AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Tested in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth: Wukong

[AusWolf]

But complaining that the one with the fastest isn't making them much faster while ignoring everyone else not even getting anywhere near to the fastest seems weird. If stagnation is an issue, the fingers should be pointed at Intel and AMD. If they can't even keep up with a "stagnated" nvidia, what the flying heck are they even doing and why are they doing it?

Would it be unfair to say that reading your previous post, I should have concluded that now nvidia only excels in RT and software, and that in raster performance they are lagging behind everyone else cause they ignored hardware improvements? And yet...reality is the exact opposite.

Don't let "the fastest card" cloud your judgement.
1. That fastest card is also more expensive and more power-hungry than the last fastest one = stagnation.
2. Look at levels below the fastest card. Do you see a lot of improvement there? I don't. I only see more fake frames and 12 GB GPUs for $550 = stagnation.

 

[dirtyferret]

Not well enough to pull AMD's GPU sales out of the gutter, which is the point. Its not a real new console gen. Its just an upgrade.

Since consoles are more like cheap, compact PCs these days, the differences between "generations" diminish.

AMD will find higher margins selling to AIBs than to Sony & MS

 

[JustBenching]

Don't let "the fastest card" cloud your judgement.
1. That fastest card is also more expensive and more power-hungry than the last fastest one = stagnation.
2. Look at levels below the fastest card. Do you see a lot of improvement there? I don't. I only see more fake frames and 12 GB GPUs for $550 = stagnation.

The funny part is I agree with you. Nvidia has given us anemic gen on gen upgrades in the midrange for.. at least 4 years now. Surely with nvidia being so stagnant, you'd expect the competition to have leapfroged them. If the 9070xt isn't at the very minimum 30% faster than the Nvidia equivalent, then I can't call stagnation an nvidia issue.

And I'm being generous with that 30%, considering both the 4070 and the 5070 are anemic upgrades, the equivalent unstagnated card should be over twice as fast as the 5070...

 

[AusWolf]

The funny part is I agree with you. Nvidia has given us anemic gen on gen upgrades in the midrange for.. at least 4 years now. Surely with nvidia being so stagnant, you'd expect the competition to have leapfroged them. If the 9070xt isn't at the very minimum 30% faster than the Nvidia equivalent, then I can't call stagnation an nvidia issue.

And I'm being generous with that 30%, considering both the 4070 and the 5070 are anemic upgrades, the equivalent unstagnated card should be over twice as fast as the 5070...

The funny part is that it is in no company's best interest to give you a lot for a small profit. Not even AMD's. This is why they skipped announcing RDNA 4 at CES. They probably could have set the lowest profit margin on it to give it away as a freebie, and people would have praised them for it, but why would they have? Why not just wait for Nvidia, to undercut them by a little? Everyone lives on a profit. AMD is no exception.

 

[dirtyferret]

The sad truth is about 50% of the readers here zombie buy Nvidia and love the company unconditionally

I don't see that on this forum, probably more typical of people who don't stay updated on video cards and simply go with Nvidia because their previous cards were Nvidia

We all love bashing ngreedia in this forum but - and it's a friendly ask - can you explain to me how nvidia is all about "maximizing the profit on the hardware upgrade,

Kind of contradicts Daven above but Nvidia is no different than Intel or AMD on maximizing profits when they are in market position to keep prices up. In fact they have a fiduciary responsibility to do so. I think you can understand why people would be angry with that from a consumer end.

But the 9070xt will barely if even that beat their last gen cards....

OK but their last gen cards were pretty good in terms of native rasterization so if the 9700XT gives consumers value for their money (personally think it's too high in cost) and possibly force Nvidia to drop their prices (doubtful but maybe) on competitive cards then how is that not a good thing for consumers?

 

[AusWolf]

I don't see that on this forum, probably more typical of people who don't stay updated on video cards and simply go with Nvidia because their previous cards were Nvidia

I do see that here. Probably not as much as in the real world, where I know people who can't even tell you a single AMD model name because they so deeply don't give a crap, but still...

As for the rest of your post, I agree.

 

[dirtyferret]

I do see that here. Probably not as much as in the real world

I'm sure there are a few people on the forum who believe the leather jacket messiah (and those that bleed team red) can do not wrong but for the most part we have "relatively" sane posters as opposed to other PC tech forums that can and will go hard towards one team or the other.

I'm selfish and only care about team me and what companies can give me for my dollar.

