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Creative Unveils X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Series PCI-E Sound Cards

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I will start to be interested when the hardware supports all these fancy audio things + a Physics engine! Now that piece of equipment would have the arguments to find it's way in my CM690!

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The sound card market needs a kick...honestly. Someone get nvidia and AMD to make sound cards already!

I wouldnt mind this sound card as its a PCI-E 1x card.. and btw, non-coloured jacks are a big PIA.
 

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Thos Heradset plugs on the Drive bay look like mini jacks:eek:, I use sennheiser and my headset requires fullsize ,I am not happy they are moving to mini jack size.
 

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Thos Heradset plugs on the Drive bay look like mini jacks:eek:, I use sennheiser and my headset requires fullsize ,I am not happy they are moving to mini jack size.

Get an adapter. 99% of front panel connectors are 1/8" anyway, not to mention portables.
 

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This card looks very much like the asus xonar, in length/overall shape.

Oh and most definately get an adaptor, thats how i've used my sennheisers for the last 5 years (HD-555 and HD-202)
 

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NVidia needs to resurrect the SoundStorm project. If they release an audio accelerator, it would either bury Creative or kick start another competition, which will benefit us users, we'll get great technology at greater prices, if Creative's tech-support stays what it is now, it will spell doom for it as everyone will drop Creative for NVidia.
 

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NVidia needs to resurrect the SoundStorm project. If they release an audio accelerator, it would either bury Creative or kick start another competition, which will benefit us users, we'll get great technology at greater prices, if Creative's tech-support stays what it is now, it will spell doom for it as everyone will drop Creative for NVidia.

I had a weird thought about that the other day, the reason soundstorm was dropped was because it ended up in the Xbox somehow. the Xbox (original) can do dolby digital audio (Which is what made soundstorm so damned special), and we know Nvidia paired up with Microsoft around that time (Nv made the GPU for the original Xbox, so maybe they paired up for soundstorm, but lost the rights when ATI got the deal for the 360?)
 

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NVidia needs to resurrect the SoundStorm project. If they release an audio accelerator, it would either bury Creative or kick start another competition, which will benefit us users, we'll get great technology at greater prices, if Creative's tech-support stays what it is now, it will spell doom for it as everyone will drop Creative for NVidia.

I don't know about that. Nvidia doesn't exactly have a great support record either. We could just end up with twice the crappily supported products on the market.
 

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I had a weird thought about that the other day, the reason soundstorm was dropped was because it ended up in the Xbox somehow. the Xbox (original) can do dolby digital audio (Which is what made soundstorm so damned special), and we know Nvidia paired up with Microsoft around that time (Nv made the GPU for the original Xbox, so maybe they paired up for soundstorm, but lost the rights when ATI got the deal for the 360?)

NVidia used to include this APU with the MCP-T southbridge of the NForce 2 series motherboards. They dropped it because the APU jacked up the manufacturing costs of MCP-T many fold, TSMC was being unreasonable, and that there was a southbridge without the APU called MCP-2, which many users opted for, it was cheap, and most didn't realise it didn't carry the APU. So, that cannibalised SoundStorm in the PC front.

NVidia is filthy rich now, it can very much afford to resurrect SoundStorm for discrete sound-cards ..... or even high-end PC chipsets.
 

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I don't know about that. Nvidia doesn't exactly have a great support record either. We could just end up with twice the crappily supported products on the market.

It's about competition fostering support. If not customer support, at least they'll work harder to see their products don't cause problems. I'm just being optimistic :eek:
 

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I had a weird thought about that the other day, the reason soundstorm was dropped was because it ended up in the Xbox somehow. the Xbox (original) can do dolby digital audio (Which is what made soundstorm so damned special), and we know Nvidia paired up with Microsoft around that time (Nv made the GPU for the original Xbox, so maybe they paired up for soundstorm, but lost the rights when ATI got the deal for the 360?)

naa, nvidia droped soundstorm because it was costing to much to support and added cost to the chipset, and they saw a chance to raise profits by lowering cost.

HD audio/alzia...whatever was already speced out, nvidia saw a chance to "pull a fast one" on people.

And the xbx's video chip is just a gf3 with a die shrink in reality, just as the cpu is really just a p3/p3 celeron, i have a buddy thats got a BETA xbox thats got a 370 socket, he was able to toss in a 1.4gz celron tulitin(impressive perf boost!!!) also was able to up the ram to 512mb (it only had 2 memory slots.......), its a beta unit so its HUGE in comparison to the units they sold(that at the time where considered huge lol)

i have used very consol from that gen, the xbx was the best, the dreamcast would have pwned it had sega not been a bunch of tards and left out dvd playback and an HDD tho......

blah, consols suck.........*hugs his pc*
 

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NVidia used to include this APU with the MCP-T southbridge of the NForce 2 series motherboards. They dropped it because the APU jacked up the manufacturing costs of MCP-T many fold, TSMC was being unreasonable, and that there was a southbridge without the APU called MCP-2, which many users opted for, it was cheap, and most didn't realise it didn't carry the APU. So, that cannibalised SoundStorm in the PC front.

NVidia is filthy rich now, it can very much afford to resurrect SoundStorm for discrete sound-cards ..... or even high-end PC chipsets.

i came up with that theory at about 5am 2 nights ago. i never once claimed it to have facts :D

thanks for the info, and it is a pity it never returned.
 
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beautiful!! and its got optical output right on the card!! :toast:
 

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It's about competition fostering support. If not customer support, at least they'll work harder to see their products don't cause problems. I'm just being optimistic :eek:

there was the mcp and mcp-2 that didnt have sound storm to be more accurate, the -t was the one you wanted if you wanted the APU.

