Microsoft Commits to Greater Transparency with Windows 11 Features Roadmap

[lexluthermiester]

There also removing local accounts or at least trying harder this time.

No, they are not. There isn't a single competent sysadmin on the planet who will tolerate such a narrow-minded move. This is being done to consumer versions of Windows, specifically the home editions. The Pro versions will still have a method of making a local account. I've already tested it with the latest insiders build. Home is screwed. Pro still has a bypass.

There is too much telemetry built into Windows 11.

That can all be turned off and removed.

 

[b1k3rdude]

Was that a typo by micro$haft, did they mean to say greater obfuscation...

No, they are not. There isn't a single competent sysadmin on the planet who will tolerate such a narrow-minded move. This is being done to consumer versions of Windows, specifically the home editions.

Even though its harder, I believe there are a any number of ways to add local accounts to home edition also.

 

[Ninehell]

Just got forced 24h2 updated and screw over my driver. Thanks microsoft

 

[Rightness_1]

What an awful OS, and what a testament to Microsoft's decline!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Even thought its harder, there are a any number of ways to add local accounts to home edition also.

True. One can always do it after the fact...

 

[Vayra86]

There also removing local accounts or at least trying harder this time.

"We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."

Source

You can still roll back to the prerelease 24H2 that also doesnt have copilot and all that other BS half implemented.

Been saying this for a while now... get out of the update regime or this crap will keep getting worse for you... Get a portable release and save it and then just grab security updates. You dont need feature updates.

 

[medi01]

There is too much telemetry built into Windows 11.

I don't know what is built-in into win10, but after "debloater" my on-battery figure went from 3-5 hours to 7+ hours. (ASUS G15 AMD Advantage Edition)

 

[blinnbanir]

I don't know what is built-in into win10, but after "debloater" my on-battery figure went from 3-5 hours to 7+ hours. (ASUS G15 AMD Advantage Edition)

It is so bad that even the Desktop background is connected to the Internet. It confuses the hell out of my GPU driver about 3 times a day. Windows 10 is being abandoned by MS (No WIFI 7) When has Windows not supported a WIFI standard? They want people on this so they can have their own version of Google. I have an old Windows Game from before Game Pass and every time I refresh or reinstall the OS, I lose access to the files and have to re download them to play a Game I own. If Bazzite can rival Gaming on Wndows it will be better but it is not as smooth as it seems right now vs Windows.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't know what is built-in into win10

The same kind of stuff. Win10 is no better than 11 in that respect, and it's just as easily disabled.

 

[Wirko]

but MS has gone through multiple control panels

So true, and that's one thing about Windows that has been confusing since the beginning of time. Every new Windows had a thoroughly remodeled Control Panel.

But this has turned into yet another General Windows 11 Annoyances thread. We have another thread for that, fat, long, angry and very much alive. This one here is about the Roadmap. The Roadmap doesn't mention any rogue copilots planning to invade Calc. That's good news.

Windows 11 General Discussion

Well I cleaned my main mouse. It was wet. So I used my older mouse for around a week. (mouse in working order with the other operating system i use - no hardware defect) Until today windows 11 pro forced me to unplug the mouse. Windows 11 pro 24h2 still has the issue with USB. As we know...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

The Roadmap doesn't mention any rogue copilots planning to invade Calc. That's good news.

Haha, calc on windows 11 is already slow to launch on my work PC. Sometimes it takes a solid 10 seconds to go from an empty window to one with a number pad in it. If they add Copilot there, we’re looking at an even longer “boot” time.

 

[Vayra86]

When anyone other than big companies like MS creates a software that takes information from you device (whether you like it or now), that's a spyware. When Microsoft does it, it is a "safeware", no problems at all. Just shows the hypocrisy and irony.

Track record comes into play here. Additionally, its all about the customer base.

Microsoft has no vested interest in creating a security or privacy nightmare for anyone. Their entire business floats on data integrity and security. Enterprise will not blink twice if they fail to uphold those values: they will find alternatives.