 

[Guwapo77]

Not well enough to pull AMD's GPU sales out of the gutter, which is the point. Its not a real new console gen. Its just an upgrade.

I'm aware its not a whole new generation hence the PRO. I own it and know first hand of the benefits over the vanilla version. Just curious as to why you specifically picked the Pro to target, its merely a mid-gen refresh. PS 5 and Microsoft combined only sold 91 Million...that's a big difference from dGPUs sold from AMD. The purpose of AMD infiltrating the console space was for games to adopt their toolkits. It was suppose to translate into the PC space, but I believe they have fallen short of their hopes and dreams.

 

[dyonoctis]

I'm looking at the market, the development in perf/$ and more precisely, the stagnation of that development. perfectly slotted stagnated mess.

What do you mean, for an additional 30€ euro I get slightly lower performance, but twice the Ram!!!! /S
I'm waiting to see what the 500€ segment will look like. The 5070 is going to be a 649€ GPU in France.

 

[Visible Noise]

The problem is that the whole internet revolves around that loud 10%. That's why we are getting 50 videos about the 3070s vram issues when you are trying to max out textures and use rt at the same time, but noone complains that the 5700xt doesn't even launch new games. Doesn't work. Older cards like the 2060 and the 2070 work just fine, 5700xt is no Bueno. But yeah, ngreedia and shady practices lol

AMD fans are so vocal, I don’t why. You’d think it’s AMD with the 90% market share with all the simping they do.

 

[Redwoodz]

AMD fans are so vocal, I don’t why. You’d think it’s AMD with the 90% market share with all the simping they do.

Who is more vocal, a wise man or an idiot?

 

[Dawora]

Are you a troll or the elevator simply doesn't go to the top floor?

Nvidia is sold in first floor...amd Gpus in top floor where only handfull of peoples go.

Exactly the same here. People like calling me an AMD fan just because I call Nvidia out on their bullshit. I call everybody out on bullshit, as I was born with a deep and utter hatred for bullshit. I just commented in another thread saying that the 9800X3D isn't much of an improvement over the 7800X3D because it achieves 10% higher performance at 50-100% power.

What people also don't see is that I have many Intel and AMD CPUs, and many Nvidia and AMD GPUs. I buy whatever suits my needs. Sure, the last Nvidia card that I bought is Turing, but that's because I got it for a good enough price. Modern Nvidia cards all cost more than the AMD equivalent. Why should I spend more money for features I don't need? Not to mention how flawless the AMD Linux experience is. I've heard Nvidia has improved, too, but I'll have to test it.

Long story short, Nvidia has disappointed me generation by generation with their focus on AI, offering marginal improvements otherwise at inflated prices. That's why I buy AMD. Once that changes, I'll be happy to buy Nvidia again. And if this makes me look like a fan (that I'm not) in some Nvidia cultist's eyes, that's not my problem.

Lot of me me me. U do u,i got that.
Then why u care so much what others buy or think or what they want from GPUs

i like DLSS and 4K it makes dream come true, and afther 5090 it will be awesome, all the features is just the bonus i like to have.

Only thing i dont like is 5070 12GB, but im not buying it so not my problems

Don't let "the fastest card" cloud your judgement.
1. That fastest card is also more expensive and more power-hungry than the last fastest one = stagnation.
2. Look at levels below the fastest card. Do you see a lot of improvement there? I don't. I only see more fake frames and 12 GB GPUs for $550 = stagnation.

U cant see nothing yet until we see real benchmarks..

And why u trying to brainwash ppls to hate nvidia?

Ai/FG all those "fake" frames will be future.. even in AMD cards, if they dont quit releasing GPUs

 

[Visible Noise]

Who is more vocal, a wise man or an idiot?

Excellent, thanks for proving my point.

 

[AusWolf]

Lot of me me me. U do u,i got that.
Then why u care so much what others buy or think or what they want from GPUs

I'm not the one who came to a Radeon thread to troll about Nvidia. I don't care what people buy - you do. I'm only responding to bullshit.

And why u trying to brainwash ppls to hate nvidia?

Ai/FG all those "fake" frames will be future.. even in AMD cards, if they dont quit releasing GPUs

I'm not trying to brainwash anyone. I'm encouraging everybody to think for themselves instead of giving in to the hype.

