Chinese Mature Nodes Undercut Western Silicon Pricing, to Capture up to 28% of the Market This Year

[AusWolf]

You would be 100% right, if you weren't talking about someone who had spent the better part of a thread about Rockstar railing against the capitalistic systems which created the stupid americans.

My point is that, in this instance, hiding behind the "it's not black or white" shield is like trying to use a colander as your rain protection...because this thread is not created in a vacuum.


If somebody, other than the person who said this, had made the point and not immediately stated China was going to beat the west we'd have something to discuss. If they hadn't quoted a puff piece that was put out by China saying how they were A number 1, while their own people said their crap was not as desirable as imports, then we'd have a discussion. If I was stupid enough to hate on Vietnam or Taiwan, because instead of having an outlook on governance I just really hated asians...presumably because I was a racist, though it might just be perceived cultural superiority, then we'd have a discussion.


Unfortunately, it's none of these. It's someone who has made their opinion clear, is willing to call out the other side, and should in turn be able to justify themselves when their second statement is calling me a racist. Yeah...it's not about me being some backwards racist, it's about me being frustrated with a double dealing bunch of jerks who are using communism as a shield for being weasels, who steal from people they call their enemies. These same people are the ones who made it possible to suddenly have a 28% market share, and 0% of that is on something better than commodity goods, which will kill the market for anybody trying to grow like they were allowed to, because they won't be able to compete without the same extortionate government grants that allow for dumping...which is to simply say that the west is finally waking up to this crap. But cool...now my smart device can be connected to my wifi and use malicious backdoors built directly in the chip to share my data, rather than just getting hacked, to save me a few cents that will likely just get given back to whatever consortium buys up these poisoned apples.

You must be seeing some context that I don't. I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I was merely agreeing with one post.

Capitalism sucks because it rewards jerks. That said, I love it. This is the same as loving free speech means you also have to accept Nazis and supremacists...because with all good there must come bad. That said I also think for its flaws, our protected capitalism is the best we can do right now...because while it produces human smears that have spent decades failing upwards, it also occasionally does things like make Yves Guillemot pay for their stupidity. Sometimes that has to be enough...

Let's not get started on free speech. I come from a country that had a massive state censorship from WW2 up to 1990, and still suffers its consequences today. It's not nice. I'd much rather choose freedom of speech and put up with the extremes than that shit. I firmly believe that there is no right or wrong opinion as long as no one gets harmed. Opinions don't harm people - actions do.

 

[Vayra86]

That article is wholly incorrect. The problem is not that the PRC cannot make sufficiently high-quality ball bearings, it's simply that it's cheaper for them to import those bearings from Japan than it is to produce them locally, so they don't bother producing them locally. This is how globalism works.


I didn't bemoan Valve's actions, merely pointed out that claiming they are acting out of altruistic is dishonest, because there is no altruism in capitalism.

As for the PRC's disregard of intellectual property, I don't like it, but then I don't like the bulls**t that is patent law either. The notion that a piece of knowledge can somehow be controlled by a single party, solely because they were the first to register their discovery of said knowledge, is a nonsensical capitalist construct that's an anathema of science and progress.

Did you know even the mighty US imports high quality steel from Tata in Netherlands? It is a grade of steel they are incapable of making. Incapable as in, they would have to spend and invest for many years to have that capability domestically. So yes, its cheaper... but time is a critical factor. Similarly, look at chip production in China. Sure they can make low nm- chips. But the cost and yields of it are not economically viable. ASML machinery similarly uses lenses and other key components that simply arent produced anywhere other than with their partner suppliers.

Do the math.. its not just about cost. Its about capability and vulnerability of industries and as a result, economies.