performance of the x800X3D. The other factor is cross CCD latency (the massive dropoff that the x900X3D in particular, a six core per CCD chip, sometimes shows could be taken as a sign that this is leading to a large loss of performance too), and adding v-cache to both CCDs doesn't address that at all. Improving the scheduler (which is probably far easier said than done) or increasing the numbers of cores per CCD does.No the x950X3D don't because the crappy windows scheduler creates all sorts of issues in games for the dual ccd chips. The difference in TPU's charts doesn't show you that often windows will put the game on the wrong CCD which will cause the game to run 20-30% slower.
A 2nd X3D cache would fix that issue. The average in benchmarks would hardly improve but the consistency would astronomically improve.
As a result, a 9950X3D with only one X3D die is dead in the water for gaming. Absolutely would not recommend it over getting a 9800X3D for a gaming rig and a separate AMD or Arrow Lake rig. It's silly.