NVIDIA and AMD Rush to Ship Next-Generation GPUs Ahead of Trump Administration Tariffs

[Steevo]

Sanctioning imports is basically sanctioning your own civilians, bizarre. We did the same as well, makes no sense. Yes you help exporters, but at the same time you screwing over millions of people so the economy gets no better from it.

You pay VAT?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

For those that haven't played the original Deus-Ex (1999) yet, give it a whirl. There is a reason they don't remake it.
On the plus side, you won't need a $2500 GPU to play it.

 

[Darc Requiem]

Well let's see what is going on in this thread....

Well, I think I'll take my leave.

 

[Hxx]

Politics aside as much as I don’t support the economics of the upcoming presidency please keep in mind that tariffs wont happen overnight . There will be time early next year for those on the fence to make educated purchasing decisions . Companies think months and years in advance

 

[cal5582]

For those that haven't played the original Deus-Ex (1999) yet, give it a whirl. There is a reason they don't remake it.
On the plus side, you won't need a $2500 GPU to play it.

tong did nothing wrong.

 

[evernessince]

I wonder if this will somehow affect any markets other than the US.

Short term pain, long term gain I suspect for countries outside the US. With initial supply focused on the US, there's less for other countries.

On the flipside, much higher prices in the US after the tariffs take effect means lower demand and thus more supply for other countries. It's a loose loose for regular people because the scalpers are just going to hold supply until after tariffs go into effect and that'll guarantee they make a profit.

I like the idea of funding the whole government with tariffs and eliminating personal taxes, the massive amount I pay in taxes would allow me to pay for a bunch of new toys and donate to projects I agree with .

The problem with that is tariffs overwhelming burden the lower and middle class. Bill Gates isn't going to care that he's paying $0.50 more for a toothbrush nor will he even see the impact it will have on the cost of generic medicine which often comes from India, China, and other cheaper labor markets. He and other billionairs will be saving hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions, under a system that primarily uses tariffs and other taxes on goods.

 

[cal5582]

Short term pain, long term gain I suspect for countries outside the US. With initial supply focused on the US, there's less for other countries.

On the flipside, much higher prices in the US after the tariffs take effect means lower demand and thus more supply for other countries. It's a loose loose for regular people because the scalpers are just going to hold supply until after tariffs go into effect and that'll guarantee they make a profit.



The problem with that is tariffs overwhelming burden the lower and middle class. Bill Gates isn't going to care that he's paying $0.50 more for a toothbrush nor will he even see the impact it will have on the cost of generic medicine which often comes from India, China, and other cheaper labor markets. He and other billionairs will be saving hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions, under a system that primarily uses tariffs and other taxes on goods.

wouldn't that then be incentive for them to develop their own pharmaceutical industry?

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

Well let's see what is going on in this thread....

Well, I think I'll take my leave.

Basically me. I don’t want politics in my technology lol

 

[Nostras]

So we in the EU can expect no supply of those cards. And that will only mean 1 thing for the prices..

We all know Nvidia is going to price the cards to the moon and AMD will flounder the launch regardless. It probably makes it a bit worse at the start but I'd imagine at the end the impact shouldn't be that noticeable unless Nvidia and/or AMD decide to recoup their losses by increasing prices elsewhere.

 

[evernessince]

it will be offset by a return to 90s gas prices from an abundance of drilling. cheaper gas means cheaper transport and all that entails. im not too worried.
we all know what a trump presidency means economically this go around: the average person was doing good, gas was cheap, jobs were actually growing, investor confidence was up.

The price of gas will never return to the $1.15 as it was in the 90s, at least not from US made gas. US Producers don't make a profit below $2.00

The US is already the world's leader in oil production and there has been a very strong increase ever since the war in Ukraine.

You are pretty much hoping that US companies will continue to vastly increase their output at their own detriment, which simply isn't going to happen. US gas production might continue to increase but I expect them to maintain a decent margin.

In addition, transportation costs average 38% of the cost of goods and cost of fuel is only a percentage of that. At best, even in a fantasy land scenario where you reduce the cost of gas to $1.15, you are looking at maybe a 10% reduction in the cost of goods which obviously is not anywhere near enough to offset most of the purposed tariffs.

 

[cal5582]

in 2019 it was around 1.83 in my area.

