Confirmed: 9800GT Will Support 3-Way SLI

[choppy]

9800gt IS 8800gt, its the same core just rebranded as 9 series. nvidia taking the piss thats what it is. fudzilla have an article on this up today.

it does make sense from a business perspective, why would they bother with a new product when the old one does well, with a re-badge they up the price and try pass it off as a new product

 

[vega22]

what rebadge it and sell it as new???? what like the 1600 / 1650 pro??

multi gpu boards are the way of the future guys, just get used to it.

 

[candle_86]

for all we know there is more rops locked or somin, ya never know

 

[choppy]

what rebadge it and sell it as new???? what like the 1600 / 1650 pro??

multi gpu boards are the way of the future guys, just get used to it.

9800gt is not multi gpu, your thinking of the 9800x2 or whatever it is.

yes just like ati rebadged theirs, same thing different name, but tbh x1600 to x1650 isnt taking the piss tho, it was a newer version . 8800 to 9800 same product and more expensive IS a pisstake!

 

[Mussels]

People are probably afraid that the 9800GT will just be a 8800GT with 3-way SLI...

thats what everyone keeps ranting about, as if all G92 cores are the same.

for all we know there is more rops locked or somin, ya never know

Me and candle never agree on anything. Take it as a very good idea that we both think the same thing here, there is quite good chances of things being different here. ONLY the core is the same, no mention of ROP's, memory etc yet.

 

[candle_86]

holy shit we agreed on something, this is a milestone or something

 

[btarunr]

9800 GT = 8800 GT + higher clocks + two gold-fingers + DX 10.1 ?

 

[Mussels]

For the people who are saying its just an 8800GT with a new sticker - uhh... this thread is labelled 3 way SLI. SO they *ARE* DEFINATELY changing the card.


Edit: i recall it being said no DX10.1
As for everyone saying 8800GT - dont forget the GTS (G92) - its quite a bit more powerful due to more shaders, and we dont know for sure what this new card will have yet.

 

[choppy]

ONLY the core is the same, no mention of ROP's, memory etc yet.

yes we dont know anything, and yeah im sure we all want a good new product.

im just basing my opinion on what i can see nvidia doing from a business view. atm ati is ontop with their price / performance right? nvidia is losing midmarket dominance. so why spend money on building something new, when they can take their winning 8800gt formula, rebrand it..up the price..everyone thinks it the latest new thing so bam! they make money off something they actually spent very little r&d, get it?

 

[candle_86]

really last i check my 8800GS creams the 3850 and costs the same, 9600GT is comming and 8800GT sits at 3870 price now. Not to mention the 8600GT is very competive with ATI stuff at the sub 100 market, and the 8500 eats the 2600pro and the 8400GS literly dominates the 2400XT so why would Nvidia actully worry?

 

[tkpenalty]

Wow... 6 G92 cores... Just wow.

You are getting confused with the 9800GX2...


9800GT = 8800GT with an extra sli finger....

Unless Nvidia decides to put some DECENT cooling on it (like a full copper cooler without that gay duct thats nickel plated and comes with more heatpipes and a larger fan), and more phases as well as higher clocks, this card is going to be a flop.

Nvidia are letting AMD catch up from what I can see, even if its not intentional...

 

[choppy]

candle where are you? usa?

uk prices are a little different mate

256mb 3850 is £90.
standard 8800gs is £110, oc'd is around £130
512mb 3870 is £130
512mb 8800gt starts at £150

i did say price / performance, there is a difference with just performance itself

 

[Mussels]

check wizzards 8800GS review on the homepage, the card dominates the 3850.

ATI was ontop price/perf for a while (midrange only,for most of it) but now Nv has taken that lead back.


http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=8800GS

<$250 au for a 320MB 8800GS

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=ATI+3850+512MB

$242 for a 512MB 3850, that gets pwned by the GS in benchies.

 

[btarunr]

Likewise, the 8800 GS 768M should outperform the HD3850 512M.

 

[choppy]

yeah i seen the review and i thought 'wow what a wkd card for the price' then i realised the figures (for eg.) with crysis were too good to be true cos they were timedemoed not actual gameplay. theres a difference like what [H] or whatever website it was that voiced their opinion about reviewing gfx cards

 

[candle_86]

well i do good with SP right now lol

 

[ChillyMyst]

Actually G92 is next-gen. G80 was last gen. Why they made some G92 SKUs 8000 series is beyond me. Personally I think they should have just started the 9000 series when the introduction of the G90 cores.

WRONG, thats like saying the 3800 is a totaly new design, when its just a tweaked and shrank 2900 core.......

they arent anything new, nvidia just die shrank the chip and renamed it.....wow thats orignal........same crap nvidiots where giving amd crap for with the 3800 line because its basickly just a slitly reworked/slitly updated shrank 2900.......

