DOOM: The Dark Ages Requires RT. Release Date, PC System Requirements, and New Gameplay Trailer Revealed

[Jtuck9]

the first thing i thought when looking at the poster is "Evil Dead: The FPS", he has a BOOMSTICK and a CHAINSHIELD, pretty much in the same pose as army of darkness

when i watched the trailer, errrrr it's pretty much a high budget serious sam 4: hordes of enemies, gore, he even gets on a pacific-rim jäger just like Sam gets on the popemobile (one of the favourite parts of the entire game for me)

I always thought the first RAGE was an interesting blueprint for how a DOOM WORLD game might play.

 

[Event Horizon]

I miss Doom 2016's multiplayer. It was extremely fun. A perfect combination of Halo and Doom. Shame they couldn't keep the cheaters out. Looks like they've completely abandoned proper multiplayer in the sequels.

 

[evernessince]

It was no different in the late 90's and early 2000's when graphics fidelity sky rocketed within a couple of years.

The market was not very mature back then, people were willing to put up with that sort of thing because it was still very young.

There's really no excuse for a game to do the same thing today because you can always have a rasterization fallback to RT, every game engine already supports rasterized lighting and a mature implementation at that. When early 3D PC games started implementing features that required a GPU upgrade it's because there was no fallback. Those were the very basics required to make 3D games. Today we are lucky enough to have multiple approaches and it makes sense to utilize everything where appropriate.

Your average AAA title in the 90s ran 1-3 million, your average AAA title today runs $200 - $400 million. Really no excuse to not include a tried and true rasterized fallback when rasterized lighting has already been so well refined.

I'd also like to point out two other important factors:

1) RT introduces noise. This is visible on surfaces and reflections.
2) Getting decent RT performance is expensive. The cost to purchase a base level of performance in AAA titles has been skyrocketing due to game requirements exploding and a lack of improvement to value provided by GPU manufacturers.

The transition to RT feels forced. I'm willing to bet if good RT performance was affordable and gamers were always given the choice between RT and Raster the technology would be a lot less grating for many. As it stands right now it's both expensive and Nvidia seems dead set on dragging gamers along regardless of their impressions. Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on, you have to agree that this is absolutely not the correct approach.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Dear id Software,

Please make a Quake 1 sequel.

Thanks,
Just another fanboy

THIS!! YES!

 

[TheDeeGee]

The market was not very mature back then, people were willing to put up with that sort of thing because it was still very young.

There's really no excuse for a game to do the same thing today because you can always have a rasterization fallback to RT, every game engine already supports rasterized lighting and a mature implementation at that. When early 3D PC games started implementing features that required a GPU upgrade it's because there was no fallback. Those were the very basics required to make 3D games. Today we are lucky enough to have multiple approaches and it makes sense to utilize everything where appropriate.

Your average AAA title in the 90s ran 1-3 million, your average AAA title today runs $200 - $400 million. Really no excuse to not include a tried and true rasterized fallback when rasterized lighting has already been so well refined.

I'd also like to point out two other important factors:

1) RT introduces noise. This is visible on surfaces and reflections.
2) Getting decent RT performance is expensive. The cost to purchase a base level of performance in AAA titles has been skyrocketing due to game requirements exploding and a lack of improvement to value provided by GPU manufacturers.

The transition to RT feels forced. I'm willing to bet if good RT performance was affordable and gamers were always given the choice between RT and Raster the technology would be a lot less grating for many. As it stands right now it's both expensive and Nvidia seems dead set on dragging gamers along regardless of their impressions. Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on, you have to agree that this is absolutely not the correct approach.

You can't just make a toggle for Raster vs RT/PT due to baked lighting.

 

[evernessince]

You can't just make a toggle for Raster vs RT/PT due to baked lighting.

Well you can because certain games have exactly that. Baked lighting doesn't require RT on the consumer's hardware, that's not how baking works. The lighting is calculated on the devs end and it isn't done in real-time anyways.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I just watch the trailer, they still uses console (or at least controller) in the trailer its very jarring movement I don't like it, Doom is a PC game so IMO it should be played with keyboard + mouse. They kinda toned down the monkey on acid trip of Eternal so that good news. Though I dunno whether I like the idea of Doomguy using shield as weapon.

Although most people here say about RT being taxing and introduces noise and all, but I believe these guys will optimize their game engine well like in previous games. This isn't your regular UE5 crap. I really hope I'm right about this.

This is my personal take on Doom universe (don't quote me on this), Doomguy is supposed to be a regular homo sapien, I like John Carmack vision of Doom reboot in Doom3, Doom 1993 from what I play and remember is moving along in dark corridor hearing monsters around us with flickering light which captures beautifully in Doom3 with great shadowing and sound engine using EAX4 (I can't play Doom3 without using EAX it just feels like different game), I don't mind if that evolve into fast paced action like Doom 2016 which I also like, original 1993 is fast paced too with large open areas circle strafing around tankier enemies. But this story of Doomguy being immortal, doesn't need to eat and sleep and beating ancient Gods just feels over the top.

 

[Onasi]

@Apocalypsee
I mean, technically the Doom Slayer in 2016 and Eternal is supposed to be the same guy from classic Doom games. It doesn’t make much sense and mostly serves as pure fanservice, but TECHNICALLY 1-2-64-2016-Eternal-TAG is one canon story. I have no idea how The Final Doom and Legacy of Rust are supposed to tie into all this, but it’s fucking Doom. I don’t really overthink these things. 3 and its Xpac is pretty much “on its own” in this whole shebang though.

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

People want better graphics, and then complain about system requirements.

Funny isn't it?

People want more value for less money. Makes perfect sense to me, that is just being a good consumer.