AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Outperforms RTX 5080 Through Undervolting

[ratirt]

Vocal AMD supporter and Radeon buyer and GeForce naysayer believes GeForce equivalent product (or higher tier) not worth it, more news at 10.

What a dishonest thing to say. Attacking someone and calling him a supporter like it is something bad? I support those who offer more for less. I find AMD to be exactly that at this point. I dont think it is about nayseyer to anything. It is about calling out a company that charges more for less. If you think that the 5080 price is OK buy it but people may disagree with you on that matter and it is not due to hating NV. The fact is at this moment, you can get the 9070XT for almost half the price and it is very close to 5080. Saying, AMD's should be embarrassing for charging lower is crazy the least. You simply want AMD to charge more for GPU's so that NV pricing and offers don't look bad. That is crazy.

 

[Naito]

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA

AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.

www.techpowerup.com

I was hoping over a suite of games, but probably not worth the effort

@docnorth Yeah, but there is a caveat. TPU will try to optimise both AMD and Nvidia (as it should), I”m not sure everyone expects this.

I'm not the interested in seeing OC comparison between vendors, but rather how the card performs against its OC self. One could probably extrapolate the performance gain from the OC section of the review, but each game performs differently. Same may respond in a positive manner, perhaps some worse?

 

[Bomby569]

You have to be very brave to play with GPU voltage and clock to void the warranty.

Then the people who bought it will be crying because they saw that it is safe to do

that's less voltage, not more, it could make it last longer not the other way around. They don't know you did it unless you tell them

 

[Vayra86]

At least going by Vega, Navi II, and Navi III (I never had a Navi I card), there's *way more* at play than meets the eye.

For example: I can 'push' my 7900 XTX to clock to 3.1Ghz+, fairly easy. It may even play a given game or stress test for hours without issue. BUT, one alt-tab out, a new overlay onscreen, or just closing the game, and the card crashes (as its trying to rapidly change clock/voltage states).

There's good reason AMD's cards are 'overvolted' out of the box.
It's the only way *currently* to guarantee a card is stable across all the dynamic points in the Power/Heat/Clock curve(s). Consequently, it *appears* that there's a lot of headroom when there really isn't.

That, and far more of influence is what kind of load you're running in terms of RT, upscaling etc.
Are you or are you not using those AI cores... basically. That is why it LOOKS like there is a lot of voltage headroom... until you try running that undervolt on something like PT Black Myth Wukong, and it won't run past the first few seconds of the intro movie.

On my 7900XT I ended up changing the undervolt from 1025mv to 1075mv from its factory stock 1100mv, or it simply is not stable with RT - EVEN if you clock limit the card to something stupid like 2300mhz.

 

[londiste]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the chip might be stable in games x/y/z and then completely crash and burn in games a/b/c. Stability isn't a constant and different workloads will stress different components of a chip and they might not all always be stable with an undervolt.

This. If you want to use weird things like RT or DLSS/FSR(4) it also gets quite a bit worse as different units in GPUs tend to react differently to lower voltages. Undervolting is easy enough for a single game-application but as soon as you use multiple stability testing becomes quite painful.

 

[Vayra86]

It's awesome and has happened more than once in the past too, go the cards that can be tweaked up a good amount to touch a higher tier (for those willing to tweak them)! I never considered it embarrassing for the higher model that they approach though, just cool that it's possible, more of a good on your for putting in the legwork and risk to tweak, and if you want the higher tier stock performance you pay for it, rather than fancifying some notion of embarrassment for the higher tier product.

Felt like for multiple generations in a row the 70 class could overclock to the 80 class and they had large price disparities, it was borderline expected.


Vocal AMD supporter and Radeon buyer and GeForce naysayer believes GeForce equivalent product (or higher tier) not worth it, more news at 10.

Yeah these generations its really all business as usual and this 9070XT isn't special at all in that situation huh, offering what it does related to its competition?

Man, sometimes you're so out there I can't even... its like you are struggling with your own Nvidia bias, you know it, and yet you can't stop it. Hilarious. And now you're going to deny this is happening to you, and you're truly a fair arbiter, right? You made a few false equations here to seem like you are.

Numbers don't lie. People do - mostly to themselves, ironically.
There is but one thing left for you, be the bigger man and admit it. Its fine and you can be who you want to be. Just be honest about it - especially to yourself. The rest knows what's going on already.

 

[londiste]

I'm a vocal bullshit rejecter. If you tell me that a card is worth 66% more money for 10% more performance, I'm calling bullshit...