On the customer end, there is a similar reality. Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

That's the bottom line. That's the context. Microsoft has built a fantastic track record wrt data integrity and security. Meta, Google? Not quite so much. You can run something Linux instead as well... but there is no service behind that, its self managed most of the time, and it certainly isn't as pick-up-and-use as Microsoft's services are.

This is the way Microsoft has taken over the world. Consistency, building trust, and keeping the featureset the market requests. Its what they're good at - and they suck hard at everything else, anytime they want to do something flashy or sexy, it falls flat on its face. This is hands down the most boring company in the world, and people want it to be exactly that.

So certainly there is a difference yes, when Microsoft does it vs anyone else. At the same time, look at the uproar when MS does push a feature that isn't secure, like Recall. It doubly confirms this reality. Microsoft is like banking; it will never be anything else, we won't accept it to be.

 

[cal5582]

Yeah, new outlook is worse than Teams. Every time it updates, it forgets that I want new mails to pop out in a new window, and that I DON’T want it to help me complete my sentences. That second one annoys me so much. Not only does it break my concentration, but how lazy can you be to not even complete your own thoughts or type your own sentences?

you think thats bad try new outlook on mac.
they took out the ability to view public folders. no real solution, just removed it entirely.

Track record comes into play here. Additionally, its all about the customer base.

Microsoft has no vested interest in creating a security or privacy nightmare for anyone. Their entire business floats on data integrity and security. Enterprise will not blink twice if they fail to uphold those values: they will find alternatives.

On the customer end, there is a similar reality. Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

That's the bottom line. That's the context. Microsoft has built a fantastic track record wrt data integrity and security. Meta, Google? Not quite so much. You can run something Linux instead as well... but there is no service behind that, its self managed most of the time, and it certainly isn't as pick-up-and-use as Microsoft's services are.

This is the way Microsoft has taken over the world. Consistency, building trust, and keeping the featureset the market requests. Its what they're good at - and they suck hard at everything else, anytime they want to do something flashy or sexy, it falls flat on its face. This is hands down the most boring company in the world, and people want it to be exactly that.

So certainly there is a difference yes, when Microsoft does it vs anyone else. At the same time, look at the uproar when MS does push a feature that isn't secure, like Recall. It doubly confirms this reality. Microsoft is like banking; it will never be anything else, we won't accept it to be.

i trust microsoft like i trust gas station sushi. yeah its still food. yeah im probably going to regret it about an hour after committing to it.

You can still roll back to the prerelease 24H2 that also doesnt have copilot and all that other BS half implemented.

Been saying this for a while now... get out of the update regime or this crap will keep getting worse for you... Get a portable release and save it and then just grab security updates. You dont need feature updates.

until those earlier iso's disappear. the totalitarianism is pretty blatant at this point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

Not a chance. The only reason I still use Windows at all is because I have no other option. I would have otherwise dropped it after the end of Win 7.

Because I still have to use Windows, it will run the way I want it. End of story.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Track record comes into play here. Additionally, its all about the customer base.

Microsoft has no vested interest in creating a security or privacy nightmare for anyone. Their entire business floats on data integrity and security. Enterprise will not blink twice if they fail to uphold those values: they will find alternatives.

On the customer end, there is a similar reality. Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

That's the bottom line. That's the context. Microsoft has built a fantastic track record wrt data integrity and security. Meta, Google? Not quite so much. You can run something Linux instead as well... but there is no service behind that, its self managed most of the time, and it certainly isn't as pick-up-and-use as Microsoft's services are.

This is the way Microsoft has taken over the world. Consistency, building trust, and keeping the featureset the market requests. Its what they're good at - and they suck hard at everything else, anytime they want to do something flashy or sexy, it falls flat on its face. This is hands down the most boring company in the world, and people want it to be exactly that.

So certainly there is a difference yes, when Microsoft does it vs anyone else. At the same time, look at the uproar when MS does push a feature that isn't secure, like Recall. It doubly confirms this reality. Microsoft is like banking; it will never be anything else, we won't accept it to be.

