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Haha. Stupid Gigabyte. Everything I've ever owned made by them was crap, and everything from Asus has been like a dream. Serves Gigabyte right for slandering a competitor with false information.
i worked in a shop for years that was about 50% gb boards used in builds/upgrades, at one point we totaly dumped them because the quility and support went to shit, its still not as good as it once was, stilll have had more issues dealing with asus, asus has their own brand of "support" if you report a spicific problem with a board, one thats non critical(board still posts) then you WILL get the SAME BOARD BACK, they will clean it up, stick it in a box and ship it back.
videocards support has been excelent for me though.
I on the contrary everything i owned and friends too from Asus has been the worst hardware ever faulty from factory or got faulty along the way sometimes pretty fast 1 month and dead and this applies for video cards and motherboards i don't know about other things Asus does how does it hold in time.
It's funny but even online sites sell everything from gainward,evga,gigabyte...etc. but they always get stuck with some asus videocards wich no one wants to buy because they are both more expensive and have a very bad reputation for being faulty or getting faulty but this is not the case here because we talk about motherboards still very strange at least in my country.
The most frequented forums in my country (romania) talk very badly about Asus products and are avoided like plague i'm suprised there are happy people here but it must depend on country maybe we get the bad stuff from asus i don't know.
I have 1 gigabyte motherboard and 1 video card from them and had a lot of them in the past and had no problems but for my gaming machine i use DFI motherboard wich uses quality components for long before gigabyte and asus raised the bar.
In my opinion Asus is a scam with the marketing hype and always been and gigabyte has a good claim here except for the most expensive motherboards asus has the rest are questionable in terms of quality from my experience and what i've read on forums.
They wil loose the lawsuit and gigabyte will rubb it in they'r face even more unless asus can bankrupt them but i don't think they can.
yeah, acctualy i know some romanians and they all say that the boards have a bad rep on romanian tech forums, and as such they wont use them even after they moved to the states(many still visit the romanian forums because they feel more at home.....)
Gigabyte has no good claim here, they are just as gualty as ASUS, all this is is marketting hype for Gigabyte. ASUS boards are very well built, I've only had one fail on me, and I have used ASUS boards for years. The best part is their customer service is great, unlike Gigabyte which has refused my an RMA multiple times in the past on the first try.
Both companies put out quality boards, but I refuse to do any business with Gigabyte because they are just not a reputable company. They have a great product, but the company itself is shit. This situation is a perfect example. There is the mature way to provide the information and the immature way. Gigabyte, as usually, chose the immature way.
then u been lucky, i have worked at 6+ shops where asus boards where far from the most reliable choices, and im not talking about just the low end boards most of the boards we used where mid range stuff, on some lines of boards we had more returnes of asus and gb boards then we had of ECS/pcchips boards, dispite selling fare more of spcific models of ecs/pcchips boards(sis chipsets rock on ecs/pcchips boards)
Oook. Now 1st of all.. that is not true... I dont know what forums you visit regularly. But except for a handful of bickering guys who think they know a lot about hardware I see nobody complaining about quallity issues with Asus products.
I work at a PC service in Romania and I can tell you for a fact that Asus boards are the last ones that crap out on my clients. In fact if I where to make a statistic most ppl go for Asus.
Most ppl's pc's crap out because of cheap and/or inadequate PSU's. they think that "expensive ones" are an unjustified extravangance no matter how much I try to persuade them about efficiency, stabillity and PFC..
Also low end motherboards tend to be less stable and durable regardless of brand.
first your psu point is a true and very valid one, but your "asus rocks" and claiming that everybody in romania loves them, well see above, i know a good number of romanians from my many years as an online gamer, never once have any of them had a kind word about asus.....
Thats very likely as Gigabyte could easily turn the case against ASUS, with the amount of somewhat illegal marketing practises that they do :shadedshu
Btw... Gigabyte made people rethink where the MATX boards lie to enthusiasts
As I said do not judge a company on their performance of something that was more than half a decade ago. Most companies like ASUS, gigabyte etcetera now offer entirely different product quality (higher), in contrast to a few years ago. See the first LGA775 Gigabyte boards were crap. Now? They are good. Same can be said for ASUS, both manufacturers using the normal choke beads, and electrolytic capacitors. They don't do that today much. To put it simply, a few years ago boards were blowing up everywhere. It doesnt mean they do now.
MATX... doesnt really mean crappier performance lol. G33 is a GMA + P35 anyway...
this may be true for intel systems, for amd systems it was biostars tseirse matx boards that got alot of overclockers attention, great prices, insain ammount of bios tweak options, good/great hardware used to build them.
check out reviews of matx biostar tseirse boards, u will be suprised.
id like to See ECS, Biostar, and Epox release something Worthwhile in the Top End.
biostar has some nice "top end" boards, check out their ddr3 775 board, i got a buddy whos using one(got the ram free from a memory maker rep, they want to sell his company alot of ram for server builds and upgrades....so they kiss alot of ass) he got the board when he went to neweggs store in cali(was on buisness trip) and saw one of them on the counter all messed up (somebody had sat on the box then tryed to return it as "doa" rofl.) well he asked to see an un-damnaged one, and since he really liked his tforce 590sli(thanks to my eurging) he tryed it, hes loving it, 3.9 on his quadcore with a freezer7.....not bad since hes still learning the ins and outs of intel tweaking in his free time.
You do know EPoX went bust, right?
ECS.... don't make me laugh...
And Biostar is a two bit tiny little company that just doesn't seem to be able to get any bigger.
DFI might have a chance if they'd use their brains and realise that there are more people out there than the 0.001% they target at the moment.
Abit is likely to have big problems this year and they're going entry level anyhow.
MSI, well, they're not paying attention at all, they've said that their goal for this year is to copy Asus and Gigabyte.
So who does that leave? Foxconn? Good luck...
Albatron, well, they're just too small again.
I miss the days when the compeition was full of companies, I miss the inventiveness of compnaies like AOpen and Chaintech, but I guess we won't see these companies returning.
Anyhow, this is way off topic.
Whatever happens in this case, the end users are not going to be the winners, that's all I know.
epox team went and started a new company Supox, im very intrested in their 790fx board, best layout of any 790fx board i have seen yet......wish it was avalable to buy.......
foxconn: they make good boards and have been around forever, they are new in marketing their own motherboards tho, check back in the early days of pc's, many connectors where made by foxconn, and infact foxconns made boards/pcb's for many of the top makers for years.
little note on "to small"
biostar,foxconn,ecs/pcchips, and fic(dont sell their own boards), are top OEM makers of pcb's and even full on boards for companys like gigabyte,asus,dfi, hell jetway even makes boards for some top companys, and i bet at least 1/2 you have never heard their name.....
biostar has made top end boards, just not gotten the reviews they needed to captilize on them, their 570/590 boards for example where/are kickass little units, great extra packege, there top end intel boards gaining a good rep in the "underground" mostly because its not gotten any reviews by high end sites.
biostar makes great boards, and infact has been the OEM behind some of dfi's great "hits" main problem with the dfi boards is that dfi trys to tweak the bios a little to far for that extra bit of bench perf...causing problems with some componants.
and epox is dead, mostly due to poor managment, supox hopefully takes off eventuly, their boards layouts look steller, infact far better then most of the top names stuff......
