Intel Single-core Silverthorne to Sport HyperThreading (HT)

malware · Feb 4, 2008

Intel has spilled a few more details about Silverthorne, its upcoming 45nm processor for UMPCs (Ultra-Mobile PC) and mobile internet devices (MIDs). Silverthorne was developed from the ground up for low-power devices, and Intel said today that the chip will consume no more than 2W of power and support HyperThreading (HT) technology. This means that although the Silverthorne is a single-core chip, it will appear to the host device as a two-core chip. It's unlikely to deliver the same performance boost that adding a second true core does, but it will deliver a significant speed improvement over the single-core parts that have been used in UMPCs to date. Intel didn't say how fast Silverthorne will run, but it did claim the design will scale to deliver 2GHz clock speeds with a 1W power consumption "some time in the future". Silverthorne will be paired with the 'Paulsbo' integrated chipset to form 'Menlow', Intel's next-gen UMPC platform. They're all expected to come to market in the April/May timeframe.

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Esse · Feb 4, 2008

Woah 2 whole watts!

I was impressed with my E8200 at 27watts

Mussels · Feb 4, 2008

me likey this CPU!

thats one hell of a CPU for a laptop, or even a media PC (that CPU will easily be enough for HD media)

Deleted member 3 · Feb 4, 2008

Mussels said:
me likey this CPU!

thats one hell of a CPU for a laptop, or even a media PC (that CPU will easily be enough for HD media)

How can you tell? Nothing is stated about performance.

Mussels · Feb 4, 2008

DanTheBanjoman said:
How can you tell? Nothing is stated about performance.

i'm assuming its about the same as a single core core 2.

I'm optimistic about performance, because intel just havent gone backwards since the release of the core architecture

Deleted member 3 · Feb 4, 2008

Mussels said:
i'm assuming its about the same as a single core core 2.

I'm optimistic about performance, because intel just havent gone backwards since the release of the core architecture

malware said:
Silverthorne was developed from the ground up for low-power devices, and Intel said today that the chip will consume no more than 2W of power and support HyperThreading (HT) technology.

Interesting assumption.
Assume for a minute it is as fast as a Core2 (single thread) at a 2W TDP. How is there a market left for Core2 then? They'd just glue 16 of these together for 32W and have a killer CPU.

I think we should look at VIA for a reference of low power performance.

Mussels · Feb 4, 2008

DanTheBanjoman said:
Interesting assumption.
Assume for a minute it is as fast as a Core2 (single thread) at a 2W TDP. How is there a market left for Core2 then? They'd just glue 16 of these together for 32W and have a killer CPU.

I think we should look at VIA for a reference of low power performance.

16 would be sahweet! low GHz would be the killer there, but i'd so buy one.

My reasoning was based that i can run 720p media from a 2.2Ghz P4 (478, no HT)
No matter what, this thing with HT will be faster, and a hella more efficient power wise.

Media PC + uber low power use = WIN

btarunr · Feb 4, 2008

Firstly is this even based on the Core microarch.? When '2W' hit me, the first thing that came to my mind was those 'high-end' ARM's :laugh:

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That said. Well, even a 2.0 GHz Netburst CPU could handle HD Video content. So I'm sure this could go head on against the latest C7 from VIA. Maybe not for entertainment applications but more so for embedded solutions and the processor could come in BGA package.

Morgoth · Feb 4, 2008

yes HT is back from its grave! and soon wil dominate the world

Mussels · Feb 4, 2008

Morgoth said:
yes HT is back from its grave! and soon wil dominate the world

i remember hearing about an octa core with HT.... :rockout:

Morgoth · Feb 4, 2008

all nehalem products get HT / MTT , Dual, Qoad, Octo

Luke · Feb 5, 2008

One of these would be good for my netbox

btarunr · Feb 5, 2008

Actually it looks a perfect Mom-Dad-webcam PC chip.

Ripper3 · Feb 5, 2008

DanTheBanjoman said:
Interesting assumption.
Assume for a minute it is as fast as a Core2 (single thread) at a 2W TDP. How is there a market left for Core2 then? They'd just glue 16 of these together for 32W and have a killer CPU.

I think we should look at VIA for a reference of low power performance.

Yeah, and Intel would be worried, why?
They could use this as an excuse to push a new CPU socket, chipset and whole new CPU onto everyone.
Assuming this is a cheap processor to create (to be low powered, I'd guess it's got smaller die size, small process, etc.), Intel could easily add a bunch together a make a good turn over, from selling the same processor, slightly modified for its purpose.
Want it in a smart phone? Lower the speed, cut some cache, got yourself an efficient, fast, low powered CPU.
Want it in a UMPC? Don't bother changing a thing, even simpler.
Want it in a laptop? Make it a quad (at 2W, I think they can easily make a quad fit into the thermal specs of a light laptop, let alone a larger laptop).
Want it in a desktop? Make it into a 16-core CPU, and up the speed.

Still, performance probably won't be nearing Core Solo, but it would be good if it did.
Well, can't complain, a gigahertz per watt is mighty fine.

Mussels · Feb 5, 2008

Ripper3 said:
Yeah, and Intel would be worried, why?
They could use this as an excuse to push a new CPU socket, chipset and whole new CPU onto everyone.
Assuming this is a cheap processor to create (to be low powered, I'd guess it's got smaller die size, small process, etc.), Intel could easily add a bunch together a make a good turn over, from selling the same processor, slightly modified for its purpose.
Want it in a smart phone? Lower the speed, cut some cache, got yourself an efficient, fast, low powered CPU.
Want it in a UMPC? Don't bother changing a thing, even simpler.
Want it in a laptop? Make it a quad (at 2W, I think they can easily make a quad fit into the thermal specs of a light laptop, let alone a larger laptop).
Want it in a desktop? Make it into a 16-core CPU, and up the speed.

Still, performance probably won't be nearing Core Solo, but it would be good if it did.
Well, can't complain, a gigahertz per watt is mighty fine.

Hyperthreading is the key here, even if the CPU doesnt have a huge amount of power, hyperthreading is what made the P4 good.

Disparia · Feb 5, 2008

Morgoth said:
all nehalem products get HT / MTT , Dual, Qoad, Octo

If nothing else, HT makes for an impressive Task Manager

Ripper3 · Feb 5, 2008

I'd love to get an 8-socket motherboard, and fill it with quad cores, with hyper-threading (if it's possible, of course), and just run a whole bunch of SuperPis, with the task manager open, viewing the processors doing their thing. Probably better than most films out now.

Morgoth · Feb 5, 2008

Jizzler said:
If nothing else, HT makes for an impressive Task Manager

thats the Nehalem-EP (Gainestown) 4 cores + HT/MTT a dual socket xeon cpu

Mussels · Feb 5, 2008

Morgoth said:
thats the Nehalem-EP (Gainestown) 4 cores + HT/MTT a dual socket xeon cpu

even so, i want it.

Morgoth · Feb 5, 2008

i want bloomfield ^^

Mussels · Feb 5, 2008

someone care to list the upcoming intels and their sockets? maybe start a new thread about it, and list the next gen CPU's socket they're for and when they're due to be released? its realy hard to keep track with intel bringing new stuff out all the time.

Morgoth · Feb 5, 2008

i made a topic abouth that a time ago
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=50296&highlight=nehalem

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