RTX 5080 worth it over 5070 TI for 4k?

[feifei]

So, the main question is that ^. First of all, I'm currently a 1080p player, and I aim to play 4k with variable refresh rate (60 fps minimum).

In my country i see a 35-40% price increase from the cheapest 5070 ti to the cheapest 5080 and I know the performance increase is just 10-12%, but I question myself if that's what would make it 4k viable if the 5070 TI wasn't.

I'm okay with making use of DLSS features (not so much x3 and x4 FG, that looks kinda bad IMO).

Another qustion I have is for how long would the 5080 be 4k viable, I'm okay with lowering settings to medium in most games as long as I keep 60 fps going. I would like to keep it until 7000 series unless the future 6080 gets +50% performance.

Also, if the 5070 ti is not capable, and the 5080 is but only for the short term, sould I go 5070 ti + 1440p?

Monitor budget is not a problem as I see it as a long term purchase.

 

[Vya Domus]

Technically 5080 has worse perf/dollar so I guess not.

 

[Scattergrunt]

The 5070Ti does well with 4k, comparable to a 4080 at 4k, so I'd probably just compare pricing for you.

As for how long the 5080 will stay 4k, 60 FPS? Considering how the 3080 fared, at least two gens, but probably more because of NVIDIA's gen uplift declining ALOT outside of xx90 cards (though the 60 series could be better for gen uplift, who knows), the 5080 was literally a 5090 cut in half pretty much for the most part in terms of specs

The 5070Ti can do 4k well right now, and will probably be able too next gen. As for the gen after, who knows.

They're both within ~10% of each other, you might as well get a 5070Ti super for better price to performance overall & the fact its so close to the 5080 anyway

5070Ti can do 4k @ 60FPS for most games, and would expect that to remain the case for a new generation unless the newer generations after this AMD and NVIDIA one are somehow insane generational uplift. I don't expect it though honestly.

 

[aths]

I recommend 1440p at 27". The sweet spot. Considerably less pixels than 4K, but resolution is good enough, as is the size. 5070 Ti would serve you for quite some time.

 

[Macro Device]

These are 1440p results for 5070 Ti at maximum non-raytraced settings:

And this is about as much as you'll get with DLSS Balanced or Performance at 4K. Lowering settings will boost your performance even further, most games have Ultra indistinguishable from High in real action, sometimes even Medium goes as great. And this is another good third or even half FPS more. In the most demanding games, you might go for 3200x1800 and DLSS P and it still will look at least none worse than 1440p + DLSS Q, also providing very playable framerate.

Since you've mentioned you don't like frame generation you'd better find a deal on a 4080 or 4080 Super on second hand market if you have enough reasons to trust the sellers or at least good buyer's protection. These GPUs are generally none slower than 5070 Ti, also cheaper (at least where I live they are) and don't come with disabled ROPs or other unwanted stuff. If 5070 Ti is cheaper then what the heck, go for it.

NB: I absolutely hate the current market situation and generally don't want people to buy ANY GPU. NO MATTER WHO MADE IT, INTEL, AMD, OR NVIDIA. Wait till MSRPs become real and then buy a GPU for reasonable money if that's an option. I myself stick to my 6700 XT despite hating almost everything about it: I don't wanna be any part of this price hike enabling. You do you of course.

P.S. With how obscenely cheap displays are nowadays I don't see any reason to go 1440p. Literally everything that's not gaming sucks at 1440p and rocks at 2160p.

 

[_roman_]

It seems you want to keep the graphic card longer. I would buy a good 5080 modell. You have limited choices anyway with 4k resolution and "nvidia".

you may have shared which purchase country and how much your budget is. How the other components of your components are.

 

[feifei]

These are 1440p results for 5070 Ti at maximum non-raytraced settings:
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And this is about as much as you'll get with DLSS Balanced or Performance at 4K. Lowering settings will boost your performance even further, most games have Ultra indistinguishable from High in real action, sometimes even Medium goes as great. And this is another good third or even half FPS more. In the most demanding games, you might go for 3200x1800 and DLSS P and it still will look at least none worse than 1440p + DLSS Q, also providing very playable framerate.

Since you've mentioned you don't like frame generation you'd better find a deal on a 4080 or 4080 Super on second hand market if you have enough reasons to trust the sellers or at least good buyer's protection. These GPUs are generally none slower than 5070 Ti, also cheaper (at least where I live they are) and don't come with disabled ROPs or other unwanted stuff. If 5070 Ti is cheaper then what the heck, go for it.

NB: I absolutely hate the current market situation and generally don't want people to buy ANY GPU. NO MATTER WHO MADE IT, INTEL, AMD, OR NVIDIA. Wait till MSRPs become real and then buy a GPU for reasonable money if that's an option. I myself stick to my 6700 XT despite hating almost everything about it: I don't wanna be any part of this price hike enabling. You do you of course.

P.S. With how obscenely cheap displays are nowadays I don't see any reason to go 1440p. Literally everything that's not gaming sucks at 1440p and rocks at 2160p.

