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AMD CPUs had 92% Market Share at German PC Hardware Retailer in January

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Not only MFactory, and not only to DE. "Lieferung in weitere Länder auf Anfrage."

That is totally unrelated. I'm sorry

This is german text, last changes were done 7 days ago: https://www.preisjaeger.at/deals/info-deal-mit-guteschein-allespost-deutschland-kommt-326987

I will translate it in my words.

Germany does not sell goods to Austria? Pay me cash so you get a german shipment address. We repack the order and send it to joo, for a fabulous fee of 20 burgers.

Note: There are more tricks and services. Preisjaeger is kinda trustworthy on those shaddy tricks.

Note: Just that these services exists - that there are pages and such how to deal with such stuff - is proof enough.

Mindfactory is an instantly do not buy shop. Same with alternate.de // Check the net about that topic.

edit: just saw #37 explain it very well also. - how that shipment works
 
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Intels terribly regressive architecture beats or matches amds top end in everything, gaming includes. The review from this very site shows the 285k being a better product (especially when it comes to efficiency) than the 9950x. And yet, marketing wins once again and amd sells more. What can you do.

It's slower than the 9950x in both games and productivity but close enough in the latter. In games, increase that difference because 24H2 wasn't tested as 285K had issues with it during launch. Subsequent testing at other sites revealed that the 285K didn't get any performance boost from it but AMD certainly did and it was pretty significant, more so than the patches and updates intel brought to the 285K.

The other problem is it regressed in gaming performance to the prior generation quite significantly as 7950x3d/14900k are easily faster in gaming while being close enough in productivity. So instead of moving the needle forward, they took a step forward and a step back. That's reflected in the sales numbers, the DIY numbers are pretty bad. They're doing everything they can to push it to SI's though at heavily discounted prices.

If by marketing you mean Intel's bad press for the 285K and all, they brought it upon themselves.
 
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This is a real BLESSING for the users. Intel has been caught in shenanigans for decades, it is actually a miracle that AMD survives after all the anti-competitve programs directed against its operations.
In general terms, I agree with you - in fact, I've been purchasing AMD for 20 years - both CPU and GPU (starting with Athlon 64 and ATI Radeon). But is now crystal clear that what we THINK we were seeing with Intel (14 nm process production over and over and over, no competition whatsoever, etc.), is nothing compared to what AMD and Nvidia are doing.
I mean, during the old intel-days, have you ever seen a "gaming CPU" (like 3770K, 4770k, 7700k, etc.) sold with the marketing BS of the "demand-larger-than-supply"? Because the 9800X3D - a simple 8 core - il sold at scalper-price, IF you can find IT.
Intel NEVER did something like that, even when was dominating the market.
 
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I find it weird that reports are always from this one store and always give 90%+ sales for AMD chips while I have contacts in distribution, and it doesn't look anything close in many other places.
Sure. Give us numbers from other places.
 
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It's slower than the 9950x in both games and productivity but close enough in the latter. In games, increase that difference because 24H2 wasn't tested as 285K had issues with it during launch. Subsequent testing at other sites revealed that the 285K didn't get any performance boost from it but AMD certainly did and it was pretty significant, more so than the patches and updates intel brought to the 285K.

The other problem is it regressed in gaming performance to the prior generation quite significantly as 7950x3d/14900k are easily faster in gaming while being close enough in productivity. So instead of moving the needle forward, they took a step forward and a step back. That's reflected in the sales numbers, the DIY numbers are pretty bad. They're doing everything they can to push it to SI's though at heavily discounted prices.

If by marketing you mean Intel's bad press for the 285K and all, they brought it upon themselves.
Feels like you and @Vayra86 are not looking at the reviews, im using the data provided by TPU. The 285k is faster and more efficient (a lot) in ST workloads, as fast as the 9950x in games (2% difference) while being a lot more efficient and matching the 9950x in MT performance and efficiency. There is nothing that the 9950x is better at.

Anyways, as i''ve said in my previous post, the same people that are buying 90% nvidia gpus are the same people buying 90% amd cpus.
 
