AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

[3valatzy]

So they sell Nvidia cards. Like I said, shops sell whatever sells. They don't care about the colour of the box.


The 7800 XT has +50% performance over the 6700 XT at the same MSRP, but it should have been called x600? Dream on, bro.

And still, AMD sells 1 unit, while Nvidia sells 10 units. Care to elaborate why this is ?

I will give you a hint: 50% is nothing. AMD needs +200% in order to get some market share back . .

 

[AusWolf]

And still, AMD sells 1 unit, while Nvidia sells 10 units. Care to elaborate why this is ?

I did, see my post above. In short, AMD's marketing is bad, really bad.

 

[JustBenching]

And still, AMD sells 1 unit, while Nvidia sells 10 units. Care to elaborate why this is ?

Because the 7800xt launched too late (6 months after the 4070), availability wasn't bad but not great either, it was poor performer in RT and lacking in upscaling.

 

[Kapone33]

One of the issues AMD has is that the CPU chips use the same 4 nm process and well CPUs seem to take precedent at the moment. We still don't know how they will perform or what they will cost so judgement should be reserved.

 

[720p low]

A lot of people have been breaking AMD's cookies for years now over the lack of a true Nvidia DLSS-level upscaler, which is dependent upon on-chip hardware within a RTX GPU. So, at last, AMD squeezes the trigger on something apparently hardware-based for RDNA 4, and now some are bashing that move, on the basis of no backwards compatibility for earlier products.

Serious question: Is this somehow more egregious than telling 20 & 30-series RTX owners, "No frame-generation for you."?

I think that however poor it appeared that AMD confined their CES presentation to the CPU-side of things, it would have been absolutely foolish for them to show their cards, (pun-intended), before Nvidia revealed theirs. And, as AusWolf has noted, we still don't have all the details on the 50-series.

Personally, I think it is absolutely pathetic that, after spending high three and four-digit numbers, (dollars/euros), on a brand new, state-of-the-art graphics card with billions of cuda cores/stream processors, millions of ROPS, TMUs, and only God knows what else, we still find ourselves discussing, and sometimes arguing, about a freakin' upscaler.

Upscaling, so, you know, we can almost run a game created using some janky game engine that only five people on planet Earth have a clue how to use properly, but is still somehow becoming the game industry favorite. Or, upscaling to somewhat alleviate the absolute frame-rate blood-letting that takes place when RT kicks in. Hey, we can't live without it, right?

How the hell did we get to this point?

 

[JustBenching]

How the hell did we get to this point?

We got here by the industry wide adoption of TAA. Upscaling looks and performs better, so why not use it? But even without TAA, native looks like crap unless you use an expensive AA solution, and then you kiss your frames goodbye moreso than you do with RT.

 

[AusWolf]

We got here by the industry wide adoption of TAA. Upscaling looks and performs better, so why not use it? But even without TAA, native looks like crap unless you use an expensive AA solution, and then you kiss your frames goodbye moreso than you do with RT.

43.9% of people disagree with you.

What DLSS/FSR Upscaling Mode do you use?

With upscalers becoming more and more common, we're wondering are you using "Quality" most of the time, or do you prefer "Ultra Performance" for those extra FPS? Or maybe you really like native, without upscalers? Obviously all games are different, but what setting do you typically use, most of...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Krit]

What AMD is waiting for ? Probably FSR4 is not fully ready. Looks like custom 9070 models will be highly overclocked 8x3 connectors. nvidia are hiding it's weak raster performance.

 

[JustBenching]

43.9% of people disagree with you.

What DLSS/FSR Upscaling Mode do you use?

With upscalers becoming more and more common, we're wondering are you using "Quality" most of the time, or do you prefer "Ultra Performance" for those extra FPS? Or maybe you really like native, without upscalers? Obviously all games are different, but what setting do you typically use, most of...

www.techpowerup.com

And the other 56 disagrees with you, lol

 

[AusWolf]

How the hell did we get to this point?

And how the hell did we get to the point when every single thread turns into a red vs green flame war over a technology that we shouldn't even need with so many millions of shader cores, ROPs and TMUs in the first place? How the hell did people become so bloodthirsty and loyal to companies that only want our money?

And the other 56 disagrees with you, lol

And? All I'm saying is, your opinion isn't the only one out there. Upscaling isn't objectively better. Some people like it, some people don't.

