AMD Radeon "RDNA 4" RX 9000 Series Will Feature Regular 6/8-Pin PCI Express Power Connectors

[Crackong]

Wait, wut? How many revisions this new connector needs?

^ This.

Every revision means money lost for already made inventory.
If it ain't broke.
The manufacturors won't bother to make all these revisions.

 

[JustBenching]

No, it's not, but I do have an opinion - namely, that any hobby gamer who thinks 10% is important lives in placebo world created and manipulated by clickbait reviews.

Realistically anything below 100% increase is kinda of a waste to upgrade to. Even 50% is meh, its' basically going from 30 to 45 fps.

 

[3valatzy]

It’s fine because with 330W max it can easily get away with 2x8 pin connectors, but this isn’t particularly great, they won’t need to include an adaptor then. That’s it. Nvidia on the other hand needs to use new connector because the high end gpus are too power hungry and would need 4x 8 pin connectors which is too much, they want a small pcb for their ref cards and there’s no room for that. This is whole reason why they invented small connectors in the first place for small pcb design of the 3090 back then. That connector was just capable of 300W, it evolved to the industry standard 600W connector then which was used on PSUs and 3090 Ti and 40 series. And then that one evolved to the new one that is now used with newer psus and 50 series soon.

It's the other way round. 2 proven 8-pin connectors can carry 1000 watts with ease. While a single unproven 12VHPWR can carry up to 300 watts before starting to melt.

 

[clopezi]

Please explain to me why Radeon is slower/badder?

Just skip me the DLSS drama

[BS and half lies]

But see rumors say the new 9000 cards will use lower watts and the new FSR will be like DLSS

You can buy what ever you want, but at least be consistent. You cannot say BS about DLSS and give a cent to rumours about FSR, which is worse without any doubt.

Most gamers love DLSS and most people are very happy with it. DLSS allows visual shows like CP2077 or Indiana Jones with very good frame rates.

 

[AcE]

2 proven 8-pin connectors can carry 1000 watts with ease. While a single unproven 12VHPWR can carry up to 300 watts before starting to melt.

No, only specific cables can do that if you use a random cable with that power combo you will have a nice fireplace instead. Specific thick cables and that’s not common. And that other thing you mentioned is just childish gibberish, the connector is proven. Maybe start living in the year 2024 now.

 

[Daven]

Realistically anything below 100% increase is kinda of a waste to upgrade to. Even 50% is meh, its' basically going from 30 to 45 fps.

Or 100 to 150 fps...

 

[3valatzy]

No, only specific cables can do that if you use a random cable with that power combo you will have a nice fireplace instead. Specific thick cables and that’s not common. And that other thing you mentioned is just childish gibberish, the connector is proven. Maybe start living in the year 2024 now.

Proven in another reality. Don't know what you are smoking at Nvidia.

 

[AcE]

Proven in another reality. Don't know what you are smoking at Nvidia.

Proven by millions of users who use it fine every day, including all 4090 users like myself, you’re talking nonsense my friend. Keep your fantasies in bed.

 

[JustBenching]

Or 100 to 150 fps...

Yeah, that's kinda useless. And achievable with minimum image quality sacrifices (turn down shadows from ultra to high, there ya go).

Problem with anything below a 100% increase is that you are paying 100% of the price for 50% extra performance.

 

[Ruru]

Realistically anything below 100% increase is kinda of a waste to upgrade to. Even 50% is meh, its' basically going from 30 to 45 fps.

True, yet I still went from 6700 XT to a 3080

To be honest, I just wanted a faster card for my 2nd PC (had a R9 290X previously) so I had a reason to put the 6700 XT to that machine.

 

[JustBenching]

It's the other way round. 2 proven 8-pin connectors can carry 1000 watts with ease. While a single unproven 12VHPWR can carry up to 300 watts before starting to melt.

If that were the case, shouldn't all 12vhpwr melt? Like 100% of them? Obviously either reality is wrong or your statement.

 

[3valatzy]

If that were the case, shouldn't all 12vhpwr melt? Like 100% of them? Obviously either reality is wrong or your statement.

They all melt if you wait it long enough. Can you show a temperature image of the connector to see the extremely high resistance because of its weak mechanical construction?

 

[Ruru]

If that were the case, shouldn't all 12vhpwr melt? Like 100% of them? Obviously either reality is wrong or your statement.

Yeah, the connector is ass, but I doubt that evey of them is burning. Especially with lower-power cards like 4070 and similar.

 

[AcE]

If that were the case, shouldn't all 12vhpwr melt? Like 100% of them? Obviously either reality is wrong or your statement.

