AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

[Krit]

So why is the 9070XT so slow? Are consumers allowing that to happen also?

Slow in comparision to what ? This one replaces RX 7800 XT and it will be much faster than some silly 10-13% gain from blackwell RTX 5080 uplift don't wory about that.

 

[3valatzy]

Do you know how much the 9070 XT will cost?

900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.

 

[AusWolf]

900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.

I'm not sure if you intended this post as sarcasm. I'll just assume that you did.

 

[3valatzy]

I'm not sure if you intended this post as sarcasm. I'll just assume that you did.

The realist me. The optimist would like to see RX 7900 XTX performance for 399$, but it's not happening.

 

[AusWolf]

The realist me.

So you think we're gonna see 2023 $500 level performance for $900 this time? And if you were AMD, how would you justify it? If you really think this seriously, I'd suggest seeing your doctor.

 

[3valatzy]

So you think we're gonna see 2023 $500 level performance for $900 this time? And if you were AMD, how would you justify it? If you really think this seriously, I'd suggest seeing your doctor.

Remember the covid-19 and mining times?

 

[AusWolf]

Remember the covid-19 and mining times?

Covid and mining didn't affect MSRP, only retail availability and scalping.

Remember the 5080? Even Nvidia wasn't daft to price it higher than last gen's equal performer. What makes you think AMD would pull something like that?

 

[Bronan]

All the hype and nonsense posts that AMD has to sell a card for scraps money
I am happy that they do not rush it on the market and take their time to get as much improvements as possible before the release on the market.
To be honest i would not even care if it would be launched in august, because then i can ask my friends to give me the card when i became again much older

 

[Kryger91]

If they slot the 9070xt reference model at $600 and the 9070 at $450 they would absolutely sweep the competition, in terms of cost per frame.

 

[Dahita]

900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.

But let's stop blaming everything on scalpers. They are not to blame in Nvidia's current shortage. Nvidia's purposefully releasing fewer graphic cards to make room to produce more A100 and H100 for data centers and AI, which is much more lucrative. Thus, scarcity looks like high demand and prices remain high. They win on every count.

Scalpers wouldn't be able to scalp if stores were filled with products.

 

[AusWolf]

But let's stop blaming everything on scalpers. They are not to blame in Nvidia's current shortage. Nvidia's purposefully releasing fewer graphic cards to make room to produce more A100 and H100 for data centers and AI, which is much more lucrative. Thus, scarcity looks like high demand and prices remain high. They win on every count.

Scalpers wouldn't be able to scalp if stores were filled with products.

That, and chips being reserved for the Super cards most probably.

 

[medi01]

If they slot the 9070xt reference model at $600 and the 9070 at $450 they would absolutely sweep the competition, in terms of cost per frame.

Nah. "but awesome features", and "buh a handful of games with (fake) full RT"., and "buh reasons" is eternal.

 

[Broken Processor]

Doesn't help AMD anything at all on having 15% more performance here when AMD lacks all of the great features the NVIDIA GPU have. I would gladly have 10-15% lower performance in trade for the awesome features the NVIDIA GPUs comes with.

The awesome feature set is one of the reasons why NVIDIA sells like hot cakes.

What features? How do they improve you user experience compared to AMD's feature stack?

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

What features? How do they improve you user experience compared to AMD's feature stack?

1. 'RTX HDR'. Takes any SDR games without HDR support and converts them into real HDR. AMD can't do this. They only support HDR in games if the games supports it natively. And yes, I do have a display that supports HDR. So, this feature is worth A LOT.

2. 'RTX Video HDR'. It uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to dynamically remap Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) video content to High Dynamic Range (HDR10) quality video, improving visibility, details, and vibrance of streamed video. Note that you will need an HDR compatible display to be able to use this feature.

This also works on locally stored videos on your computer.

3. 'RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR). It's a video upscaling technology that uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to improve the quality of video by removing blocky compression artifacts and upscaling video resolution. This improves video sharpness and clarity, and lets people watch local and online content, for example from Twitch or YouTube in their native display resolution, even if they are on a 4K high-resolution display.

AMD might have something similar, but it only works in the web browser if I have understood it correct.

4. 'CUDA-cores'. It has a huge support in many programs over what the similar feature to AMD has.

5. 'Tensor-cores'. As mentioned over. This thing can be used to many different things.

6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.

7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.

All of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.

So, changing GPU brand just to change is not what we want.

And as I'm doing 60% productivity / video editing / normal usage and 40% gaming now, then a NVIDIA card will always be better. AMD GPUs are more focused towards pure gaming and for those who do pure raster FPS chasing.