 

[JustBenching]

And? All I'm saying is, your opinion isn't the only one out there.

And if you used how many people disagree with me as evidence that I'm wrong, obviously you are since more people disagree with you.

It's not an opinion, TAA is absolute crap and proper AA is expensive as hell (computationally I mean). Without upscaling I'd be stuck to a 1440p monitor, because of upscaling I'm on 4k + quality that looks miles better and performs similarly, so yeah.

 

[AusWolf]

And if you used how many people disagree with me as evidence that I'm wrong, obviously you are since more people disagree with you.

Again: so what? I don't care how many people disagree with me. I'm not the one trying to sell my personal opinion as the ultimate truth here.

It's not an opinion, TAA is absolute crap and proper AA is expensive as hell (computationally I mean). Without upscaling I'd be stuck to a 1440p monitor, because of upscaling I'm on 4k + quality that looks miles better and performs similarly, so yeah.

Good for you. I'm fine with a 1440 ultrawide and no upscaling.

 

[Kapone33]

What AMD is waiting for ? Probably FSR4 is not fully ready. Looks like custom 9070 models will be highly overclocked 8x3 connectors. nvidia are hiding it's weak raster performance.

Positive: They have a hit on their hands and were waiting for pricing. Like the 9800X3D they will let the reviewers run the narrative.

Negative: They got blindsided by Nvidia's pricing and features and are scrambling to adjust.

Both things could true and false at the same time. At this point all we have is conjecture. Some people may use MSI getting out of Radeon as an example but the truth is that As Rock have been selling as many if not more AMD DGPUs than even Sapphire. That leaves vendors like MSI out in the cold with the pricing. In some cases you can get a As Rock 7900XT for the cost of a high end MSI 7800XT.

We will see. If they are looking for 7900XTX performance and can achieve it for the right price these cards will be a success. I bought a 8600G during Black Friday and have been running through the courses with and it is faster than you expect.

And if you used how many people disagree with me as evidence that I'm wrong, obviously you are since more people disagree with you.

It's not an opinion, TAA is absolute crap and proper AA is expensive as hell (computationally I mean). Without upscaling I'd be stuck to a 1440p monitor, because of upscaling I'm on 4k + quality that looks miles better and performs similarly, so yeah.

You do know there is a TPU poll about Upscaling?

 

[Krit]

TAA is absolute crap

It depends for example in fallout 4 it's great. In GTA V it's terrible.

 

[AusWolf]

Positive: They have a hit on their hands and were waiting for pricing. Like the 9800X3D they will let the reviewers run the narrative.

Negative: They got blindsided by Nvidia's pricing and features and are scrambling to adjust.

To everyone: which one is better? AMD retracting some crap that they were gonna say at CES and adjusting, or saying the crap and suffering backlash for it?

Both things could true and false at the same time. At this point all we have is conjecture. Some people may use MSI getting out of Radeon as an example but the truth is that As Rock have been selling as many if not more AMD DGPUs than even Sapphire. That leaves vendors like MSI out in the cold with the pricing. In some cases you can get a As Rock 7900XT for the cost of a high end MSI 7800XT.

MSi is brilliant with motherboards and Nvidia cards, but crap with AMD ones. Good riddance if you ask me. The next such offender is Asus.

 

[Sound_Card]

It's over for AMD. I was reading some Instagram comments about Nvidia's 5070 release. People actually think the 5070 is as fast as the 4090 and their comments are getting liked by tens of thousands of people. It's like I stated in another thread - the average Nvidia consumer is unintelligent at worst, or blissfully misinformed at best.

Anyway, I was informed by an old friend of mine who is a bit in the ''inside''. AMD had aggressively priced the 9070/xt and was prepared to showcase it at CES. It was priced to hurt the 5070 hard. 4080 super performance for the cost of a 7800xt. But they heard Nvidia was aggressively pricing the 5070 at $550 in a preemptive response to the 9070. What happens next is anyone's guesss, but I think they will try to market the card at $400 because that was the war plan from the start, to undercut the 5070 by about $150 while offering the same performance and features (FSR 4, frame gen, better encoder etc).

 

[JustBenching]

It depends for example in fallout 4 it's great. In GTA V it's terrible.