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Feels like you and @Vayra86 are not looking at the reviews, im using the data provided by TPU. The 285k is faster and more efficient (a lot) in ST workloads, as fast as the 9950x in games (2% difference) while being a lot more efficient and matching the 9950x in MT performance and efficiency. There is nothing that the 9950x is better at.

Anyways, as i''ve said in my previous post, the same people that are buying 90% nvidia gpus are the same people buying 90% amd cpus.
I did. TPU's review:

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9950X is faster in both and as I said, you have to increase the gap in games because of 24H2. So it's clearly better at both, more so in games, so I have no idea what you mean by 9950X is not better at anything. 285K is more efficient and faster in ST workloads? Sure, not a new thing either. But your initial statement wasn't that.

Edit: Where are you getting the ' A lot more efficient in MT' from? That same review has the 9950X more efficient in MT workloads.
 
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Feels like you and @Vayra86 are not looking at the reviews, im using the data provided by TPU. The 285k is faster and more efficient (a lot) in ST workloads, as fast as the 9950x in games (2% difference) while being a lot more efficient and matching the 9950x in MT performance and efficiency. There is nothing that the 9950x is better at.

Anyways, as i''ve said in my previous post, the same people that are buying 90% nvidia gpus are the same people buying 90% amd cpus.
I am looking at the reviews, that's why your statements are so puzzling

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Only in ST, the 285k uses 10W less, or some 30% less which I agree is substantial. Now I'm curious what ST workloads you have that warrant that to be an argument here, using an i9 with 24 threads. Overall, these CPUs are quite the same in terms of power consumption. Even if you would certainly run more MT workloads where you'll easily lose the 10W you might have gained momentarily.

But the 9950x is not just the equal of the 285K (I think the only real differentiator here, is price of the whole platform/build), it also has 32 threads instead of 24, and 16 full fat cores instead of just 8. Intel is not faster, does not offer more to work with, and is not notably more efficient. So I can understand why people land at the 9950x for a build that needs to have lots of threads. After all, a review is not putting a varied continuous load on the CPU, but tests scenarios, and its clear the 285K will find its limits faster than a CPU that has 8 additional threads AND 8 additional cores that are fit for anything; an E core still isn't a fully functional core.

When it comes to a system for primarily just gaming, the 285K should not even be on your shopping list though.

And last, the incessant need to keep pulling every debate into your shitty little fanbase camp mentality is getting very tiring. We get it, you disagree with the way people look at things. Welcome to the world.
 
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Only in ST, the 285k uses 10W less, or some 30% less which I agree is substantial. Now I'm curious what ST workloads you have that warrant that to be an argument here, using an i9 with 24 threads. Overall, these CPUs are quite the same in terms of power consumption. Even if you would certainly run more MT workloads where you'll easily lose the 10W you might have gained momentarily.

But the 9950x is not just the equal of the 285K (I think the only real differentiator here, is price of the whole platform/build), it also has 32 threads instead of 24, and 16 full fat cores instead of just 8. Intel is not faster, does not offer more to work with, and is not notably more efficient. So I can understand why people land at the 9950x for a build that needs to have lots of threads. After all, a review is not putting a varied continuous load on the CPU, but tests scenarios, and its clear the 285K will find its limits faster than a CPU that has 8 additional threads AND 8 additional cores that are fit for anything; an E core still isn't a fully functional core.

When it comes to a system for primarily just gaming, the 285K should not even be on your shopping list though.

And last, the incessant need to keep pulling every debate into your shitty little fanbase camp mentality is getting very tiring. We get it, you disagree with the way people look at things. Welcome to the world.
None of what you said is different to what I said - although you forgot - besides the ST and idle efficiency, the 285 is also way more efficient in gaming (while performance is within margin of error).
 
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I find it weird that reports are always from this one store and always give 90%+ sales for AMD chips while I have contacts in distribution, and it doesn't look anything close in many other places.
I think they are the only one in the world that publishes such results.

