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[iSpeakVeryWell]

There would have to be a metric ton of errors going on for that much bandwidth degradation to happen.

Stock + FT beating 2800MHz without fast timing by a wide margin, something's not right. I'd be curious to see the score of stock, and than 2600 and than 2700.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

"I don't like the idea of sitting in blazing fast metal boxes that work with explosions. Horses are much safer." See what I mean?

But horses still are far superior to cars, they have autopilot that works but not for long ^^
And about that in last 3 weeks my whole understanding about GPU and a lot other components from pc market has beed updating amd it is a Little bit overwhelming. About horses and cars, you forgot to mention that the explosion is from the processed dead animals
And they've had a Little bit more Time than 3 weeks to change their minds ^^
(ps sometimes You don't need spark to ignite You just need pressure )

 

[AusWolf]

But horses still are far superior to cars, they have autopilot that works but not for long ^^
And about that in last 3 weeks my whole understanding about GPU and a lot other components from pc market has beed updating amd it is a Little bit overwhelming. About horses and cars, you forgot to mention that the explosion is from the processed dead animals
And they've had a Little bit more Time than 3 weeks to change their minds ^^
(ps sometimes You don't need spark to ignite You just need pressure )

You convinced me. I'm gonna sell all my tech, quit my job and go live in a cave eating roots and berries.

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

Then it's probably heat soak from the GPU like you said, or less interaction between the GPU and VRAM like I said, or a combination of both.

I made another test, while memory was at 82°C, I downclocked from 2750MHz to stock 2518MHz and also turned off Fast Timing and memory stayed the exact same, which I will admit, took me by surprise.

- 2518MHz Fast Timing Off -> 82°C
- 2820MHz Fast Timing On -> 82°C

That was not expected.

 

[AusWolf]

I made another test, while memory was at 82°C, I downclocked from 2750MHz to stock 2518MHz and also turned off Fast Timing and memory stayed the exact same, which I will admit, took me by surprise.

- 2518MHz Fast Timing Off -> 82°C
- 2820MHz Fast Timing On -> 82°C

That was not expected.

Wow! Heat soak it is, then.

I guess it proves that the VRAM on the cards isn't hot because it's pushed to the limits, far from it.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

I made another test, while memory was at 82°C, I downclocked from 2750MHz to stock 2518MHz and also turned off Fast Timing and memory stayed the exact same, which I will admit, took me by surprise.

- 2518MHz Fast Timing Off -> 82°C
- 2820MHz Fast Timing On -> 82°C

That was not expected.

You've got asrock taichi which has one cold plate for core and vram. And You are lucky to get photos of You gpu from techpowerup

ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi OC Review - Excellent Cooling

The ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Taichi features the most powerful cooler of all the models that we've tested so far, resulting in a whisper-quiet gaming experience. It also comes with the highest power limit and biggest factory overclock, which makes it the fastest RX 9070 XT.

www.techpowerup.com

And thanks for testing, cause I was trying to prove that the vram is corelated with gpu temps,
but My idea of how to test it was flawed (almost stupid ) .
I've got gigabyte gaming oc which has vapor chamber that covers vram and gpu core.

Edit1 I love techpowerup reviews of gpu, it is so nice to look up what is there inside gpu

 

[spacer00ster]

AMD RX 9070 XT Update: Transition to Samsung GDDR6 Memory for Improved Thermal Performance

The AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT has recently undergone an update involving a change in the type of memory used. Historically, the model has faced criticism for high temperatures associated with its GDDR6 memory, particularly in configurations that adhere closely to the manufacturer's suggested retail...

www.guru3d.com

Does anyone know if PowerColor is doing the same with VRAM for new card batches?

 

[Bloste]

Does anyone know if PowerColor is doing the same with VRAM for new card batches?

We weren’t even sure if our GPUs actually had Samsung memory or if it was just an error in GPU-Z—at least not until that post on Guru3D. Right now (and likely for the foreseeable future), it seems to be a lottery, much like the overclocking/undervolting capabilities of the card. So far, the only three cards we’ve seen with Samsung memory are from Sapphire, but that could very well be just a coincidence.

 

[SirKeldon]

Does anyone know if PowerColor is doing the same with VRAM for new card batches?

Even the news linked by @droopyRO mentions that 'Sapphire, XFX, and GIGABYTE have already integrated Samsung's GDDR6 into their custom variants.' So far, only the newest Sapphire owners here have reported seeing it. Based on the data we're collecting, if these batches are indeed coming worldwide, it’ll likely take a few more months before they become common, or adopted by other manufacturers beyond the ones mentioned in the article. Just my humble opinion here.

 

[droopyRO]

I'm guessing the same, they will try to get rid of the Hynix stocks first. Then bump the prices a little and sell the Samsung ones.
Also AMD mentioned in that article that they will not differenciate between the Hynix and Samsung ones, so as said above, it will be a lottery.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm guessing the same, they will try to get rid of the Hynix stocks first. Then bump the prices a little and sell the Samsung ones.
Also AMD mentioned in that article that they will not differenciate between the Hynix and Samsung ones, so as said above, it will be a lottery.

The bigger question is, why should we differentiate between them? Samsung seems to run cooler. So what? It's not like there's any meaningful difference between them.

As far as I'm concerned, this could also just be down to sensor placement, or reading errors.

 

[Event Horizon]

New driver (25.4.1) comes with FSR 4.0.1 and expanded FSR 4 whitelist. Optiscaler will also use this newer version. It's strange that AMD has not updated their supported games list here, or maybe it's because the driver isn't WHQL.

 

[droopyRO]

why should we differentiate between them?