Offtopic, but fo4 isn't using proper TAA, it's sampling the whole frame. That's why there is still aliasing. Compare it next to fxaa and you'll notice it is still blurry. Nothing touches MSAA but it's heavy, that's why we need Upscalers. Fsr4 is a step in the right direction if it uses dedicated hardware.

 

[Dawora]

Because like you said, it won't work without the market adopting it.

Another side of the coin is that closed standards are anti-competitive. If you want X standard, you'll have to buy X product. It's the antithesis of freedom of choice. Sure, it doesn't benefit these companies much, but I'm talking from my perspective as a customer.

Although, considering that basically all consoles use AMD hardware, market adoption of a closed FSR 4 might not be such a big problem even if their desktop GPU market share is low.

Soon everyone use and buy only Nvidia..
No closed standards.. its just a standard.

43.9% of people disagree with you.

What DLSS/FSR Upscaling Mode do you use?

With upscalers becoming more and more common, we're wondering are you using "Quality" most of the time, or do you prefer "Ultra Performance" for those extra FPS? Or maybe you really like native, without upscalers? Obviously all games are different, but what setting do you typically use, most of...

www.techpowerup.com

43% = AMD users

Amd fans dont like DLSS because its works better than AMD FSR

around 90% hate again DLSS or FG comes from butthurt Amd fans.

Tech forums are still full of Amd fans even Nvidia have a marketshare domination.

I just waiting the day when there is no more AMD gpus, and no more AMD gpu fans.
Then we are all big green happy family, enjoying superior DLSS and FG

 

[Sound_Card]

Soon everyone use and buy only Nvidia..
No closed standards.. its just a standard.


43% = AMD users

Amd fans dont like DLSS because its works better than AMD FSR

around 90% hate again DLSS or FG comes from butthurt Amd fans.

Tech forums are still full of Amd fans even Nvidia have a marketshare domination.

I just waiting the day when there is no more AMD gpus, and no more AMD gpu fans.
Then we are all big green happy family, enjoying superior DLSS and FG

Mods, please don't delete this post. Let this be a reminder to everyone the kind of mass psychosis AMD has to fight against. If not that, let it at least be entertainment lol.

 

[AusWolf]

Soon everyone use and buy only Nvidia..
No closed standards.. its just a standard.

I bet you just can't wait to pay 3 grand for a midrange GPU.

The only butthurt fan I see here is you.

Mods, please don't delete this post. Let this be a reminder to everyone the kind of mass psychosis AMD has to fight against. If not that, let it at least be entertainment lol.

It is funny, but also a bit sad. I don't understand why some human specimens always find a way back to prehistoric tribalism over meaningless matters such as a colour on the box of your graphics card, even after we've achieved so much as a species.

 

[Jtuck9]

"Can I tell you that in the future, every pixel is going to be ML [machine learning]-generated? Yes, absolutely. It will be in the future. But when that future is? And should we charge a gamer for that technology today so that they can be the seed for that in the future? Those are all the tough decisions we have to face."

Q&A: AMD execs explain CES GPU snub, future strategy, and more

At CES 2025, AMD's Frank Azor and David McAfee spoke about why RDNA 4 didn't get a mention in its keynote, why the X3D chips are so hard to find, and if fake frames are the future of PC graphics.

www.pcworld.com

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I just waiting the day when there is no more AMD gpus, and no more AMD gpu fans.
Then we are all big green happy family, enjoying superior DLSS and FG

Wow.

I know that we are in the middle of a dark period for consumers due to corporations worshiping but this is on another level.

Holy lord…

 

[Jtuck9]

Positive: They have a hit on their hands and were waiting for pricing. Like the 9800X3D they will let the reviewers run the narrative.

Negative: They got blindsided by Nvidia's pricing and features and are scrambling to adjust.

Both things could true and false at the same time. At this point all we have is conjecture. Some people may use MSI getting out of Radeon as an example but the truth is that As Rock have been selling as many if not more AMD DGPUs than even Sapphire. That leaves vendors like MSI out in the cold with the pricing. In some cases you can get a As Rock 7900XT for the cost of a high end MSI 7800XT.

We will see. If they are looking for 7900XTX performance and can achieve it for the right price these cards will be a success. I bought a 8600G during Black Friday and have been running through the courses with and it is faster than you expect.