This is high-end where price/perf has never been at its peak. Also, you should take a look at for example TPU performance graphs. 5080 is 16% faster at 1440p and 21% faster at 2160p compared to the tested 9070XT which is already a pretty nicely overclocked model (Igor's lab estimated the performance on it was 6% higher than stock). Stock for stock, 25% or so is a relatively proper difference for the next segment, no?

 

[Vayra86]

This is high-end where price/perf has never been at its peak. Also, you should take a look at for example TPU performance graphs. 5080 is 16% faster at 1440p and 21% faster at 2160p compared to the tested 9070XT which is already a pretty nicely overclocked model (Igor's lab estimated the performance on it was 6% higher than stock).

Really you don't need any OC results on this card to decide its a much better bang/buck offering than a 5080, and given how close it is to your supposed 'high end where price/perf isn't at its peak' (something that has changed for a few generations now, since x60 and below is just far too expensive and actually going down harder in perf/$ to make the upsell in a higher tier!), it doesn't change the dynamic here at all: the 9070XT offers leagues more performance relatively than a 5080 and isn't brutally far away from it in raw performance either.

You'll play the same stuff at the same res on either card and perhaps on the 9070XT you'll knock a slider from ultra to very high. There is no real differentiator here other than price.

 

[londiste]

the 9070XT offers leagues more performance relatively than a 5080 and isn't brutally far away from it in raw performance either.

That has pretty much always been the case. x70 card is close enough to x80 and costs a lot more less than what the performance drop is.

 

[Vayra86]

That has pretty much always been the case. x70 card is close enough to x80 and costs a lot more less.

WTF are you talking about, there is no 9080XT.
There is a 5080 but on the Blackwell stack this whole thing doesn't even remotely apply. We never did that kind of cross comparison between vendors. We applied that principle comparing say, a GTX 670 to a GTX 680 or a 7950 to a 7970.

 

[londiste]

WTF are you talking about, there is no 9080XT.
There is a 5080 but on the Blackwell stack this whole thing doesn't even remotely apply.

There is 5070Ti which is in the same class as 9070XT. At least when performance is concerned.
We'll have to wait and see if Ada stack gets price corrections after 9070 launch.

 

[Vayra86]

There is 5070Ti which is in the same class as 9070XT. At least when performance is concerned.
We'll have to wait and see if Ada stack gets price corrections after 9070 launch.

Yeah... and this topic and the comparison discussed is with a 5080, where the gap is tremendous even without applying OC results that you chose to downplay a few posts earlier as being not quite impressive. Even if you take the worst case scenario the 9070XT is priced in a whole other league given its performance and how close it gets to a 5080.

In a very roundabout way, we can just be honest to each other too and conclude the 5080 is far too expensive, and the 9070XT is the far better option. Seems hard to swallow for some apparently but that is all we have here.

/thread

 

[londiste]

5080 is far too expensive and 9070XT is better option for price/performance. That doesn't make the particular OC result that much more impressive.
Either way, 9070XT is nice and we have some competition at long last.

 

[AusWolf]

This is high-end where price/perf has never been at its peak. Also, you should take a look at for example TPU performance graphs. 5080 is 16% faster at 1440p and 21% faster at 2160p compared to the tested 9070XT which is already a pretty nicely overclocked model (Igor's lab estimated the performance on it was 6% higher than stock). Stock for stock, 25% or so is a relatively proper difference for the next segment, no?

Overclocking on a 9070 XT is like lipstick on a pig: it does absolutely nothing, your card will only consume 10-15% more power for maybe 2% performance. Maybe. If you're lucky.

And... no. 25% is not a "relatively proper difference" for a 66% higher price. I'm not buying the "but it's high end, it's normal there" argument, either.

There is 5070Ti which is in the same class as 9070XT. At least when performance is concerned.
We'll have to wait and see if Ada stack gets price corrections after 9070 launch.

Even the 5070 Ti is insanely more expensive than the 9070 XT. Even after the recent price jump (because the 5070 Ti jumped, too).

Yeah these generations its really all business as usual and this 9070XT isn't special at all in that situation huh, offering what it does related to its competition?

Man, sometimes you're so out there I can't even... its like you are struggling with your own Nvidia bias, you know it, and yet you can't stop it. Hilarious. And now you're going to deny this is happening to you, and you're truly a fair arbiter, right? You made a few false equations here to seem like you are.

Numbers don't lie. People do - mostly to themselves, ironically.
There is but one thing left for you, be the bigger man and admit it. Its fine and you can be who you want to be. Just be honest about it - especially to yourself. The rest knows what's going on already.