The rest doesn’t.
Because this is the reality, 80-90% of all CPU sales are for AMD, Mindfactory, Amazon, etc. everywhere where the sales are reported, but this is DIY. Still Intel have 75% of the x86 CPU market share, thanks to its schemes and anti-competition practices forcing their trashes across all OEMs forcing them to not sell AMD and there we are, when the people have choice they choose AMD, only the most desperate fanboys or completely clueless fooled by the Intel's fanboys buy Intel.

Look at CES 2025, 90% of all gaming laptops are equipped with Arrow Lake, imagine how deep is the Intel's cartel to force the worst gaming CPU that is on par with 2022 Alder Lake in all these gaming laptops
Previous company I worked only bought Dell and by consequence intel. I tried to diversify the fleet with the introduction of some Lenovos with AMD and quickly was placed in a meeting with several vips who clearly were receiving some nice kickbacks from dell to keep all other vendors away.

And yes, intel is still bribing dell to ignore AMD. Even though, it looks like they ran out of money, since they apparently will be switching to AMD, per the CES keynote.

Yes, thats how bad AMD has it and why Intel is still alive.

But this still applies :D
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In general terms, I agree with you - in fact, I've been purchasing AMD for 20 years - both CPU and GPU (starting with Athlon 64 and ATI Radeon). But is now crystal clear that what we THINK we were seeing with Intel (14 nm process production over and over and over, no competition whatsoever, etc.), is nothing compared to what AMD and Nvidia are doing.
I mean, during the old intel-days, have you ever seen a "gaming CPU" (like 3770K, 4770k, 7700k, etc.) sold with the marketing BS of the "demand-larger-than-supply"? Because the 9800X3D - a simple 8 core - il sold at scalper-price, IF you can find IT.
Intel NEVER did something like that, even when was dominating the market.
Intel enjoys a huge production capacity, thanks to it's fabs. That's why you never seen "demand larger than supply" BS for it's CPUs. You can see it with the new graphics cards that are NOT produced in Intel's fabs, so Intel needs to wait in the line.
On the other hand AMD seems to be extremely conservative in how many units of a model it will produce. That's why they keep disappointing their investors. They don't seem to be able to take a risk and say "we expect this to sell well, let's build extra quantities and proved correct". Unfortunately this holds AMD back. AMD's financial results are usually spot on with what they announce and what most analysts expect and my belief is that is happening because as a company they are very conservative, very careful with how they will use their wafer supply. I don't believe selling a few batches of 9800X3D at $100 higher prices and losing the chance of selling double or triple those numbers, now especially that there is no Intel, makes much sense. You want people on AM5, as many as possibly, because this socket is here to stay for a few more years. They where probably saying "we expect the new Intel CPUs to sell well, so we expect to sell that many 9800X3Ds, let's not make more and end up with a huge inventory" so they probably didn't build enough to cover the extra demand. I believe that was their own excuse and it does sound like a honest reason, not like marketing BS. I don't think it is good marketing saying that your success is in part the result of someone else's failure. If you win a 100 meters race, because all of your opponents tripped, well, not much value in such win.
Also AMD has shown in the past that they can't really cover demand. They had problems with 5000 series success, they didn't manage to sell enough graphics cards, as Nvidia did, the period of the crypto mining craze, there where many rumors in the past that huge OEMs where not choosing AMD because AMD could not offer the quantities that companies like Dell for example wanted, so it wasn't always some Intel anticompetitive move, smaller manufacturers where coming out complaining that they weren't getting the full order of CPUs from AMD, that part of their order was delayed, now we see with 9800X3D supply constraints, in their previous financial they where saying that they couldn't even supply enough Instinct cards (which was the reason for the share price drop after their previous financial result), now we see them moving the 9070's closer to Nvidia's 5070 release date that looks like a suicidal move.
I don't think this is marketing BS. It's just fear of being in a situation of having a huge inventory that will have to be sold at much lower prices than expected. And unfortunately this is also the reason why AMD is not getting any bigger, it can't follow Nvidia's exploded success even by little.
 
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