You do know there is a TPU poll about Upscaling?

Are the Asrock cards any cop? Think their card looked appealing from the 9070 renders. Pity no high end x870 ITX board from them, as of yet.

 

[phubar]

If they are looking for 7900XTX performance and can achieve it for the right price these cards will be a success.

There is no chance at all you'll see 7900xtx performance out of even a stock overclocked 9070 with air or AIO water cooling.

The 256bit memory bus alone nearly guarantees that. And its still using the same process as the 7900xtx did so the clocks can't be dramatically better like they'd need to be to make up for the large difference in compute units.

By all accounts they also didn't do any major ground breaking engineering of compute units, or add the gigantic L2/3 caches that would be necessary to make up for the memory bandwidth, either. The rumors have all been that RDNA4 is basically a bug fixed RDNA3 that exists to be a stop gap solution until they get UDNA out the door hopefully sometime in 2026. Best we could hope for, even with a stock overclocked model with 3x 8 pin power connectors, is something like a 7900xt +10%-ish for pure raster and maybe RT performance on par with a 4070Ti.

Which if they price it right will actually be a solid card that will sell well.

Pricing it right means selling it for like $450 tops though given the 5070 and 5060 pricing + performance. Especially since FSR4 support seems to be mostly mediocre with only maybe 3 big games supporting it.

If they try to price it at $500 while the 5070 is selling for $550 you'll see their market share either stagnate or maybe even drop somewhat further. That would essentially be the same pricing tactics they've been trying now since at least the 6000 series GPU's and its seen them drop to single digit percentage of market share so its clearly not a winning approach.

If they're so foolish to try to price it at $600 or more they'll sell nearly nothing and deserve the financial disaster they get.

But they heard Nvidia was aggressively pricing the 5070 at $550 in a preemptive response to the 9070. What happens next is anyone's guesss, but I think they will try to market the card at $400 because that was the war plan from the start, to undercut the 5070 by about $150 while offering the same performance and features (FSR 4, frame gen, better encoder etc).

If that was their goal there is no reason at all why they shouldn't have announced that loud and proud at CES.

That is absolutely a winner of a plan and AMD would know it.

That they suddenly became very hush about 9070 performance and pricing is a huge give away that there is a major issue with those 2 things.

 

[Kapone33]

There is no chance at all you'll see 7900xtx performance out of even a stock overclocked 9070 with air or AIO water cooling.

The 256bit memory bus alone nearly guarantees that. And its still using the same process as the 7900xtx did so the clocks can't be dramatically better like they'd need to be to make up for the large difference in compute units.

By all accounts they also didn't do any major ground breaking engineering of compute units, or add the gigantic L2/3 caches that would be necessary to make up for the memory bandwidth, either. The rumors have all been that RDNA4 is basically a bug fixed RDNA3 that exists to be a stop gap solution until they get UDNA out the door hopefully sometime in 2026. Best we could hope for, even with a stock overclocked model with 3x 8 pin power connectors, is something like a 7900xt +10%-ish for pure raster and maybe RT performance on par with a 4070Ti.

Which if they price it right will actually be a solid card that will sell well.

Pricing it right means selling it for like $450 tops though given the 5070 and 5060 pricing + performance. Especially since FSR4 support seems to be mostly mediocre with only maybe 3 big games supporting it.

If they try to price it at $500 while the 5070 is selling for $550 you'll see their market share either stagnate or maybe even drop somewhat further. That would essentially be the same pricing tactics they've been trying now since at least the 6000 series GPU's and its seen them drop to single digit percentage of market share so its clearly not a winning approach.

If they're so foolish to try to price it at $600 or more they'll sell nearly nothing and deserve the financial disaster they get.


If that was their goal there is no reason at all why they shouldn't have announced that loud and proud at CES.

That is absolutely a winner of a plan and AMD would know it.

That they suddenly became very hush about 9070 performance and pricing is a huge give away that there is a major issue with those 2 things.

A 7900XTX is about 10% faster than a 7900XT. The only difference is 4GB VRAM. Before people jump on me I had a 7900XTX that I returned. The 7900Xt was $400 cheaper too.

I hear you on the bit bus but look at the 6750XT which is a refined 6700XT and not far away from a Vanilla 6800.