 

[eidairaman1]

I vote to lock this thread

 

[evernessince]

I wouldn't mind the tariffs if they actually provided me with social safety nets or healthcare like the tariffs in Europe do. Last time Trump did Tariff's the money went to the farmers because China wouldn't buy their soybeans, because of said tariffs...

However, this is why I bought all my tech stuff already. I can sit back and game for the next 5 years and not give two fucks anymore. Buy now, fuck paying the tariffs.

$2500 rtx 5090 can eat my shorts, I am playing some Playstation 2 games tonight on ryzen 7840u APU and having more fun than I have had in ages. Fuck the noise, just game.

Farmers never really recovered from that either. Many small time guys went out of business while all the big corporate farms snapped up the money. Everyone was left scrambling to recover the customers they once had.

It's a reverse robin-hood effect. All the money is being sucked to the richest people, hence why income inequality in the US is now worse than in France prior to the french revolution.

 

[eidairaman1]

in 2019 it was around 1.83 in my area.

1.40-1.60 which is by far more affordable toan 2.50-3.20, i feel sorry for cali.

Moderator: throws hands up in the air, heads to the fire exit, turns around and says, "keep it civil." Then leaves this thread.

I vote for thread to be locked to politics being involved

 

[The Shield]

Less cards bought in US because of the tax-abomination = more cards available here in Europe

 

[Nostras]

Less cards bought in US because of the tax-abomination = more cards available here in Europe

Yeah no they'll just ramp production down to meet worldwide demand.

 

[cal5582]

Yeah no they'll just ramp production down to meet worldwide demand.

yeah thats a good point. that was a whole tactic they did during the last "shortage". the crypto miners got pallets of gpus.

 

[theouto]

If the prices truly go mad then here's to hoping that no developers decide to target hardware that barely anyone will be able to afford, thus making the end product worse for everyone! (this will not happen)

 

[R-T-B]

What if the tariffs don't materialise?

Seriously? I guess we'd better get ready for flying pigs as well.

 

[evernessince]

wouldn't that then be incentive for them to develop their own pharmaceutical industry?

Such a thing doesn't happen overnight. You need the skilled labors, facilities, a logistical network (materials, shipping) and capital in order to do so and a lot of time.

Tariffs would have to accompany massive government investments to jumpstart that process. Even then you'd still be looking at 4+ years before seeing any results. If you are just enacting tariffs but doing nothing else there might not be any domestic development at all. Meanwhile everyone is paying higher prices and that's before you consider retaliatory actions from other countries. If your country isn't going to follow the trade agreements they signed, people are not going to trust doing business with you and they are going to take their money and business elsewhere. Free-trade is a hallmark of the US economy. Tariffs disrupt that.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Less cards bought in US because of the tax-abomination = more cards available here in Europe

That goes to reason, but nGreedia will just manufacture less to keep the high prices or worse, overcharge everywhere else to keep price reasonable in the U.S, hope there is some sort of system in place to prevent the latter.

 

[Timbaloo]

So basically I can sell my GTX 970 for 1000 bucks in a couple of months. Got it.

 

[evernessince]

Seriously? I guess we'd better get ready for flying pigs as well.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario similar to the US-Canada trade deal where they complained about a huge injustice only to sign an identical deal and claim "victory".

At the end of the day so long as any country makes the optics look good for the incumbent administration, that's all that matters.

 

[Bomby569]

gpu mageddon is back

 

[Vayra86]

it will be offset by a return to 90s gas prices from an abundance of drilling. cheaper gas means cheaper transport and all that entails. im not too worried.
we all know what a trump presidency means economically this go around: the average person was doing good, gas was cheap, jobs were actually growing, investor confidence was up.

You're living in a world that's 30 years out of date though, and the rest of the world ain't pausing for you either. Most notably Asia, but also Europe.

It looks great until it doesn't, and then you're going to want to catch up, but the distance you have to cover has increased a hundredfold. Look at China right now for an example, its only with immense state financing that they can catch up. Where do you think that money will come from?

All Trump does is postpone the inevitable, save his own ass, and make your life harder after he's done. If you still live in the fossil reality, you're living a dying dream. I guess 'fossil' is the best term to describe it, both the gas and its fervent yes-men. There's a place for it, but its for heavy duty, basically anything you can't electrify (yet), in everything else its counterproductive at this point.