All GeForce 8 Cards to Gain PhysX Engine Support Says NVIDIA

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

so i should get 3 graphics cards?

 

[Bundy]

I'm waiting in anticipation because I am CPU limited. All I need is a Phys-x game now...

This point leads to another question - would this improve my 3Dmark06 score? Maybe all the Nividia cards will get better scores, besides people with high performing CPU's?

 

[Mussels]

A lot of people are screwing this up.

The way this works with a single card, is some GPU and ram power is taken for use for Physx calcuations.

In SLI or tri SLI, you can dedicated one card to JUST physx.

This wont help 3dmark or any benchies at all, unless they support physx.

 

[bud951]

lol free pci slot, not
you'll just be taking up another pcie slot and the slot adjacent to it, lol
:shadedshu

yeah, I guess there will need to be space for the 2 slot cooling solutions.

 

[ChillyMyst]

I think I see what your on about EascoastHandle.

Im concerned as well how NVIDIA is going to change the AgeiA PhySX from a hardware unit to a software unit and what kind of repercussions that that could provide us. Personally I believe that if this does become just a piece of software that it may just end up being a rival to HAVOC physics

u dont get it, this is just converting the current PhySX instructions so they run thru the gf8 seirse of gpu's insted of on a detocated card, i saw this coming, now if nvidia where more like amd is we would probbly see this become avalable for other hardware vendors to support, such as intel and ati, giving nvidia the advantege since they are the ones who made it and leaving any other companys to play catchup, but meh, we will see a solution for this from AMDTI eventuly im sure.

see any x1k card or newer can be used as a PPU given the games engine is writen to support it, but because Havoc stoped dev on GPU Phsyix we are stuck without any wide range support for gpu as a ppu currently.

the only thing i can say is nvidia better offer pci-e 1x videocards cheap that can be used as a ppu, and if they are smart they will allow them to work along side amd/ati and intel videocards running as a pure ppu.

 

[Mussels]

the only thing i can say is nvidia better offer pci-e 1x videocards cheap that can be used as a ppu, and if they are smart they will allow them to work along side amd/ati and intel videocards running as a pure ppu.

I like this idea. Essentially its purely a PPU card, but with a DVI port as well

 

[ChillyMyst]

well when not being used for gaming it could be used for a 2nd display or 2 i guess,

 

[xfire]

Why arent the 9x series being supported?
I guess people who have a 8x card with extra x16 slot who might buy the 9x card will keep this in the second slot and use it as PPU.

 

[ChillyMyst]

Why arent the 9x series being supported?
I guess people who have a 8x card with extra x16 slot who might buy the 9x card will keep this in the second slot and use it as PPU.

*shakes head*

any card gf8 and up will be supported learn to read/think/comprehind.

older chips didnt support their programability system needed to run as a ppu, its also why u couldnt run folding at home on them, they just didnt have the shader power to do the job.

 

[bud951]

Why arent the 9x series being supported?
I guess people who have a 8x card with extra x16 slot who might buy the 9x card will keep this in the second slot and use it as PPU.

Dumb Ass

 

[ChillyMyst]

exectly my thoughts bud951, this is the kinda person i deal with as a tech......

 

[Mussels]

sigh. not another bashing of a failed mind...

people do come on here tired/drunk/etc.

 

[xfire]

*shakes head*

any card gf8 and up will be supported learn to read/think/comprehind.

older chips didnt support their programability system needed to run as a ppu, its also why u couldnt run folding at home on them, they just didnt have the shader power to do the job.

Since the 9x cards are close to release date don't you think they would have mentioned that.
If they really wanted to they could have made it a speciallity of the 9x series, so that people would consider upgrading to 9x series but instead they mentioned only about 8x series. Besides in the computing world one doesn't simply assume stuff like that.

 

[Mussels]

anything that supports CUDA supports Physx. 9x00 series support Cuda. hell, some of them are still G92.

Its 8 series AND UP that supports this.

 

[ChillyMyst]

xfire "you fail it" is all i have to say.....

 

[xfire]

xfire "you fail it" is all i have to say.....

I dont think so. I'm here to learn stuff which I just did

 

[warhammer]

Do we know when the DX11 cards are comingn ;-)

 

[bud951]

I dont think so. I'm here to learn stuff which I just did

Its cool man.. sorry to call you a dumb ass. We all need to learn but that was a pretty dumb question though. Hey, this is a group and we need to help each other out. Where would we be otherwise?

 

[bud951]

exectly my thoughts bud951, this is the kinda person i deal with as a tech......

Man.. you have my sympathy. I couldnt emagine being a tech. I did learn just about all I know about computers in the first year from Dell tech support back in '97. You tech guys really open the doors for newbs.

 

[xfire]

No problem but next time don't just use slang, explain yourself.

 

[newtekie1]

I thought it was common knowledge that a 8500GT was more then $50? You may find a sale or 2 but that's the exception not the rule. Since this is software based, I really don't see it being faster then what the the PPU offered unless it really sucked to begin with. Cuda wont do any performance gain. It will allow more visual effects but the performance "hit" (If any) has yet to be seen.

Yep, because the 8500GT is the lowest end 8 series card there...oh wait...there are all those 8400 series cards aren't there...oh and of course there are $50 8500GTs. Do a little research before posting crap next time(a quick google product search isn't research).

I don't see why you seem to want to keep bringing up that the added physics lowers performance. It doesn't, it lowers framerate. It drastically improves physics performance, and the lowered framerate is because the extra physics objects need to be drawn by the GPU. More things to draw=lower framerate. To call it a performance hit you would have to show me that the same physics being calculated without the dedicated physics processor(be it PPU or GPU) was higher than with a dedicated physics processor.

What you are saying is the equivalant of saying 3Dmark06 run at 1900x1200 4AA 8AF shows a performance hit over 3Dmark06 run at 1024x768 no AA or AF. No, it doesn't show a performance hit, it shows the same performance, just applied to different areas.

 

[Mussels]

Do we know when the DX11 cards are comingn ;-)

since not even one program uses 10.1, i'd say at least a year.

 

[Morgoth]

I'm waiting in anticipation because I am CPU limited. All I need is a Phys-x game now...

This point leads to another question - would this improve my 3Dmark06 score? Maybe all the Nividia cards will get better scores, besides people with high performing CPU's?

no 3dmark06 is Software based pysicx not hardware and it uses havoc
CPU calulating the pysics
as for havoc pysics games CPU calulates the pysics and gpu draws it on screen

 

[surfsk8snow.jah]

I sooo called this;

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=541130&postcount=6

 

[ChillyMyst]

I sooo called this;

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=541130&postcount=6

really i been saying since this whole utterly useless "war" between ati and nvidia for gpu based phsyics started is that whats really needed is a unified phsyics standred, something like d3d and ogl where u can make your program call for what it needs then the drivers translates that to something the hardware can understand/deal with.

this at least going by past acctions of nvidia will endup with phsyx games runnin on their cards, intel will eventuly get cards out that run havoc gpu based phsyics, and amd/ati will endup with their own version.........yet another glide type mess........( i hate glide!!!!)