It’s also funny he’s posting YouTube ragebait videos of the lowest quality according with his wrong statement. The connector works fine if not mishandled this was debunked a long long time ago and now over 2 years later people still don’t know that. Gamers Nexus in an actually good video tried to mimic wrong usage of the connector and had a hard time making it burn, they had to put the connector half way in kinda and use games that used over 400W continuously and as far as I know mishandled the whole cable on top. Thats the amount of fail necessary to make the pretty safe connector melt. I now used the connector countless times with over 400 W usage with my 4090 and my PC is still fine, imagine. It is especially people who don’t know about the connector and never used it that spread this nonsensical information/fud.

 

[Ruru]

It’s also funny he’s posting YouTube ragebait videos of the lowest quality according with his wrong statement. The connector works fine if not mishandled this was debunked a long long time ago and now over 2 years later people still don’t know that. Gamers Nexus in an actually good video tried to mimic wrong usage of the connector and had a hard time making it burn, they had to put the connector half way in kinda and use games that used over 400W continuously and as far as I know mishandled the whole cable on top. Thats the amount of fail necessary to make the pretty safe connector melt.

Yep, yet I still prefer the OG PCIe connectors. Space shouldn't be an issue with those 30cm+ monster cards.

IIRC some AIB dual-GPU cards had three or even four 8-pin connectors back in the day?

 

[Knight47]

Oh hey, what's the difference between this and this? I'm getting lost among all these standards.

The 12VHPWR AND 12V2x6 cable is basically the same. The gpu and psu side changed.

No More 12VHPWR Connector! Say hi to 12V-2×6 - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - No More 12VHPWR Connector! Say hi to 12V-2×6 - News

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they want a small pcb for their ref cards and there’s no room for that.

They could do something like this or solder the wires to the PCB and move the connector to the end of the card like on blower gpu's.

 

[AcE]

They all melt if you wait it long enough. Can you show a temperature image of the connector to see the extremely high resistance because of its weak mechanical construction?

You’re grasping for straws trying to make your absolutely wrong statement seem right. But your statement is extremely wrong, go watch the Gamers Nexus video I mentioned and maybe pay less intention to ragebaits / trashy common YouTube videos and your general bias is also negative, which is a bad place to start with in technology.

 

[JustBenching]

They all melt if you wait it long enough. Can you show a temperature image of the connector to see the extremely high resistance because of its weak mechanical construction?

Ah, the unfalsifiable claim. You literally made a claim that can never be proven wrong, meaning it's worthless. Yeah eventually my prayers will be answered as well, just haven't waited long enough yet...

 

[AcE]

The 12VHPWR AND 12V2x6 cable is basically the same. The gpu and psu side changed.

No More 12VHPWR Connector! Say hi to 12V-2×6 - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - No More 12VHPWR Connector! Say hi to 12V-2×6 - News

hwbusters.com

They could do something like this or solder the wires to the PCB and move the connector to the end of the card like on blower gpu's.

This is just unnecessary, the modernising of power connectors was a long way coming and what you suggest would just make the card more complicated and less appealing. Nvidia wanted a simple approach with a tiny pcb design.

Yep, yet I still prefer the OG PCIe connectors. Space shouldn't be an issue with those 30cm+ monster cards.

Ofc you do, because most people are conservative. And again, no, the PCB was supposed to be tiny to make room for the airflow, go study 3090 cooler and pcb design. Everything has reasons and old power connectors will be changed one day.

 

[Ruru]

Ofc you do, because most people are conservative. And again, no, the PCB was supposed to be tiny to make room for the airflow, go study 3090 cooler and pcb design. Everything has reasons and old power connectors will be changed one day.

What is prohibiting AIBs with custom PCBs using traditional PCIe connectors?

edit: or soldering the connectors away from the PCB like with 1060 or 2060?

 

[AcE]

What is prohibiting AIBs with custom PCBs using traditional PCIe connectors?

Why should they use the outdated connectors, because a few people were unable to put the connectors in all the way and burned their card? You’re so conservative you’re asking to go backwards. That is reason 1. Reason 2 is Nvidia 100% said to use the new connector and did not even allow it. The extreme cards just used 2 of those.

 

[Ruru]

Why should they use the outdated connectors, because a few people were unable to put the connectors in all the way and burned their card? You’re so conservative you’re asking to go backwards. That is reason 1. Reason 2 is Nvidia 100% said to use the new connector and did not even allow it. The extreme cards just used 2 of those.

Because they just work? Outdated doesn't mean obsolete.

Don't fix it if it's not broken

 

[AcE]

Because they just work? Outdated doesn't mean obsolete.

Outdated means it’s obsolete if you need to use 3 or 4 of them on single GPU cards which was never done and will never be done.

Don't fix it if it's not broken

Being this conservative in a tech forum is just weird.

 

[freeagent]

I like the new connector, works good for me

 

[Ruru]

Outdated means it’s obsolete if you need to use 3 or 4 of them on single GPU cards which was never done and will never be done.

Being this conservative in a tech forum is just weird.

Whatever, bro. I like having two sleeved 8-pins on my 3080 instead of that rushed connector.

I like the new connector, works good for me

*for now* nah, just kidding. Your card isn't also that power hungry.