I bet that conversation looks something like this for an outsider:

A: Buy Nvidia, it's better.
B: How much better?
A: 15% better.
B: And the price?
A: This much.
B: Doesn't it make it 66% more expensive than AMD?
A: Yes, but it's better.
B: But if it's only 15% better while 66% more expensive, then it's a lot worse value, isn't it?
A: SHUT YER GOB, AND JUST BUY THE FUCKING CARD, DAMMIT!!!!

 

[Hecate91]

Vocal AMD supporter and Radeon buyer and GeForce naysayer believes GeForce equivalent product (or higher tier) not worth it, more news at 10.

Vocal Nvidia supporter and Geforce buyer and AMD naysayer refuses to accept the fact that the 9070XT is better price/performance than a 5070Ti, while outperforming a 5080.
Attacking someone and calling them a "supporter" is disingenuous, having a cheaper product is a good thing for the market, but Geforce buyers are getting quite defensive over a GPU being better price to performance than the competition. It's funny because the Geforce buyers wanted AMD to compete, now that they are the Geforce buyers can't seem to handle their beloved team green looking like the greedy corporation that they really are charging $1000+ for an x70Ti card.
And wanting AMD to charge more so Nvidia doesn't look so bad is completely delusional.

 

[AusWolf]

5080 is far too expensive and 9070XT is better option for price/performance. That doesn't make the particular OC result that much more impressive.

No, it doesn't. It only makes Nvidia look like a bunch of clowns.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Cmon guys, this thread isn't about Nvidia as a whole and I think we can lay off the tag teaming here, even if wolf did overstep the mark a little. I don't think he meant to give it too much malice.

Play nice please.

Think that was my first piece of moderating. Shit AMD must have made a decent Radeon!

 

[dyonoctis]

That's embarrassing... For Nvidia.

Bold of you to assume that Nvidia can feel shame. Jensen is sleeping soundly at night thinking of all those people willing to pay that price to get that 16 % perf without tweaking. A tiny price drop might be a consideration if he feels generous.

although the market is so effed up right now, some retailers don't really know how they should actually price the 5080. That prime is looking suspiciously unavailable unlike that soon-to-be-in-stock 9070 nitro

 

[wolf]

I'll play nice because Outback Bronze has very reasonably summed this up, we don't all have a cheer squad I spose, but if people (you know who you are) think their own biases and double standards aren't on show, then they need a reality check too.

9070XT is a banger, I've literally said this, you can quote me saying it if you search. In fact, if I was buying for myself it's what I would've bought. It competes with a 5070ti, which also overclocks similarly. A 5080 sits ahead in a teir of its own, and also overclocks similarly. If you're a buyer willing to overclock, and could get any at MSRP, the buy is between a 9070XT and a 5070ti, simple.

9070XT is better price/performance than a 5070Ti, while outperforming a 5080

I'd be interested to see apples to apples comparisons where this is true, or does one get to be overclocked and the other cannot?

Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[jmcosta]

I'll play nice because Outback Bronze has very reasonably summed this up, we don't all have a cheer squad I spose, but if people (you know who you are) think their own biases and double standards aren't on show, then they need a reality check too.

9070XT is a banger, I've literally said this, you can quote me saying it if you search. In fact, if I was buying for myself it's what I would've bought. It competes with a 5070ti, which also overclocks similarly. A 5080 sits ahead in a teir of its own, and also overclocks similarly. If you're a buyer willing to overclock, and could get any at MSRP, the buy is between a 9070XT and a 5070ti, simple.


I'd be interested to see apples to apples comparisons where this is true, or does one get to be overclocked and the other cannot?

Both cards are in the same league, in some games the 5070ti plays better while in others 9070xt takes the lead

Spoiler

The only downside is the price and its always been like that with nvidia but that also comes with benefits.
and i agree, comparing cards oc'd vs stock is just dumb
The 5080 oc'd gets a massive bump in games too, in linear to the 4090

 

[Bomby569]

Both cards are in the same league, in some games the 5070ti plays better while in others 9070xt takes the lead

Spoiler

The only downside is the price and its always been like that with nvidia but that also comes with benefits.
and i agree, comparing cards oc'd vs stock is just dumb
The 5080 oc'd gets a massive bump in games too, in linear to the 4090

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-rtx5070ti-16g-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-gddr7/p/N82E16814126757

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-tuf-rx9070xt-o16g-gaming-amd-radeon-rx-9070-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814126745

the price difference is not that great, 50usd, assuming you could buy either one of them off course

 

[Vayra86]

Overclocking on a 9070 XT is like lipstick on a pig: it does absolutely nothing, your card will only consume 10-15% more power for maybe 2% performance. Maybe. If you're lucky.

