The big issue I see that no one is touched on dovetails with the Steam surveys. The "most popular" GPU's and systems are not a powerful as you might think, even though more games are needing higher hardware for native. How many of those are using upscaling in order just to play the game. Using native or higher levels just isn't an option.
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Upscaling Beats Native Resolution 55-45 in TechPowerUp Frontpage Survey
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8K native performance is gonna be pretty fucking raw, that’s true.
People that run popular Steam hardware tend to be, actually, more reasonable and realistic than the madness we see in our enthusiasts circles. Playing medium-high with some DLSS on their “unusable and shit” 8Gb 4060s is fine by them. Not everyone is autistically putting all sliders on “Ultra Nightmare Epic Overkill” and then sits glued to the RTSS overlay to then shitpost on the forums about how anything below 4090 is dogshit (unless AMD). Most people are just vibing playing games.
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Based off the hardware specs of these GPU's, even the 3060(ti), and looking at the visuals of these games, I think what is actually happening is that developers are f'ing lazy. Games are simply not optimized and upscalers seem to be a nice little band-aid.
But I have to question the merit here a bit. Using an upscaler at 1080p looks like a mess. They seem to work better at the 2k at the very least, but mostly 4k. But you shouldn't have 'jaggies' at those resolutions if your monitor is below 29''. The pixel density would be insane.
It would be even more intreresting to see what users of different GPU SKUs actually do in this regard.
It feels like users of lower SKUs are somewhat forced to use upscaling to compensate for the weakness of those cards.
It would be great to carry out a follow up poll and make a break down on different cards.
I use 7900XTX and have never felt any need to use upscaling in 4K gameplay.
But, in another system there is 6800XT and there is need to use upscaling.
It feels like users of lower SKUs are somewhat forced to use upscaling to compensate for the weakness of those cards.
It would be great to carry out a follow up poll and make a break down on different cards.
I use 7900XTX and have never felt any need to use upscaling in 4K gameplay.
But, in another system there is 6800XT and there is need to use upscaling.
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Subjective and mostly a kneejerk reaction boosted by social media.
It's better to think of developers like artists. They're always interested in honing their craft and making their game look as great as possible - within resource budgets dictated by consoles - they're just funded and directed by corporations. Because that's what a studio is when managed by a AAA publisher.
What they want to do (perfect it forever like Kojima) and what they're allowed to do (release on this deadline no matter what) are completely different things.
I am aware of Threat Interactive, but "Optimization" is another term thrown around on social media without understanding what it entails. Notice how it only entered the lexicon as consoles got more PC-like?
Optimization is being referenced like a magic spell. Not everything that can be optimized is affordable to do or worth the ROI to the publisher. When it happens, its like how Frostbite has been optimized for Veilguard and now future uses will be more impressive.
I hope that TI guy uses his 'tism to fix PC graphics with his upcoming game though. I truly wish him well. Upscalers are a nice tool that I agree is a nice band-aid for lower spec GPUs.
I wouldn't underestimate what people who are used to console-quality graphics/framerates will call high quality. Remember some people can't see the difference between 30 and 60fps.
If Steam surveys say most people are using 3060s, I'd bet money they're used to prior-gen games which have great graphics and find modern-gen games with upscaling acceptable. I would expect no less from those who have yet to experience exceptional.
The only way to push technology forward is to use it. Remember when clouds sucked because skyboxes? Horizon Forbidden West says hi.
I'd rather have upscalers than not. I look forward to seeing what they can do, especially given their progress so far.
What upscaling has "replaced" isn't locked away forever. I hope more studios make games like we got in 2018/2019. Thankfully Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is a thing.
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The super sampling in DLSS comes from the fact that the algorithm is trained using images at extremely high resolutions (16K, I believe).
Obviously it's marketing, but I don't see it as a problem, unlike saying that frame generation increases performance.
I don't see a case where I wouldn't use DLSS anymore. I play on a 4K TV, so even DLSS2 Quality looked amazing and better than native TAA (especially in terms of distant detail). With the new transformer model, even Performance mode looks indistinguishable from DLAA to my eyes during gameplay. I'd use it to lower power consumption even if I had enough performance to spare.
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