Again, what are you doing posting "Nvidia this Nvidia that" in a Radeon thread? Have you got something to prove? Does Nvidia pay you to advertise them? Have you got anything to say about the 9070 XT? If not, get out. You're offing the thread.

 

[Flyordie]

Honestly, I'd have no problem paying $1,100 for a graphics card but I ain't paying that for a card that isn't using bleeding edge tech. I want to see a card like a 7900GRE with HBM2e or even HBM3. Give gamers a small form factor, high performance card. I know AMD will be doing that next architecture as they are now bringing compute and gaming back into the same core so it'll be easier to just build 1 high end core just like they did with Vega/Vega7nm. Especially now that RT requires so much compute power.

For its time- Vega64 was a compute power house for its size. When is the last time a flagship card was less than 1.5" longer than the motherboard and only 2 slots thick. lol. I couldn't even fit a 7900XTX or even a GRE if I wanted to in my case. My water pump wouldn't allow it.

 

[Luminescent]

If we go back a few years we find that both AMD and Nvidia made a lot of money from mining, how much money does AMD need to properly compete with Nvidia ?
AMD is the Samsung of this tech space and is not a coincidence, it's on purpose, AMD's R&D stands for Research & Duplicate what Nvidia does.

 

[Zach_01]

But the 9070xt will barely if even that beat their last gen cards...

shortsighted view.
That does not mean that perf/price is not progressing forward.

If 9070XT performs as 7900XT($900) in raster and over 7900XTX($1000) in RT with better FSR and cost about half the price of the both 7900s then the progress is huge.
Much higher than what nVidia offers.
Not counting FG…

 

[Denver]

I'm not the one who came to a Radeon thread to troll about Nvidia. I don't care what people buy - you do. I'm only responding to bullshit.


I'm not trying to brainwash anyone. I'm encouraging everybody to think for themselves instead of giving in to the hype.

Again, what are you doing posting "Nvidia this Nvidia that" in a Radeon thread? Have you got something to prove? Does Nvidia pay you to advertise them? Have you got anything to say about the 9070 XT? If not, get out. You're offing the thread.

You are effectively trying to talk to a category analogous to a flat earther. This place used to be better.

AMD needs to drastically restructure its marketing department, focusing resources instead on software development and extracting every drop of potential from their hardware, 5-10% more or less is the difference between being at the top of the chart as a winner or not. Performance is the best possible marketing, consumers become the marketing.

This kind of thing cannot continue to happen, the driver/kernel written by a virtually unknown guy beating the one written by the engineers of a multi-billion dollar company:
Tiny Corp Nearing "Completely Sovereign" Compute Stack For AMD GPUs With Tinygrad - Phoronix

AMD's hardware is very good. I think if it were in Nvidia's hands, RDNA3 would be destroying ADA (in raster). That's just my ignorant opinion.

 

[bug]

You are effectively trying to talk to a category analogous to a flat earther. This place used to be better.

The guy just said

But the 9070xt will barely if even that beat their last gen cards

What's flat earther about that?

 

[Denver]

The guy just said

What's flat earther about that?

Well, I think you lost track of the discussion while trying to jump into it. I suppose you can figure that out on your own, just check the posts above.

 

[Figus]

Seeing how things after CES look, early 4090 adopters are really gonna get their money's worth over 4+ years.

Mine 6800XT it's more than 3 y.o and still keep up well in 1440p, for 599€ in 2021 best bang for the bucks so far, so if nothing happens in the console side, with an incredible boost of performance, or 4090 can be good even for more...

 

[Zazigalka]

Mine 6800XT it's more than 3 y.o and still keep up well in 1440p, for 599€ in 2021 best bang for the bucks so far, so if nothing happens in the console side, with an incredible boost of performance, or 4090 can be good even for more...

shame about fsr4 being locked though.

 

[Figus]

shame about fsr4 being locked though.

yeah... but honestly if I could find a 9700xt at msrp I will buy one, I think I can still sell my 6800xt at 300-350€ more or less... is still faster than 7800xt in many games and its an ASUS TUF.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I keep forgetting about this topic. Then this topic gets bumped. Then I'm excited for 9070 news. Then I'm disappointed again.

 

[Zach_01]

yeah... but honestly if I could find a 9700xt at msrp I will buy one, I think I can still sell my 6800xt at 300-350€ more or less... is still faster than 7800xt in many games and its an ASUS TUF.

I’m pretty sure you’ll not find a 9700XT.
On the other hand a 9070XT most likely yes…