And... no. 25% is not a "relatively proper difference" for a 66% higher price. I'm not buying the "but it's high end, it's normal there" argument, either.


Even the 5070 Ti is insanely more expensive than the 9070 XT. Even after the recent price jump (because the 5070 Ti jumped, too).


I bet that conversation looks something like this for an outsider:

A: Buy Nvidia, it's better.
B: How much better?
A: 15% better.
B: And the price?
A: This much.
B: Doesn't it make it 66% more expensive than AMD?
A: Yes, but it's better.
B: But if it's only 15% better while 66% more expensive, then it's a lot worse value, isn't it?
A: SHUT YER GOB, AND JUST BUY THE FUCKING CARD, DAMMIT!!!!

Yeah some people seem to miss the point you can't deny logic, I guess its a popular zeitgeist thing, looking at the US. Logic, like a fact, just is. Of course, Nvidia is trying hard to erect smoke and mirrors to make us believe there is a whole other world of secret green performance in their products, and for a short while in time, occasionally, this feels like its true. Until logic peeks around the corner, and a GPU with bad price/perf simply also is just that, and 375W is not 600W, to name another example of denying logic.

I think AMD made a great move boosting that RT perf, because now its extremely hard to get lost in the green mist, and the truth starts to show. Even to those trying very hard to apply their denial to logic that's been set in stone for many decades now.

 

[wolf]

What a dishonest thing to say. Attacking someone and calling him a supporter like it is something bad?

Sorry had you on ignore and missed this. I thought it was rather honest not dishonest, and I didn't say it was bad, but relevant context to the opinion expressed (that Nvidia would somehow be embarrassed) which was more a fanciful wishful notion displaying bias, than anything actually happening. I love that Radeon is more competitive than it has been in years, and the value is decent! I make no secret that I also believe GeForce to be the more premium brand with more premium features that do command a higher price, just ask 9 out of 10 GPU buyers. I also comment when I see what I believe to be double standards or certain purposefully agitational remarks and I tend to do it in a provocative way.

and i agree, comparing cards oc'd vs stock is just dumb

It really is. At best it's a fun fact for people willing to tweak, and at worst it serves to stoke ego stroking tribal nonsense.

 

[Vayra86]

It really is. At best it's a fun fact for people willing to tweak, and at worst it serves to stoke ego stroking tribal nonsense.

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I can agree on that, the whole idea that an OC suddenly increases a cards' value is utter bullshit and always was, it requires a mere two brain cells to figure that out obviously.

But that's not the point underneath this news article. The point underneath (that people were making in this topic, and not the way you memed it up here) is that the value of that 9070XT relative to its actual performance AND its price is insanely good, compared to a 5080. Fact is, not even half a tier down in Nvidia's stack will you find something competitive against it at its price.

So yeah, goes to show the power of perspective; where some are actively looking to downplay what's highly competitive against Nvidia, and others are trying to get past that schoolyard nonsense.

9070XT is a banger, I've literally said this, you can quote me saying it if you search. In fact, if I was buying for myself

Mate, your specs say you've just got your hands on a... lo and behold, totally unexpected! Drum rolll..... 5080.
So here you are downplaying anything that nips at its heels for nearly (or really) half the price

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Bold of you to assume that Nvidia can feel shame. Jensen is sleeping soundly at night thinking of all those people willing to pay that price to get that 16 % perf without tweaking. A tiny price drop might be a consideration if he feels generous.
although the market is so effed up right now, some retailers don't really know how they should actually price the 5080. That prime is looking suspiciously unavailable unlike that soon-to-be-in-stock 9070 nitro
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you wanna know the stupid part ? VAT and shipping included, I got a White Mercury Magnetic Air for less than that from a UK retailer
EU prices are fucked, now I know why they Brits went through with the Brexit :troley:

Jokes aside, getting juiced up performance through massive undervolting and PL boosting and nothing else is amazing, genuinely makes me wonder if that's AMD sandbagging performance or if no one at AMD or their AIB partners even thought of undervolting it and just focused on conventionally OCing the shit out of it

Also, what's going on with Dual vBIOS models ??? PowerColor's and XFX's seem to ship with virtually identical vBIOSes, why ?? Did they lack time to prepare a silent/OC vBIOS ?? Will they release vBIOS editors ?