 

[Contra]

@The Norwegian Drone Pilot

Of course, you'll excuse me, but I haven't seen a more hilarious comment for a long time)
You read all this for the first time when you wrote this post, and from your comments it's clear that you don't even know what you're writing about)
That's why you simply copied all this marketing nonsense from the advertising brochure
Don't be offended, but no one needs this information - it's well-known, but it doesn't carry any semantic load and doesn't explain anything

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

@The Norwegian Drone Pilot

Of course, you'll excuse me, but I haven't seen a more hilarious comment for a long time)
You read all this for the first time when you wrote this post, and from your comments it's clear that you don't even know what you're writing about)
That's why you simply copied all this marketing nonsense from the advertising brochure
Don't be offended, but no one needs this information - it's well-known, but it doesn't carry any semantic load and doesn't explain anything

Doesn't change the fact that the features are still there on the NVIDIA GPUs and the fact that I simply use all of those features every single day like many others are doing as well. I copied the explanations from the advertising brochure just so everyone would understand what the different features is.

It simply just explains why most people prefer NVIDIA GPUs over AMD GPUs. Simply because the NVIDIA GPUs offer WAAAAY more than just pure gaming things. Yes, most peoples do many more things on their computers than just gaming, even those who call themself for gamers.

There is a very very good reason why AMD is almost non-existent in the market. Because they simply don't understand what most people actually want in a GPU. Having lower prices (by 20-25%) is not enough in a lightyear.

So, what exactly are so hilarious with my comment?

 

[Broken Processor]

1. 'RTX HDR'. Takes any SDR games without HDR support and converts them into real HDR. AMD can't do this. They only support HDR in games if the games supports it natively. And yes, I do have a display that supports HDR. So, this feature is worth A LOT.

2. 'RTX Video HDR'. It uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to dynamically remap Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) video content to High Dynamic Range (HDR10) quality video, improving visibility, details, and vibrance of streamed video. Note that you will need an HDR compatible display to be able to use this feature.

This also works on locally stored videos on your computer.

3. 'RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR). It's a video upscaling technology that uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to improve the quality of video by removing blocky compression artifacts and upscaling video resolution. This improves video sharpness and clarity, and lets people watch local and online content, for example from Twitch or YouTube in their native display resolution, even if they are on a 4K high-resolution display.

AMD might have something similar, but it only works in the web browser if I have understood it correct.

4. 'CUDA-cores'. It has a huge support in many programs over what the similar feature to AMD has.

5. 'Tensor-cores'. As mentioned over. This thing can be used to many different things.

6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.

7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.

All of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.

So, changing GPU brand just to change is not what we want.

And as I'm doing 60% productivity / video editing / normal usage and 40% gaming now, then a NVIDIA card will always be better. AMD GPUs are more focused towards pure gaming and for those who do pure raster FPS chasing.

Some good points but mostly bollox.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Some good points but mostly bollox.

And why is it bollox?

They are very useful for many.

 

[kapone32]

Do you understand what performance per dollar is?

I think every review is amd biased since they get amd cards for free.

Meanwhile all TPU staff got Nvidia GPUs from PNY.

 

[freeagent]

Meanwhile all TPU staff got Nvidia GPUs from PNY.

I wish.

 

[kapone32]

I wish.

I guess only reviewers then. It was quite the post.

 

[freeagent]

I guess only reviewers then. It was quite the post.

I had my shot, but didn't take it. Maybe next time

 

[ThomasK]

6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.

What cave have you been living in? The RTX 5090 just launched, pulling close to 600w.

7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.

"We get"? Are you talking on behalf of who? Yourself only or the entire fanboy community?

All of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.

You're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.

You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.

 

[AusWolf]

You're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.

You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.

Don't waste your breath. When AMD was $50 cheaper all across the board, your typical Nvidia fan demanded a $100 discount. Now that we have news of AMD coming with a $150 lower price tag, it's suddenly a $200 discount they want. If AMD came in at $500 lower, I'm sure it would still be shit because it's not $600. The goalpost always moves.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

What cave have you been living in? The RTX 5090 just launched, pulling close to 600w.

Look at all of the other 4000 & 5000 series GPUs from NVIDIA though. They all use less power compared to their AMD GPU counterpart. The 5090 is something most aren't going to buy anyways, because it's out of their reach money wise, so I don't include it. I do it because it's a double monster over what the 5080 is.

"We get"? Are you talking on behalf of who? Yourself only or the entire fanboy community?

Maybe you should look on the market share to NVIDIA and figure out why so many peoples are buying their GPUs and why the market for AMD GPUs are like a complete ghost town out in the desert?
*Hint. It's not just because of marketing, but because of many useful features the AMD GPUs doesn't have, like I have written down over.

You're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.

The reason NVIDIA sells like hot cakes, is simply because all know what they get and know that they will get good and high-quality features. We get that every time a new NVIDIA GPU generation comes out. Why do you think people buy NVIDIA GPUs over and over and over?

Go figure.

You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.

Why waste time when you can save time by copying what the features does directly from NVIDIA when I would just explain it the same way anyways without taking it from NVIDIA. The features would not be explained any different or explained what it does in a different way no matter how I would write it.

Also, you seem be upset because I am merely presenting the hard facts about why many people are purchasing NVIDIA GPUs like hot cakes and why most will not switch to AMD GPUs simply for the sake of change.