IF nvidia had been smart they would have stuck with the orignal idea and included it on the chipset but also sold the standalone cards they had already designed, i have seen beta pci soundstorm audio cards, little buggy, but what do u expect they where beta hardware with beta driver support.....

wish nvidia would have gone that rout.

I have been hearing that AMD plans to add more DSP fetures to the cpu in the next few gen's, i been getting the impression that they would like to make it so the cpu had detocated hardware APU style support to compliment their HDMI audio thats already on their videochips, if true this could be a boon since it would also allow the use of soundstorm like setup where the external codec be it realtek or cmedia or ADI or whatever was just there as an external enterface
soundstorm was officialy mcp-t+realtek ac97 codec, some boards used cmedia chips with the mcp-t, those acctualy had better audio quility but you had to use drivers from the board maker OR install the audio codecs driver THEN the nvidia soundstorm drivers.

i have owned MANY boards and setup and tested many others, i honestly dont have a problem with any of the current HD audio chipsets in use as long as the drivers are updated properly by the chip maker OR the board maker in the case of ADI chipsets asus and intel use.

but then again most audio today is FAR diffrent from what many old skool comp geeks like us think of when we read/see "onboard sound", back in the day onboard was barly passable for use on uber crappy net machiens it aite cpu power like a mofo and sounded like a stock am/fm radio in a lowist of the low model ford festeveas, horrible horrible stuff.

now today we got MORE cpu power then is needed, and so called ac97/hdaudio codes are acctualy more powerfull in many cases then our high end soundcards of those days, Where this falls down is when you look at the drivers board makers put on the cd that comes with ur shiny new board, i just got a ta770 from biostar(kickass little board) its disk had drivers from b4 the board was even avalable.....i grabbed the current realtek drivers and installed hem and havent found any buggs since, but i know for a fact the older drivers sucked, because my last 2 boards have had realtek audio :p

oh, little note, if you have an OLD system thats using an old cmedia full on sound chip for its onboard and it sounds like crap, check if its the 8738, if so, check out cmedia's forums, i just recently updated the drivers on 2 old systems(1 hp one compaq), they where running 2k, so slaping in more ram and the new drivers made a world of diffrance, the old drivers sounded HORRIBLE, and the 4 and 6ch sound didnt work properly, after installing the new drivers the change is insain, you would honestly think you went from ac97 to sblive.....all from a driver update made for XP on a chip as old as the sblive........(btw, creative dumped the sblive driver support and thats when i stoped buying/using their products, i payed neerly 450usd for the sblive kit i have, sure that was years back, but i also have a cmedia based SIIG card that uses 8738 chip on it, it cost me 30bucks, and its got uptodate drivers.....that WORK......
 

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IIRC, nVidia was also in cohorts with MS during the Vista development days - that's the last time I had heard talk of a possible SoundStorm ressurection. nVidia and Creative were collaborating with MS during early Vista design . . .

I agree, though, we need much better competition in the audio market . . . at least competition has picked up near about 100% over the last 2 years. Sadly, the Auzentech Prelude is kinda looked upon as an extension of Creative's X-Fi line, and neither ASUS, Razer or HT Omega seem to have enough "go get 'em" attitude in the audio market.

Sure, the Xonar proves to be the single biggest threat to Creative - but it's not enough, IMO. Not enough to cause major change.
 

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so a pretty shield and dolby digital is all?
 

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...and PCI-E is all.

not that the xonar isnt there already, as well as the x-fi extreme audio.

Wasnt it creative who said they'd never release a PCI-E card, due to higher latencies?
 
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Finally, they port the CA20K1 to PCI-E. This will own a Auzen X-Fi Prelude.
well. Asus Xonar have been on PCI Express for years now, and has _PROPER_ drivers
creative should *STOP* releasing product they cant make DRIVERS for
given the fact you have to PAY creative for drivers is kinda funny

and this is a copy of Asus D2X

it also have DTS Connect, Dolby Digital Live, PROPER EAX5 support (given the fact creative cant provide EAX in vista)
 

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well. Asus Xonar have been on PCI Express for years now, and has _PROPER_ drivers

...which has known compatibility issues with certain NForce motherboards. :p

creative should *STOP* releasing product they cant make DRIVERS for
given the fact you have to PAY creative for drivers is kinda funny

That's why they made a truce with Daniel Kamakawi, a person who can. So Creative hardware + 3rd party drivers are quite a combination.

Let's not get into "oh yeah?.....blah blah blah". Let's acknowledge its a news thread and everything surrounds the product that's making news.
 

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not that the xonar isnt there already, as well as the x-fi extreme audio.

Wasnt it creative who said they'd never release a PCI-E card, due to higher latencies?

They said that probably because at that time they didn't have an audio processor that could communicate using PCI-E, and that then if they came up with a card using the CA20K1, they'd probably have to use a bus-translation logic (which is known to step up latencies). I'm clueless about what's under that EMI shield so don't know if they're using CA20K1 + bridge or not, so can't really say if they went back on their word.
 
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...which has known compatibility issues with certain NForce motherboards. :p



That's why they made a truce with Daniel Kamakawi, a person who can. So Creative hardware + 3rd party drivers are quite a combination.

Let's not get into "oh yeah?.....blah blah blah". Let's acknowledge its a news thread and everything surrounds the product that's making news.
funny even creative has nforce problems
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=1480
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Interesting this card looks good, but to be totaly honest I'm looking at the ASUS Xonar DX (the D2 and D2X little brother)

@ wiak ...

They emulate upto EAX5, not hardware supported... Drivers intercept EAX calls and emulates it to within a certain degree; slight differences and varied support in games.

Still thats quite a feat when creative ask anyone but X-Fi users to pay for a piece of code to intercept and translate EAX calls :(
 
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