9800gt IS 8800gt, its the same core just rebranded as 9 series. nvidia taking the piss thats what it is. fudzilla have an article on this up today.

it does make sense from a business perspective, why would they bother with a new product when the old one does well, with a re-badge they up the price and try pass it off as a new product

probbly slap a larger cooler on it and use the same core as the 8800gt/gts with all its pipes unlocked/working, very likely that they just upp the vcore and use better cooling on the gpu, this has been nvidias tact in the past.

need i remind eveybody of the 6800ultra/7800ultra/7900ultra/exct? they just push the chip to its limmit or neerly so, and cal it a new more powerfull card, common nvidia tactic, im sure the "tweaks" are just some more unlocked pipes........meh i dont really care, i get tired of this every few months them trying to sell me a newer "better" card with "go faster stripes"

screw them, my 8800gt is working fine, and when i replace it, probbly get whatever amd has to offer......i know nvidia isnt gonna fix the driver bugs i and BFG have reported.

 

[Mussels]

stuff

Yeah... but the 'tweaks' worked - the cards often got cooler, faster, and/or smaller.
OFC they didnt do all three, but if they manage one of the above its an improvement.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

You are getting confused with the 9800GX2...


9800GT = 8800GT with an extra sli finger....

Unless Nvidia decides to put some DECENT cooling on it (like a full copper cooler without that gay duct thats nickel plated and comes with more heatpipes and a larger fan), and more phases as well as higher clocks, this card is going to be a flop.

Nvidia are letting AMD catch up from what I can see, even if its not intentional...

maybe they cant do any better?

 

[Tatty_Two]

The G92 core I beleive will only power up to the mid ranged 9800 series, I read that the 9800GTX will be powered by a new core......lets call it G94 because I cant actually remember in the article I read a few weeks ago what it was actually called.

Also, I think you will find that there may be more unlocked pipes or the potential to add more to the existing architecture in the G92 .......the G92 GTS is considerably faster than a 3850 or even a 3870 so for example, if a G92 9800GT came out with another 64pipes plus a GPU voltage of 1.25V stock enabling 900Mhz core speeds, you would be seeing a newgen mid ranged 9800 card faster than the HD3870x2.........is there actually anything wrong in that? sounds OK to me TBH.

But I fully appreciate to a certain extent that is speculation, but lets wait and see before we pass judgment, it has to be faster than the 8800GTS and for a mid ranged card, thats pretty good.........whats the performance difference between the 2900XT and the HD3870???? I dont hear many ATi owners screaming about ATi's last attempts at moving on a generation for what......all of a 5-10% performance increase across the board

Sorry....delete pipes, insert SP's and lets call it G96

 

[btarunr]

lets call it G94 because I cant actually remember in the article I read a few weeks ago what it was actually called.

G94 = GeForce 9600 GT

 

[candle_86]

The G92 core I beleive will only power up to the mid ranged 9800 series, I read that the 9800GTX will be powered by a new core......lets call it G94 because I cant actually remember in the article I read a few weeks ago what it was actually called.

Also, I think you will find that there may be more unlocked pipes or the potential to add more to the existing architecture in the G92 .......the G92 GTS is considerably faster than a 3850 or even a 3870 so for example, if a G92 9800GT came out with another 64pipes plus a GPU voltage of 1.25V stock enabling 900Mhz core speeds, you would be seeing a newgen mid ranged 9800 card faster than the HD3870x2.........is there actually anything wrong in that? sounds OK to me TBH.

But I fully appreciate to a certain extent that is speculation, but lets wait and see before we pass judgment, it has to be faster than the 8800GTS and for a mid ranged card, thats pretty good.........whats the performance difference between the 2900XT and the HD3870???? I dont hear many ATi owners screaming about ATi's last attempts at moving on a generation for what......all of a 5-10% performance increase across the board

thats because ATI can do no wrong remember

 

[Tatty_Two]

thats because ATI can do no wrong remember

Right!......thought I missed something there

 

[newtekie1]

WRONG, thats like saying the 3800 is a totaly new design, when its just a tweaked and shrank 2900 core.......

they arent anything new, nvidia just die shrank the chip and renamed it.....wow thats orignal........same crap nvidiots where giving amd crap for with the 3800 line because its basickly just a slitly reworked/slitly updated shrank 2900.......

I didn't say it was a totally new design. Was the G70 series a totally new design? No, it was a die shrunk and slightly reworked NV40 series. Was it still considered the "Next-Gen" when it came out and given a new numbering series? YES.

Just like the R670(3800 series) is just a die shrunk R600(2900 series), it still got a new numbering series.

At least nVidia actually made the cores better when they did it, and didn't just do a straight die shrink. They changed a lot going from G80 to G92, and I am willing to bet there is a true G90 in the works.

It doesn't have to be totally reworked to be considered "next-gen" or given a totally new naming scheme, BOTH camps have shown that, so don't get all high and mighty bashing one without bashing the other too.

 

[trog100]

my take on this is that the current 8800gt gts and gs range were never meant to be.. they were brought forward and launched under the 8xxx name to take on the ati 3xxx series..

this worked brilliantly.. but leaves nvidia with nothing much left to offer for the new 9xxxx series..

this is also why the lesser 9600 was launched first.. it seemed so good that it left folks expecting way more than they are gonna get from the high end offerings..

but sooner or later the real cards have to be played.. end result some disappointed fans..

if ati have nvidia worried.. its because they have managed to produce roughly the same power for half the fuel cost.. a pretty remarkable achievement however u look at it..

trog