Because we pay the same price for a product that is inferior to another of the same kind from the same manufacturer

Ech I've bought this card a little bit to early -.- I should have waited,

I am still in the return window. Never in my life was as undecided as i am now regarding a piece of hardware. Keep the "old" RTX 4070 or the new RX 9070, it's like putting the pros and cons in a pair of scales, and they are perfectly even

 

[Kwadratowicz]

Because we pay the same price for a product that is inferior to another of the same kind from the same manufacturer

And that's why for buying for example ssd this days You need to go to techpowerup database and search if the thing You looked is the same that was sold originally and was benchmarked at the launch, cause this greedy corporations are making "upgrades" on more and more stuff..., and sometimes You can get not what You've payed for, cause of that.

First from the list https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/samsung-990-pro-1-tb.d861
"Multiple hardware versions found.
Performance could vary due to unannounced flash/controller changes."

Edit1 Ech I've bought this card a little bit to early -.- I should have waited, gtx 1050 was good enough to play space dwarfs .
Still I like it
Edit2 It's problem cause of the corporations are not transparent with what hardware parts they put together,
And I was looking for the heatsinks of the 9070xt series, and in case of Acer and Asus I did not found the coldplate graphics in their info on sites. Without reviewers We would be really in the dark with what the hell is that thing that I'm gonna put into my PC.

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

So, Samsung will save the day if I understood correctly? I find it hard to believe. Any benchmark available yet?

 

[TSiAhmat]

maybe dumb question but who decides were the temperature measurement thingy is placed? AMD, the Vram Manufacture or a combination of them both. (Or is there some industrial standard)

 

[Kwadratowicz]

I've reviewed 10 pages of Our conversation, and from 80C to 92C is max for vram for 9070XT,
and from 80C to 88C is on 9070 raported by Us.
Tomorrow I will revise next 10 pages, ps interesting thing is that on the same model samsung had 80C raported vs hynix had 88 raported, but it could be a fluke cause of case, fan setup and other things, cause I've seen on Mine which has hynix 84C, but I like to have a lot of airflow, and headache from sound of fans .
Edit 1 If I remember correctly Hynix is standard for form, so everything that I've written in this post could be false .

 

[AusWolf]

Because we pay the same price for a product that is inferior to another of the same kind from the same manufacturer

Is it really inferior, though?

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

I've reviewed 10 pages of Our conversation, and from 80C to 92C is max for vram for 9070XT,
and from 80C to 88C is on 9070 raported by Us.
Tomorrow I will revise next 10 pages, ps interesting thing is that on the same model samsung had 80C raported vs hynix had 88 raported, but it could be a fluke cause of case, fan setup and other things, cause I've seen on Mine which has hynix 84C, but I like to have a lot of airflow, and headache from sound of fans .

It may be a fun thing to do, but in the end it wont serve any purpose because all those temps reported are not coming from one single controlled environment.

We all have different ambient temperature, different settings, different means to collect the data, different case/airflow and different ways to stress our GPU.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

It may be a fun thing to do, but in the end it wont serve any purpose because all those temps reported are not coming from one single controlled environment.

We all have different ambient temperature, different settings, different means to collect the data, different case/airflow and different ways to stress our GPU.

I forgot that hynix is as standard writen in the form, so it has another weak point -.- So more data to gather... and I need to start from the beginning.

 

[droopyRO]

Is it really inferior, though?

Regarding the reported temperature, yes. Longevity, stability, performance, that we will find out in the years to come

 

[rusty caterpillar]

The question isn't whether Hynix chips run hot or not - we've already established that they do. The question is whether it's actually a problem or not.

Are not a problem. You see, I prayed to the Gods of Hynix and to the Gods of Electronics to find the answer, the truth, and it was cloudy... after my prayer and my question to the Gods the sun disperse trough the clouds and let light fall over me, I kneel again and with tremor I lit a candle and... a thunder like voice said "Hynix chips will prevail and no scorching will harm them!". I was shaken and I wanted to leave but than I noticed the candle I lit earlier was off now, I thought... I guess is a bit windy today.

 

[Fluffmeister]

I hope cards with Samsung VRAM will be rare, so my resale value will be higher!

Although ironically it might be the other way around.

 

[AusWolf]

Are not a problem. You see, I prayed to the Gods of Hynix and to the Gods of Electronics to find the answer, the truth, and it was cloudy... after my prayer and my question to the Gods the sun disperse trough the clouds and let light fall over me, I kneel again and with tremor I lit a candle and... a thunder like voice said "Hynix chips will prevail and no scorching will harm them!". I was shaken and I wanted to leave but than I noticed the candle I lit earlier was off now, I thought... I guess is a bit windy today.

No need for that snark, man.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

That's exactly what I think. There is no reason to panic until there is a reason to panic.

But than is too late even for that, the screen is black or artifacting, fans spins at max and no signal. Or we have image but code 43 and no presence your GPU in Device Manager.
Other AIB or the same, but definitely another money.

Like in this case:

"Nvidia thing" Really? that's how a GPU dies NVD or AMD.

Location of the Panic sensor is at TJ or TC ??

1.Did you ever asked yourself why are present layers of textolite, copper, ceramics in PCB designs? Not even curious?
1.a Do you really think they went to that extent to design a sandwich of different layers of materials because heat is in any shape or form is good for electrical components, and those components can run at 90-100C for long period of time without getting degraded or frying?
Yes those layers have other roles to but, none of those deny the role of thermal regulation.
We know GDDR6 thermal resistance is high from own SK Hynix statements




In this context like in others on this thread, taking in consideration that this data was available on TPU or other websites your constant question : "What are considered VRAM high temps for 9070XT" is a valid or a troll question but IMO, certainly lack of knowledge, and the bad part is that you keep insisting on it.