LOVE the strong opinions on this one. I also think im better off investing directly into a great 4k display. But, as for the GPUs performance, having to rely on DLSS features and non ultra settings in some titles already tells me that either of these will struggle in the near future with games like The Witcher 4 (which is the game im most excited for) and upcomming UE5 games.

The prices may go down over time but I think the gap between these will mostly remain the same, so I thought i'm better off asking the questions now to better plan for it.

Either way, I do think that both these GPUs REALLY SUCK. The gen performance uplift is so meaningless compares to how game could advance in the near future, long gone are the +40% uplifts.

Even tho im willing to spend the cost of RTX 5080, I still have my doubts if it will meet the experience I want from my desired games, knowing that these cards will probably go down as the worse generation to spend money on, and that just feels AWFUL

As for the 4080s, they all got wiped out as soon as 50 serries hitted the stores here. AMD remains not an option since the 9070xt has the same price as a 5070ti and that's a HARD SELL and a BIG NO for me.

It seems you want to keep the graphic card longer. I would buy a good 5080 modell. You have limited choices anyway with 4k resolution and "nvidia".

you may have shared which purchase country and how much your budget is. How the other components of your components are.

It really feels like 4k is just not a ones reach, even tho we are already on the 5000s series of graphics cards.

Sadly, here in Argentina AMD cards are overpriced on the mid to high end, with 9070xt cards having the same price as 5070ti (crazy bad purchase imo).

As for budget, I can stretch for a 5080, after all, gaming is my biggest passion. But I also want to buy a new phone, an M4 macbook for work, etc. I just don't know if:

1) the price difference is justified for 4k
2) the performance of both cards is even enough for 4k (talking specially about the really expensive 5080 here)

 

[Epaminombas]

For 4K, you need at least an RTX 4090 or 5080 5090.

But I would buy a 2.5k UltraWide Curved monitor. Much better than a 4K

 

[Scattergrunt]

For 4K, you need at least an RTX 4090 or 5080 5090.

You can make a argument against the ones I pointed out but the rest can do 4k @ 60Fps with either minimal tweaks or no tweaking on TPU's averages. Anything above a 7900XT can definitely do 4k, no questions asked IMO (for now anyway.)

 

[Werwulf]

The 5080 has quite a lot of juice left from stock. I got an extra 11% performance while only at 80% power draw (~290w)

The 5070ti is better value for sure but at 4K you need every shred of performance so really, how much money do you want to toss into a GPU.

 

[mama]

I'm pretty sure you can't buy either of these cards. If you can, you'd pay a stupid price.

 

[Hereticbar]

I'm pretty sure you can't buy either of these cards. If you can, you'd pay a stupid price.

It really depends a lot on the country you are in, unlike the RTX 5090 the lower tier cards are relatively easy to find in a lot of places in Asia Pacific region.

Of course, whether they are selling at a stupid price or not has to depend on how you look at it. Even during normal times, the prices for graphics cards in these places tend to be a lot higher than the United States.

 

[cou60]

i have an 4090, and that not enough for 4k , only the 5090 can do 4K with ease.

5070 TI or 5080, you will have to compromise and or use DLSS

 

[mb194dc]

If you tweak settings slightly, any top card from 3080 gen on on will do 4k60 easily without RT... With all those pixels often there's little difference between high and ultra settings.

If you're using medium settings, don't even need that much power.

 

[kurosagi01]

The 5070ti performs similar to 4080/super at 4k, if your main use case is playing single player games with a frame rate limit of upto 120fps(I use a LG C1) then you would be fine with most titles.
The way game optimisation is going just expect a lot of DLSS/frame-gen/FSR use in modern games now.
If you can afford a 5080 then get a 5080, you will probably get an extra few frames and even last maybe an extra year.

 

[Zazigalka]

At msrp it might be, depends what they cost at retailers

 

[dgianstefani]

Bought a 3440x1440 34" WOLED recently, can play many games at 240 Hz. Would recommend over 4K if you can't afford a 5090.

 

[GrimReaper85]

5080 shouldn't be considered by anyone, it has worst value out of all cards. 10-12%, that is nothing. Plus it has 16 GB, this is not a 4+ year card.
And you can OC 5070 Ti by 12%.

I just don't get why so many people are buying it. But then again, many were buying 3080 10GB though everyone knew it will be obsolete in 2-4 years, and it really was end of 2022 when 4080 came out.

5080 would have to be 20-30% faster than 5070 Ti and have 20-24 GB VRAM to make sense.

 

[Rover4444]

5070 Ti and a 4k mid-refresh panel. If there's an OLED or local dimming one somewhere for cheap get that.

 

[bartekno]

I personally chose 5070ti over 5080 in scenario where i use my secondary pc with 4k tv 60hz. I am really happy with performance.

 

[mama]

It really depends a lot on the country you are in, unlike the RTX 5090 the lower tier cards are relatively easy to find in a lot of places in Asia Pacific region.