Yeah, I was a big MS user 10-15 years ago. I had it all, Windows PC, Windows Phone, Band, Xbox, even tried a handful of Windows RT devices. The Windows RT devices were okay, but they certainly were buggy, and I actually had a couple of them where the finish started flaking off. Windows Phone/Mobile I was a huge fan of, but MS totally screwed up that one. They had a good idea going, but the "One Windows" concept just was too much for mobile hardware at the time. My last device was the Lumia 950, and when it worked it was great. The problem was, it would randomly get hot as hell just sitting there doing nothing. Band was a really cool device that was poorly constructed--I liked it, it just kept falling apart after a few months of use. XboxOne was okay, but it, too, was buggy under the One Windows initiative, and the PS4 was just better.

So yeah, Windows doing what Windows has always done is critical, along with their Office services, because everything else MS does simply lacks in execution and commitment. For this reason I lack confidence in WOA. It’s not a migration like Apple did, it’s just another Windows side project, and if the sales aren’t there, the support won’t be there either.

 

[notoperable]

Sure, can't wait for MS Recall to be mandatory with Copilot+

@Wirko: ever tried to run Wireshark on your Windows? Dont take my word for it, just try it yourself.
And dont be naive, its not about that MS gathers data, its about how and that users have 0 insight,
or control about it - and its went so far that its just ok - you being an example of this attitude. User Data
is value and if you think that MS is NOT doing something with it - then its your right, I on the other hand
don't take their word for granted, MS has kind of obnoxious track record - as any corporation (corpus being
the keyword)

 

[Vayra86]

until those earlier iso's disappear. the totalitarianism is pretty blatant at this point.

You can keep them locally. You can also still find ancient Windows isos.

i trust microsoft like i trust gas station sushi. yeah its still food. yeah im probably going to regret it about an hour after committing to it.

Regret or not, you're clearly not ready to start cooking yourself in the Linux kitchen. This is the core of my argument. We apparently still trust MS enough to have them do work for us. Trust is high enough to do lots of (mission critical) stuff on a Windows PC.

 

[Wirko]

@Wirko: ever tried to run Wireshark on your Windows? Dont take my word for it, just try it yourself.
And dont be naive, its not about that MS gathers data, its about how and that users have 0 insight,
or control about it - and its went so far that its just ok - you being an example of this attitude. User Data
is value and if you think that MS is NOT doing something with it - then its your right, I on the other hand
don't take their word for granted, MS has kind of obnoxious track record - as any corporation (corpus being
the keyword)

I don't even disagree. I'm on Windows 7 and no, it doesn't belong to the good old times when Windows very nicely asked me if I wanted to send an app crash report to the mothership, and gave me the option to see what's in the report beforehand. Sure, that wasn't a proof that the OS wasn't sending other stuff but MS's attitude was a lot different then.

However, this thread is (supposed to be) about the "roadmap". Do we need to fear the roadmap?

 

[notoperable]

Every roadmap from Microsoft has a comparable validity to a random North Korean business plan. They can't even make a decent Terminal Emulator with their own tools, so- yeah, I kind of worry when I see roadmaps from them - I wish there will be a day when an bin-compatible alternative arrives without the M$ cancerous growth around it. There's been efforts but they all failed, and the Win32 Ntoskrnl blackbox monopoly is continues. M$ controls the whole techstack, own GitHub and ''love" OSS, meaning they started poison OSS projects with their "openess" - and nobody gives a shit.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

You can keep them locally. You can also still find ancient Windows isos.


Regret or not, you're clearly not ready to start cooking yourself in the Linux kitchen. This is the core of my argument. We apparently still trust MS enough to have them do work for us. Trust is high enough to do lots of (mission critical) stuff on a Windows PC.

I have most of the old Windows ISOs on a backup drive, dating back to Windows 2k and Windows Me. I also have physical copies of Win 95 and Windows 3.1 on floppies.

As far as trust goes, it's not all that high from me. I don't use Windows personally anymore, so whatever they get is just the "corporate edition" of Darmok. When I had a gaming PC, all it did was run Steam from a local Windows account. I even made Firefox the primary browser.