Of course, whether they are selling at a stupid price or not has to depend on how you look at it. Even during normal times, the prices for graphics cards in these places tend to be a lot higher than the United States.

I think you can recognise a stupid price when you see one.

 

[Frizz]

5080 so long as it's well behind a used 4090 in price which is the case in AU and makes it worth it imo.

 

[Dr. Dro]

For 4K, you need at least an RTX 4090 or 5080 5090.

But I would buy a 2.5k UltraWide Curved monitor. Much better than a 4K

You don't need any of these 3 cards for 4K gaming, anything ranging from 4070 Ti Super/7900 XT to 4080 Super/5080 and everything in between (4080, 5070 Ti, 9070, 9070 XT, 7900 XTX) will all play games at 4K masterfully. The 4090 and 5090 are a cut above and with a price to match, so unless you are really serious about your build, they aren't worth it, there's no value proposition there. I know, I bought one, could have paid for like a decent car, you know

 

[The-Architect]

5080 shouldn't be considered by anyone, it has worst value out of all cards. 10-12%, that is nothing. Plus it has 16 GB, this is not a 4+ year card.
And you can OC 5070 Ti by 12%.

I just don't get why so many people are buying it. But then again, many were buying 3080 10GB though everyone knew it will be obsolete in 2-4 years, and it really was end of 2022 when 4080 came out.

5080 would have to be 20-30% faster than 5070 Ti and have 20-24 GB VRAM to make sense.

This is my 5080 and its 36% faster.

 

[alwayssts]

Nothing out in the market right now (under a 4090) is going to make for a great 4k card long-term if you like your games pretty (with higher-end settings and RT) and with what I would consider a decent FR.

5080 is not a 4k card (long-term), look at Assassin's Creed (mins with or w/o RT at 4k, including up-scaling to 4k), or many others.
It's mins are under the VRR range (48hz), and it will not get better with age. 1440pRT very similar story. It's going to be close now, and get worse (as specs increase for 1080p->4k up-scaling on next-gen consoles).
Those next-gen consoles will likely be just *slightly* faster than a 5080 with a lot more ram. nVIDIA is doing that on purpose, bc they know people don't know that (yet), or what that means.

The point of the matter is that it really doesn't make a lot of sense to go above 1440p rn, and this from a guy that uses a 4k OLED to game (at mostly 1440p->4k up-scaling, sometimes 1080p->4k).

The card that will give you that experience (1440p native raster and 'quality' upscaling RT) is a 9070 xt. Above that literally isn't going to be great long-term for high-end games. As I've said before, it's a racket.

Nobody wants to sell that card (yet), meaning 1440pRT->4k upscaling and keeping 60fps (or even long-term 48fps) because they know people won't upgrade for a long, long time.

So, personally, I wait. You do you but I don't think you'll be happy going this route. I would buy a 9070 xt and a decent 1440p monitor.

IMHO 6080 will be the card you (and I, or the Radeon alternative) want. It's not about 50% more performance (although it will be certainly that), it's about the thing you and I both want. Decent 4k.

FWIW, I think it will be 12288sp @ ~3700-3780/36000 256-bit (24 or 32GB). 5080 is 10752 @ 2640mhz/30000 (but only needs 22gbps ram) and 16GB.
Even if you OC a 5080, 6080 will likely be the difference between one being 1080p60 and the other 1440p60 at some point not super long from now, and the later ok to up-scale to 4k, the former not from 1080p.
As I've argued and will continue arguing, 5080 is a 1080pRT card that can up-scale to 4k kind-of, but you'll still likely need FG with high settings. I think for $1000 (actually way more than that usually) it's absurd.
The fact they've tricked people into believing it's better than that is amazing. People are about to get incredibly burned when the next-gen launches and that depreciates by a good half it's MSRP.
Because the markets are 1080pRT, 1440pRT, and 4kRT. The 9070 xt the first, 4090 the second, and not even a 5090 the last, yet next-gen they will have to fit into each of the current market tiers.
So think about that when 5080 isn't even a 1440pRT card, and will likely get replaced by a 70-class card that is, and a 80-class that can up-scale to 4k and still keep good performance (and a 90 that can do 4k native).

Personally, I would grab a 9070 xt (once the price settles) and a 120+ IPS 1440p monitor. If you feel compelled to upgrade (to 4k) when Rubin/UDNA launch, do that. I'm sure there will be good options then.
I would not be surprised if the prices you will pay for what I am suggesting are the difference in cost of attempting to do it now (with a 4k monitor + 5080) versus doing it then.
Monitors will get better (and cheaper), and the cards that do what you want will be available (and likely hundreds of dollars cheaper than most 5080's right now), as there will competition for that market.
A lot of competition; because many of us want that. You, me, and probably a ton other people on this forum and elsewhere.

Right now, there just isn't good 4k options. Anyone that tells you otherwise truly does not understand the RT situation.
They will keep complaining about games, even more-so after next-gen consoles, but the reality is that's where we're headed and nothing is a great option for longevity, esp for the price, outside a 9070 xt.